Just something to remember when your farming Atma

Just got my sch book and the main piece of personal advice I gave myself is to remember that the rng is the rng, which mean you may get one right after the other (like i was lucky enough to have happen last night) or you might not get one for 30 hours. If you go into this expecting to get them all in a timely manner your going to end up upset and frustrated. This doesn't mean you can't try to farm them just don't have unrealistic expectations.

What's with all the bragging threads? XD

if this is going to be a remember thing to the people farming the atma then remember there are people levelling there low level jobs so make sure to give them a chance to level :D

I think most people have a problem with it being FATEs. From those who I've talked to a majority wouldn't mind the RNG as much if it wasn't FATEs.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

I think most people have a problem with it being FATEs. From those who I've talked to a majority wouldn't mind the RNG as much if it wasn't FATEs.

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I not only hate FATEs, I hate that it's solely RNG. I much prefer a goal to work towards, rather than "farm this until your eyes bleed and maybe you'll eventually finish it". For example, if the quest was "complete every FATE in these zones with the highest possible rating", I wouldn't mind that, even though I think FATEs are the most boring thing ever. I want to know when something will be completed, even if it will take me months to do it, and be able to work toward that goal. Spending hours upon hours grinding FATEs with no drop and no end in sight is really depressing me.

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Originally Posted by jlewiss

If you go into this expecting to get them all in a timely manner your going to end up upset and frustrated. This doesn't mean you can't try to farm them just don't have unrealistic expectations.

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The first bragging posts from people who got the Atma upgrade started coming in within 12 hours after the patch, so I don't think it's unrealistic to expect that I would be at least halfway finished 3-4 days later. I still don't have a drop at all.

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Originally Posted by Calyanare

I not only hate FATEs, I hate that it's solely RNG. I much prefer a goal to work towards, rather than "farm this until your eyes bleed and maybe you'll eventually finish it". For example, if the quest was "complete every FATE in these zones with the highest possible rating", I wouldn't mind that, even though I think FATEs are the most boring thing ever. I want to know when something will be completed, even if it will take me months to do it, and be able to work toward that goal. Spending hours upon hours grinding FATEs with no drop and no end in sight is really depressing me.

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Yeah, I agree. If it was just FATEs even a high number of them (like 50 per zone) I wouldn't mind it. Or if it was something else, but with the same RNG, I wouldn't mind it. But both..... Just no

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Originally Posted by Calyanare

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Except your ignoring the fact that it's RNG so yes its unrealistic to expect it, the fact that people finished within the first 24 hours is not the norm

You know what doe sit for me, I only did 6 classes to 50 and two characters through FATES...I just cannot stand spending another 15 minutes in fates anymore...I get bored fast, running around like an idiot. There's afate...derp derp...move on....do that for 10+ hours, rinse repeat...I am effin sick of it. I don't want to see another fate ever again, but that's not the case.

The irritating fact of the matter is that these people who finished it within 24 hours aren't necessarily good players. Getting the relic weapon and zenithing it was a walk in the proverbial park, so getting lucky with RNG still proves nothing. This is an irritating fact with almost every eastern mmo. The players that just grind and grind and grind and maybe get lucky faster than others that legitimately are talented players reap the rewards. Yet so many of them feel they have bragging rights or that their epeen is bigger than others simply because they got lucky. This weapon quest isn't impressive. There is no real challenge or tactic to it. You simply throw yourself at the mercy of the RNG gods and hope they have pity enough to rain their climax on you other than the 50 other monkeys jumping around the map.

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Originally Posted by Ceodore

The irritating fact of the matter is that these people who finished it within 24 hours aren't necessarily good players. Getting the relic weapon and zenithing it was a walk in the proverbial park, so getting lucky with RNG still proves nothing. This is an irritating fact with almost every eastern mmo.

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Actually, I found this more true with almost every western MMORPG including WoW, even when you get stuff handed to you it still doesn't make someone a better player.

So let's just say it's true with mmorpgs in general.

I could care less about the RNG, What I don't like is that it can be from any fate in the entire zone. It should have been one specific fate in each zone, Even if it had nothing to do with the Zodiac Sign. Fate grinding is boring I didn't enjoy it Pre 2.1 and I don't enjoy it now.

The Brave Trials sound like fun even if it cost 13,500 Myth Tomes.

I don't think it should have been 1 fate from each zone because then it would have been completed way too quickly, and we'd have people complaining.

It would have been nice to see some kind of multi-step riddle/puzzle that involved thinking in order to obtain the crystal for that zodiac sign. Kind of like treasure hunting, it may require you to go to a certain spot, talk to certain npcs, use an item at a specified location during a certain time of day to encounter the monster/NPC you need...(we do have rare gathering nodes that involve items appearing at certain Eorzean times). Something like this would be elaborate, and maybe even take a lot of time to figure out how to get the crystal, but would not be RNG based.

For me personally, I'm still working on getting my atmas, but I've been pacing myself. I'm having a hard time deciding which weapon I want to use them for, because I don't want to hunt for more to do a second one.

Just something to remember when you're playing FFXIV
This isn't a Monopoly luck-based board game.

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Originally Posted by jlewiss

If you go into this expecting to get them all in a timely manner your going to end up upset and frustrated. This doesn't mean you can't try to farm them just don't have unrealistic expectations.

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And if you do have realistic expectations, you're still going to be just as upset and frustrated as you would be if your expectations were unrealistic, because this system is grindy and stupid.

It feels like you can do 1 weapon a week at normal pace. It's actually not that bad

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Originally Posted by Lumidus

It feels like you can do 1 weapon a week at normal pace. It's actually not that bad

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Because everyone has time to farm 8 hours a day. I've farmed for a total of 5 hours now and I've only gotten 1 atma.

Took me 13 weeks to get 1 piece of gear from Coil because of the RNG involved of maybe my piece will drop, maybe it won't...
I don't see this going any better....
MMORPG's with RNG HATE ME.
I quit Tera because of the broken RNG enchanting system.
I don't want to have to quit because of this....

SE took the wrong message to heart when they saw all those people grinding FATEs 2.0 ... they reasoned that people did them because they actually like FATEs. SE completely ignored the near complete abandonment of FATEs (outside of those required for CT access and for Beast Tribe dailies) in 2.1.

NOTHING should be locked behind FATEs. Not CT, not Beast Tribe Dailies, not these weapons. These Atmas should have been locked behind some new trials, or perhaps had a chance to drop from dungeon bosses going to random people. SE needs to recognize that the majority of FF14 players dislike FATEs in general, and discontinue putting significant stuff behind them.

Hell, if they were so deadset on locking it behind fates, they could've at least made new high level fates to do instead of having to do a level 7 fate on a level-synced level 50 character.

I feel the only time I get them is when I don't expect it.

When I go out of my way and work my butt off grinding for hours and try to do every single fate that pops up: I get jack.

When I hardly do any work and leisurely complete a fate that just happens to be nearby: I get it.