3* Crafting Rotations

So I am one of those people that believes in sharing of info and I really appreciated the work of another poster here in helping out the community by posting a frame for what was working for 3* HQ. Putting this here in the hopes that other crafters can help refine this rotation down to something so that we can all have an equal chance at making these new items and sharing in the wealth.

Need HQ materials to start at around 1k quality.

Then: CZ > IQ > SH2 > PbP x2 > Basic Touch/Hasty Touch (Depending on your CP)> Masters Mend II (@20/80 Dura)> Refresh CZ when it wears off (Should be around this time) > SH2 > Basic Touch/Hasty Touch (again depending on how CP is) > Start finishing rotation @ 40 Durability left > SH > GS >Ing2 > Innovation (if you have CP) > Byregot's Blessing > CSII x3.

One thing to note is that for the finishing rotation of SH/GS/Ing2/Byregots you need 110 cp.

Any additions to this would be wonderful and I hope this helps people^^

EDIT: Originally made by Lyrinn, then later removed by them. I re-posted so the information can live.

I used this rotation earlier and it only got me to around 84% hq (8 iq stacks). Might want to go ahead and use a couple of those hasty's on a good proc rather than ToT. I wish I could fit in a waste not or 2 in there to get a couple more inner quiet stacks but it seems 388 cp isn't enough unless you are really lucky with procs.

Please let us know ur craftsmanship that u have for cs2x3 to work to eventually establish a minimum threshold. Control/cp arent as imprtant right now with the hasty touch method.

And what do u mean "depending on ur cp"? Use ToT when up and use basic touch when over 100 cp but hasty when 100i cp (as an example).

Will definitely be trying this rotation out this week when I have to make the Robe of Healing for one of my FC mates. Thanks!

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Originally Posted by captain_crunch

I used this rotation earlier and it only got me to around 84% hq (8 iq stacks). Might want to go ahead and use a couple of those hasty's on a good proc rather than ToT. I wish I could fit in a waste not or 2 in there to get a couple more inner quiet stacks but it seems 388 cp isn't enough unless you are really lucky with procs.

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That's because OP left out a couple of tips that lets you get around that, but I suppose that's what happens when someone decides to copy/paste without giving credit.

If you want more details, feel free to /tell me in-game. I refuse to post anything helpful again on these forums if someone is just going to steal my work.

I agree with you lyrinn. I figured out the extra steps, and i've been hq'ing with your rotation. You can move some of the rotation forward or backward to allow a hit on good or excellent touches. Also you can do the same with byregots on good or excellent and hold it off until last second after 1 careful sytha has passed. I've HQ'd every armor piece and even hq'd around 4 stacks of terminus putty. I unlocked all the masterbooks/crafting tools/etc so, it's good not to have to depend on bought hq matts when you can make them yourself.

You can also throw in another Ingenuity (I, not II) or Innovation (not saying where, /tell if interested), CP allowing, and squeeze out even more quality. This was something I was playing around with until the OP rudely accused me of being selfish - because if I was selfish, I would've shared instead of keeping it a secret like 99% of all the other high crafters, amirite? - and decided to repost.

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

You can also throw in another Ingenuity (I, not II) or Innovation (not saying where, /tell if interested), CP allowing, and squeeze out even more quality. This was something I was playing around with until the OP rudely accused me of being selfish - because if I was selfish, I would've shared instead of keeping it a secret like 99% of all the other high crafters, amirite? - and decided to repost.

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Yet again you decide to take insult for *removing* the information without any explanation, and then me reposting it so it lived on. I had been sending people on my server to your post as guidance for 3*, all of them started telling me that you had edited out the info and that it was gone so I reposted it. If

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I really appreciated the work of another poster here in helping out the community by posting a frame for what was working for 3* HQ.

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is insulting to you because I didn't name you *when you took down the info* then so be it. You could have easily put in a note saying that it was down for you to work on the rotation some, there are plenty of ways of doing that without removing the info completely out of the blue.

Yes, I was very happy to see this back up! I was just starting use it and then it got deleted like 20 minutes later. I figured that it was gone for good and I had not saved it, nor did I remember it. What does it matter if your username is mentioned, though? Popularity on forums? You could have just simply asked for the OP of this thread to name if you but you just made accusations.

I want to thank you and the OP, though. You for making the original rotation and the OP of this thread for reposting it so I could continue to use it.

Or, you know, you could've waited (wasn't even down for 2h), or asked in the thread, or put a link to it instead of "some other poster" who posted just a "frame," which happens to be, skill for skill, the exact same "rotation" you posted - which wasn't even fully copied since you neglected to mention some important notes about it. If you wanted to repost it to split it out from the middle of the thread so it was more noticeable, I would've been fine with that had you simply asked or given credit. I see no reason not to other than you wanted attention.

Whatever, enjoy. I'll look forward to the crying when 4 star crafts come out.

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Originally Posted by Adoxx

What does it matter if your username is mentioned, though? Popularity on forums?

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Maybe I've been in academia for too long, but referencing other works and giving credit is considered standard and courtesy at worst.

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Originally Posted by Adoxx

You could have just simply asked for the OP of this thread to name if you but you just made accusations.

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I did. Notice how it still hasn't been edited even though it's "so easy." Whatever. I'm just the bad guy here, don't mind me.

No, I didn't post a name because I already got a warning on these forums once for something like that and I'd rather not get another. If you want credit, it is quite obvious that you created the rotation. I was making my best attempt at making sure the information was able to be accessed without throwing you under the bus as I had no idea why you removed it or how long it was gone for, just that it was with no explanation of why. However I am going to take this salty tone as you asking for credit, done.

If you want to be salty and selfish because I wanted the information to stay around, feel free, but I'd rather just end this and have the information available. Re-post the info with your name or whatever other bragging you wish and this topic will be deleted and you can have the glory. But I care more about the information being available to everyone that wants to give it a shot.

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Originally Posted by Adoxx

Yes, I was very happy to see this back up! I was just starting use it and then it got deleted like 20 minutes later. I figured that it was gone for good and I had not saved it, nor did I remember it. What does it matter if your username is mentioned, though? Popularity on forums? You could have just simply asked for the OP of this thread to name if you but you just made accusations.

I want to thank you and the OP, though. You for making the original rotation and the OP of this thread for reposting it so I could continue to use it.

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lol, Lyrinn was the only high lv crafter who began sharing the USEFUL information for the master recipes since 2.2 launch. Other crafters (include myself) just keep our mouth shut and make as much as possible before you guys figure it out. Ofc she deserved the credit for the rotation.

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Originally Posted by ImDingDing

lol, Lyrinn was the only high lv crafter who began sharing the USEFUL information for the master recipes since 2.2 launch. Other crafters (include myself) just keep our mouth shut and make as much as possible before you guys figure it out. Ofc she deserved the credit for the rotation.

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I did not say she did not deserve it. That is not what I said at all.

Anyone interested in this, Lyrinn has reposted the information themselves over at http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen..._contains_rng/

Erm. Why no innovation?

Just credit her already.

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Originally Posted by Gesser

Just credit her already.

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Apparently you can't read the first post, or the post that is two above you.

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Originally Posted by mayonnegg

Erm. Why no innovation?

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innovation increase ur base control only, it will not buff ur control stats gained by the inner stacks which makes it the least useful lv50 cross skill now.

I did some experimenting and tweaking of the rotation myself. Hope this proves to work better. I managed to squeeze in one more Touch action, bringing the total from 8 to 9.

My stats are 405 Craftsmanship, 375 Control and 388 CP (345 CP + HQ Bouillabaisse). It's possible to do with the minimum required stats (391 Craft / 374 Control), but CP should be at 388 regardless.

Comfort Zone
(*)
Inner Quiet
(*/)
Waste Not II
Steady Hand II
Piece by Piece x2
Hasty Touch x5, until 45/80 Durability
(*)
Comfort Zone
Master's Mend
Steady Hand II
Hasty Touch x4 until 35/80
Steady Hand
(*/)
Great Strides
(Innovation if ToT was used at least once)
Ingenuity II
Byregot's Blessing
Careful Synthesis II x3

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(*) and (*/) indicate the start and end periods when you can use ToT if it's up. Do not use ToT outside of these periods.

If you're about to use PbP but the item condition is Good or Excellent, postpone PbP and use Hasty Touch instead.

If you've managed to use ToT once, use Innovation after Great Strides. If you've managed to use ToT twice, change a Hasty Touch to Basic Touch as well.

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Originally Posted by Lizzy

I did some experimenting and tweaking of the rotation myself. Hope this proves to work better. I managed to squeeze in one more Touch action, bringing the total from 8 to 9.

My stats are 405 Craftsmanship, 375 Control and 388 CP (345 CP + HQ Bouillabaisse). It's possible to do with the minimum required stats (391 Craft / 374 Control), but CP should be at 388 regardless.

Comfort Zone
(*)
Inner Quiet
(*/)
Waste Not II
Steady Hand II
Piece by Piece x2
Hasty Touch x5, until 45/80 Durability
(*)
Comfort Zone
Master's Mend
Steady Hand II
Hasty Touch x4 until 35/80
Steady Hand
(*/)
Great Strides
(Innovation if ToT was used at least once)
Ingenuity II
Byregot's Blessing
Careful Synthesis II x3

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Just one quick comment. You can safely replace Master's Mend with Manipulation to save 4 CP, which knocks off 1-2 required melds.

So many options for these 3 star recipes... Im trying to compile some of them into a bit of a guide, though it does take a while to check each one ;)

In the end it all comes down to how much rng you want to deal with.

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Originally Posted by Kenji1134

In the end it all comes down to how much rng you want to deal with.

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It's all risk/reward. Someone posted something similar in the DoH section (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...64#post1997964) except s/he used another Ingenuity II in the middle. If you're fine with pure RNG, I think these Waste Not variations may be superior.

Edit: I just tried it and I can't say I'm a fan of the 50% hasty touches, but it works about as well as my method.