Mint condition?!

I read alot of stuff about this game even before i started to play, so i wasnt surprised by its many many faults, but today i experienced something i wasnt aware off and was pretty surprised.
They dont let us sell gear on wards that isnt 100% mint conditions? I mean i already hate the gear degradation system and repairs but i get it, it simulates reality, stuff breaks ok fine. But telling me i cant sell used stuff unless i repair it?! it makes the reality thing useless, I should be able to sell it and leave it the buyer to decide whats worth repairing. I mean i can sell my car with no sits or tires if someone is willing to buy it! What they do with broken stuff is not my concern.

Well no one really wants to buy some thing "used" and not in "mint condition"

I would think this more in a videogame, then in R/L. Unless the broken item can be repaired into some legendary artifactish item/weapon/armor I wouldn't want to buy a broken piece of equipment. Mainly because now I have to repair it.

Problem i do see however is that the NPC will not repair an item to full. So you have to find a crafter or repair it yourself before you can sell it. But I do not think this a serious issue.

If you are good at repairing things, then it's worth it for you to buy it at a discount. You could snag hard to fix gear cheap, fix it and turn a profit.

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Originally Posted by Kobushi

They dont let us sell gear on wards that isnt 100% mint conditions? I mean i already hate the gear degradation system and repairs but i get it, it simulates reality, stuff breaks ok fine. But telling me i cant sell used stuff unless i repair it?! it makes the reality thing useless, I should be able to sell it and leave it the buyer to decide whats worth repairing. I mean i can sell my car with no sits or tires if someone is willing to buy it! What they do with broken stuff is not my concern.

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There was an issue in XI where people were 'tricked' into buying items with low or zero charges. (It was pretty easy to miss the current charge in the string of numbers.) I would guess this restriction is in response to that.

I agree with Naylia, if lets say theres this armor for example that costs 100k at 100% condition and i own it and wear it for a while and leave it at 85% but then get something better and i wanna sell it but don't wanna waste my time asking for other players to repair it or repair ir myself, npcs only give 10k for it what would make me lose alot of money, wouldn't it be more advantegous for me to sell it at 50k for example to someone with the time and patience for this repair crap ?
I'm just saying either let us sell our stuff easly in this already retainer broken world, or let the repairs npc repair our stuff to 100% so i can sell my stuff without wasting more time then it already takes to manage the freaking retainer baazar.

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Originally Posted by Calandra

There was an issue in XI where people were 'tricked' into buying items with low or zero charges. (It was pretty easy to miss the current charge in the string of numbers.) I would guess this restriction is in response to that.

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I'm afraid i didn't get this tricked thing you mentioned, can you explain it better please?

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Originally Posted by Naylia

If you are good at repairing things, then it's worth it for you to buy it at a discount. You could snag hard to fix gear cheap, fix it and turn a profit.

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This is an interesting idea. Buying junk and repairing/reselling would be an additional little thing to do for those who felt so inclined. Also, repairing gear or having gear repaired is not generally an earth shattering task.

They need to simplify this problem by having vendors repair gear to 100%.

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Originally Posted by Kenji

They need to simplify this problem by having vendors repair gear to 100%.

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I vaguely recall the complaint against this move was that it would invalidate an important aspect of the crafting system by rendering crafters superfluous.

Note: I'm not claiming that as my argument for or against it, just stating what I recall to be, generally, the complaint levied against it by others.

My personal opinion is that it should be 100% if the current cost of repairs is maintained, and should also include accessories. If the repair cost is dropped to something closer to sane then the 75% might be palatable.

yep should be able to sell as is.

I thought I read something about SE wanting players to sell gear regardless of it's current condition. They always talked about players selling gear at different prices because of multiple variables involved with the item, like condition, materia, color, they even had a system they talked about where you could customize your equipments appearance. That was the original point of the market wards right? Being able to sell gear for the price you feel is right by examining all the variables you put into the item.

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Originally Posted by SydeBeheln

I thought I read something about SE wanting players to sell gear regardless of it's current condition. They always talked about players selling gear at different prices because of multiple variables involved with the item, like condition, materia, color, they even had a system they talked about where you could customize your equipments appearance. That was the original point of the market wards right? Being able to sell gear for the price you feel is right by examining all the variables you put into the item.

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Yup i belive that to be the best solution, leave it up to the players to decide what's worth buying and what's not based on every factor, price, condition, color etc...

After thinking about it for a few minutes, I tend to agree with the OP. I like the idea suggested about one buying old equip, repairing, and reselling as a viable money-making opportunity.

The only issue I would see is the outcry of whining if they don't know what the current item condition is until they reach the retainer. That's just one more piece of information that would have to be added to the search function. Not all that hard to do, but a necessary step.

I liked how when I want to get an item repaired, I can't accidently sell something worth millions of gil for 1k. I don't see why, when repairs are so easy and cheap to get, it would be that much of a problem to ensure the buyer always gets an item that is 100% ready to go.

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Originally Posted by BlaiseLallaise

After thinking about it for a few minutes, I tend to agree with the OP. I like the idea suggested about one buying old equip, repairing, and reselling as a viable money-making opportunity.

The only issue I would see is the outcry of whining if they don't know what the current item condition is until they reach the retainer. That's just one more piece of information that would have to be added to the search function. Not all that hard to do, but a necessary step.

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I see, you have a point there

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Originally Posted by Roaran

I liked how when I want to get an item repaired, I can't accidently sell something worth millions of gil for 1k. I don't see why, when repairs are so easy and cheap to get, it would be that much of a problem to ensure the buyer always gets an item that is 100% ready to go.

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Sorry i don't see how this system protects you from anything, you can sell something at low price by mistake after you repair it anyway, as any other item in the game that is not gear. Repairs may be easy to do i haven't even looked into it, what i'm saying is for example you buy a piece of gear and by chance you find youserlf a better piece of gear for that slot quickly and you wanna have your money back quickly for the piece of gear that is no longer of use to you, but then you can't sell it because it's a 99%, so you have to waste your time looking for someone to repair that 1% or learn to do it yourself, it's just a big timesink is all

Well, someone has to fix the equipment. It's either a waste of time on your end or a waste of time on their end. SE chose a waste of the seller's time which is just as good/bad as a waste of the buyer's time. If SE has chosen the other, you'll be here complaining from the other end of the deal.

Because of the way this works, I scarcely use the market wards to sell any gear at all. Rather, I just NPC it, even though I'm aware it's sometimes at a significant loss.

Off-Topic kind of:

You know it occurs to me that the Mender's Ward is utterly useless, even if it were being used to some extent for its true purpose it's full of overflow retainers... and so, practically speaking, it may as well not exist.

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Originally Posted by AngryNixon

Off-Topic kind of:

You know it occurs to me that the Mender's Ward is utterly useless, even if it were being used to some extent for its true purpose it's full of overflow retainers... and so, practically speaking, it may as well not exist.

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Yes...good thought. Although the better option might be to dismiss retainers from the ward that no longer have an item relevant to that ward on them for sale/repair.