You think that Atma collecting is hard....lol

So for all those that think collecting atma pieces are the pain....I would collect 100 as opposed to what comes next-

So I collected all 12 in 12 hours with some being far more timely than others, and yes I realize that RNG was on my side. Some people that are throwing out some absurd times and fabricating to make it sound worse then it is, please stop. For the others I'm sorry you're getting the stick with RNG. Also how effectively you choose to do fates is up to you...if you sit and wait in one area for 3 to spawn repeatedly of course its going to take 5 hours. If you aren't getting gold, you aren't getting an atma. I and the other person that did it congruently both took 12-14 hours but we hustled ass to every fate possible.

As for the after part - First book is complete for +2 vit = 18 hours

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Cost of book = 1500 myth tomes (9 books total for full upgrade = 13,500)
each book requires 10x10 kills = so 100 kills total of various mobs
3 fates, 3 levels, and 3 dungeons.

The book itself is not horrible but even getting 4 people and speed running first two bosses of bray hard at 10 mins per = 50 every 10 mins, 300 per hour, 5 hours for 1500 myths.

5 hours x 9 books = 45 hours minus doing the actual books. So yea its a long tedious road.

That's awesome that you got your pieces so quickly!

I spent two hours the other night and four hours tonight doing exactly what you did... hauling ass from FATE to FATE, getting gold on every single one. I got one atma just after starting today, so right after my cumulative 2-hour mark... but then nothing for the other four hours.

Conversely, there was a guy in my party saying he'd had none in 12 hours, and another guy saying he'd found 10 in 8.5 hours.

So it really appears to just be completely random. I actually can't wait for the second stage... even though it's a long grind, it will be nice not having to guess how much longer I'll be at it.

Bitch please.
I grinded for 13 hours, i did more then 200 fates. I have only 3 atmas. A friend of mine got 8 atmas in 4 hours.
So, if you don't know what the players are saying, avoid to give us your "teaches"

You have RNG on your side I went 10 hours to not get any.

I don't even want to calculate how many hours or FATEs I've done, and I have ZERO drops. This isn't difficult, it's plain depressing.

I'm looking forward to the next section, where at least you know you can make progress on it within a given time frame, instead of throwing away tons of time to get nothing, which is what I've been doing so far.

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Originally Posted by DkFusion

5 hours x 9 books = 45 hours minus doing the actual books. So yea its a long tedious road.

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cmon, you're really complaining about myth farming ? 45 hours is about 2 weeks to a month for many people, 2 month for very casual players.

SE announced it to be long. No real need to rush it in any way. As far as I understand it too, the animus will have iL100 stats PLUS a bonus according to which books you used to level it up. Not sure if there are caps, but that seems awesome enough for me to wait patiently before getting it.

3 days and still 1 atma

I am fairly certain no one thinks atma collecting is hard. Just tedious and boring, which is fine by itself, but also based solely upon luck. We're all rolling rigged dice, you just were fortunate enough to have good rolls.

What you said about the second part sounds fantastic. Something to really sink my teeth into, every bit of Mythos gained doing game content contributing towards the goal. Few people have gripes over the amount of time put into the FATEs, the issue lies in the time being an entirely frivolous factor, as there is absolutely no skill involved. You rush over to a FATE, spam Flash a bit, get gold, don't get the atma, then rinse and repeat until it drops. Zero thought, zero skill, zero fun.

This FATE travesty is a binary. You either have the atma, ergo you progress to the next one, or you do not. Players are asking for a spectrum instead.

You seem to completely misunderstand why people dislike the Atma stage. It's because you have no idea when you will progress. It might take 1 more FATE, or 1,000 more FATES. Who knows!? The FATEs themselves are just mindlessly mashing your first 1-4 skills, depending on the area. It's a mind numbing time sink (as opposed to, for example, lock out time sinks we see in other content, or quantity time sinks they could have implemented -- like 20 FATEs in a region = an atma). I haven't heard from anyone complaining about the book stage. Most people know about it from datamining and what not already. It lists definitive requirements for the upgrade. That's what people want. They could be long and tedious as Hell. That they're definitive makes all the difference.

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Originally Posted by Nutz

It might take 1 more FATE, or 1,000 more FATES. Who knows!?

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^This this and this

Just because you can get all of 12 Atmas within 12 hours don't assume everyone else does. My first atma took me 5 hours of Fate Grinding.

And yes I got all gold on them, and yes I did not sit and wait in one area I keep moving my ass of all over the place and do the quest as I could. T_T

RNG God, please have mercy on me

Did you cheat? Did you use a program that affect your RNG? 12 in a day? Unheard.

Saying we are making it sound worse than it is, yeah right, I have 1 atma in over 5hrs farming (approximately). Atma farming isn't hard it's the most boring thing there is, you can farm for hours and get nothing. Myth farming you at can at least gear an alt job as well etc. FATEs + RNG make it verging on unbarable unless you get lucky.

Tedium =/= difficulty.

The hardcore are going to try and burn through it for whatever reason. While everyone else gets them when they gem them. They seem to be randomly attainable (think HNM drops). They are for end game content in a MMORPG. They are a time sink. So what's the news?
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Tried 2 days so far a total of 4 hours and 0 atma, I give up for now there is other things to farm.
I like relic to be hard not stupid the FATE are stupid not hard.

I think the second part of this is actually easier and I am looking forward to grind the books.
At least thats what you can call making progress, grats that you got your atmas so quick in the time you got your 12, other got maybe 1-3 if any at all.

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Originally Posted by DkFusion

Some people that are throwing out some absurd times and fabricating to make it sound worse then it is, please stop.

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That's crap! I'm sure there are a few people over exaggerating, But I assure you most are not. I myself have done over 230 fates and have gotten one. I'm about 463 fates away from the 3k Fate Achievement so I have been keeping track.

This fate grind is bull. It took you 12 hours, it could take others 120hrs to get all 12. That's why I hate RNG, The Brave Trials I can deal with that's the easy part. At least with the Brave Trials I know when I can get it done and do it at my own pace. But this Fate Grinding crap is ridiculous, They could have made specific fates for these.

The book part is actually what many of us do not mind, it is the constant RNG destroying your hope while doing the most lackluster and boring content called FATE... That many disdain. It took me 10 hours to get ONE Atma. ONE. That is not cool bro.

I hate the Myth farming and love the RNG drops.

So, I actually am looking forward to the second stage. I -want- that type of grind. I can see my progress, some of it requires grouping. It inspires to make sure I keep up myth upkeep, and there are definitive things to do, not just RNG.

I've spent around 9-10 hours total now doing the Atma grind. During those 9 hours I've been in groups, I've been by myself, either way I go to -every- Fate in the area. I've gone from practically zero seals (after I spent the ones I used to get to cap) up to 13k seals again on Fates that give less, or very close to 100 per downing. I always get gold because I'm practically the first one there and tanking the mob all the time, or I can easily flash spam to get it. I don't think people are blowing things out of proportion at all. I think that's just how RNG works, and why it combined with mostly low level fates is such a bad idea.

All that being said, congrats on getting your weapon.

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Originally Posted by BamDeafPie

Did you cheat? Did you use a program that affect your RNG? 12 in a day? Unheard.

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12 in a day is possible, my FC mate got his weapon at the end of day 1 when the patch came up. He at least knows he's a lucky bum though, and isn't trying to discredit those of us that aren't. Most people in my FC are reporting getting 1 Atma every 3-4 hours, with a few getting 1 every 1-2. Some areas additionally seem to take longer for us on average. Like Lower Noscea and Upper Noscea.