Any tips for semi-reliably crafting 2* items for new main hand?

So I decided to go for the CLN main hand first and I'm smashing my face on the keyboard trying to get good HQ rates on the "Spicy Tomato Relish". My CLN gear stands at:

Craftmanship: 356
Control: 359

First and foremost, the old standby "100% HQ, Zero RNG 2*" method doesn't cut it anymore. I have since attempted to open up with the standard comfort zone and inner quiet. I then proceed to use steady hand II> Ingenuity II> piece by piece (x1)> rapid synthesis (until I am successful just once). With this method and based on my stats above, I get to 359/419 progress. From there I've been fumbling around with all sorts of methods that don't get me high enough of an HQ% to reliably finish. Does anyone have any input?

Thanks everyone.

Wish I could give any advice on doing it from NQ, but I can't. The only consistent way I've tried is HQing the mats, then starting off at ~50% HQ and using a Hasty Touch spam method. With full HQ mats it's pretty consistent, you just need to leave 4 or so turns to complete the item after 100%.

For some reason, I had a harder time HQ'ing the Twinthread than I did the Vanya Silk (so far, that's the only one I've gotten the philo tome mats for). Don't recall my stats, but I'm wearing the generic stuff, not the class specific stuff, and barely meet the requirements for 2 star crafting.

Comfort Zone, Inner Quiet, Ingenuity, Careful Synthesis 2, Steady Hand 2, Waste Not, 4 Hasty Touch, Manipulation, Steady Hand 2, Waste Not, 4 Hasty Touch, Best Touch, Careful Synthesis 2.

I took the "standard" 40 Durability recipe and added in the Ingenuity moves. This allowed me to finish the recipe in 2 (rather than 3) Careful Synthesis 2 moves. It also required that I get two Tricks of the Trade procs, in order to afford a second Ingenuity during the "Best Touch" sequence. I was willing to accept a Tricks of the Trade proc during the second Waste Not.

I had 4 of 10 Twinthread get HQ with that method. I had 5 of 5 Vanya Silk get HQ with that method. My next step is going to have to be getting the Alchemy Master tome, as that one looks to be key to several classes.

yeah, I need to HQ mats to consistenly HQ the craft turn ins.

was doing some silver brocade. I start by mining my own ore/effervescent water and gathering my own cocoons, all HQ. With that its easy to HQ the twinthread and silver ingots, and from there I've been able to get about 9/10 HQ for the silver brocade.

I finished my 50 HQ mats today. I mainly did them with 1 HQ mat, which was relatively easy enough to do. Here's how I did it, with nearly pre-weapon maxed character and CP food (you want 370+ CP):

CZ > IQ > WN2 > (SH2 > Hasty spam until all WN2 stacks are gone) > CZ > SH2 > Hasty Touch > Hasty Touch > Master's Mend II > at this point, make a judgement call depending on how many stacks you got of IQ - with 10 stacks you can Great Strides > Ingenuity II > Byregot's Blessing > CSII X4.

The goal is to get to 10 stacks while having enough turns and CP left over to finish the progress. Use Tricks of the Trade liberally except for within the Waste Not II, where you don't want to mess with any turns or you'll lose a vital turn.

With HQ materials you can easily get about 90%+ HQ if you have most other crafts at 50. That's with less craft/control than you have and 373 cp. I came up with a quick rotation in about 10 minutes that I put into a couple of macros. I'm sure it's not optimum, but I was 10 for 10 HQ making the Spicy Tomato Relish for the Artisan's Spectacles (wasn't much of a gain for most of my crafters who already had melded hats, but wth). I use HQ fish soup for +CP. Craft/control was 348/330.

CZ-IQ-WN-SH2-Piece by Piece-BT-BT-BT-HT-Manipulation-SH2-HT-HT-HT-HT-GS-ING2-INN-BB-CS2-CS2-CS2

Like I said, just came up with that quick to get my HQ Spicy Tomato Relish. It definitely needs work before doing anything with expensive materials...with the Relish the materials are all cheap and easy to make or harvest HQ. I haven't done any class except CUL so far. I'll have to try Sleigh's method next time. Maybe I can get away with 4 CS2's under ING2 and drop the Piece by Piece, have to see...that would free up 15 CP. GS-INN-ING2-BB-CS2-CS2-CS2-CS2....the crafting simulator says that works with craft 348, but fails with 347, so that saves 15CP for something else. Come up with another 7CP to go with that and put a SH before the GS to boost BB to 100%...time to go play with the crafting simulator...

ETA: Playing around with the crafting simulator. craft/control 348/338 CP 380
CZ-IQ-WN-SH2-BT-BT-BT-HT-HT-Manipulation-SH2-HT-HT-HT-SH-GS-INN-ING2-BB-CS2-CS2-CS2-CS2
Change a BT to HT to drop needed CP to 362.

***Did some testing...the crafting simulator said craft 348 should work ok with CS2x4, but in actuality I only got 103 for each CS2, so synthesis failed. Bumped up my craft to 352 and got 105 per CS2, so that works fine.***

ETA2: Here's what I'm currently liking. craft/control 352/338. Need only 357 CP. Replace last HT with a BT if you have 375 CP.

CZ-IQ-SH2-WN2-HT-HT-HT-HT-ING2-CS2-CS2-CS2-CZ-SH2-WN-HT-HT-HT-HT-SH2-ING2-Innovation-HT-GS-BB-CS2

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Originally Posted by Lenarr

.the crafting simulator says that works with craft 348, but fails with 347

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I can confirm that it's somewhere in that range, 347 gets you 104 with CSII, and 352 gets you 106. You need 105 to finish with 4 CSII with INGII up.

I was at about 75% HQ rate using hasty spam with all NQ materials, 352 Craft, 345 Control, 391 CP. Take out the first few getting my rotation down and the synths without food, and I was closer to 80-85% HQ rate.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

I can confirm that it's somewhere in that range, 347 gets you 104 with CSII, and 352 gets you 106. You need 105 to finish with 4 CSII with INGII up.

I was at about 75% HQ rate using hasty spam with all NQ materials, 352 Craft, 345 Control, 391 CP. Take out the first few getting my rotation down and the synths without food, and I was closer to 80-85% HQ rate.

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I tried a CS2x4 synthesis with 348 craft and it failed, since I actually only got 103 per CS4, in spite of what the simulator estimated. I'm getting 105 with 352 craft, so it's odd we differ slightly.

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Originally Posted by Lenarr

I tried a CS2x4 synthesis with 348 craft and it failed, since I actually only got 103 per CS4, in spite of what the simulator estimated. I'm getting 105 with 352 craft, so it's odd we differ slightly.

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I just double checked and my cook had a CP+4 instead of control+2 for a meld, so it was 104@351, 106@356

Based this off a reddit post, and altered it to fit mine. There's room for improvement, but it's macroable and is always the same rotation, can suck if your byregot's on a poor though.

348 cp, hq fish soup.

Comfort Zone
Inner Quiet
Steady Hands II
Hasty Touch - X4
Piece by Piece
Steady Hands II
Hasty Touch - X2
Comfort Zone
Master's Mend II
Hasty Touch - X1
Gamble here, Hasty Touch X1 with no steady hand
Standard Touch x1 (32 CP one)
Great Strides
Steady Hand I (not II)
Ingenuity
Byregot's Blessing
Careful Synthesis X3

All my gears are max meld, and offhand is 11Control,6Craft,3CP.

I just finished the 50 Spirits of Salt for the ALC mainhand. I got about 90% HQ using 1 HQ Volcanic Rock Salt per synthesis. craft/control was 352/345 and CP was 386. You can get by with CP 375 if you change the last SH to SH2 and the ST to BT. You need 352 craft to get the needed 105 per CS2 to get to 419 with 4 CS2's. You can get by with control less than 345.

macro1:
/echo -------------------------------------------------------
/action "Comfort Zone" <me> <wait.2>
/action "Inner Quiet" <me> <wait.2>
/action "Steady Hand II" <me> <wait.2>
/action "Waste Not II" <me> <wait.2>
/action "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/action "Hasty Touch" <me><wait.3>
/action "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/action "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/action "Ingenuity II" <me> <wait.2>
/action "Careful Synthesis II" <me> <wait.3>
/action "Careful Synthesis II" <me> <wait.3>
/action "Careful Synthesis II" <me> <wait.3>
/action "Comfort Zone" <me> <wait.2>
/echo *Master80a Complete* <se.7>

macro2:
/action "Steady Hand II" <me> <wait.2>
/action "Waste Not" <me> <wait.2>
/action "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/action "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/action "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/action "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/action "Steady Hand" <me> <wait.2>
/action "Ingenuity II" <me> <wait.2>
/action "Innovation" <me> <wait.2>
/action "Standard Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/action "Great Strides" <me> <wait.3>
/action "Byregot's Blessing" <me> <wait.3>
/action "Careful Synthesis II" <me> <wait.3>
/echo **Master80b complete** <se.10>

Since it's not 100% HQ to start with, I haven't worried about things like the small chance of a poor condition on the BB.

ETA: I've tried a variety of other rotations, and this is the best I've come up with or found, at least when you need to get a lot of quality. Others seem ok when you start with a lot of HQ materials. According to the crafting simulator, this rotation is still almost 60% chance of HQ even starting at 0 quality.

Here's a 10x Hasty Touch rotation. It requires 352 craft and ~368 CP.

I think I am 60/62 with well-melded WVR and 25/32 with minimally melded CUL using this rotation, not counting user errors (I haven't really played in a few months so I am pretty rusty):

Comfort Zone
Inner Quiet
Steady Hand II
Waste Not II
Hasty Touch x 5
Steady Hand II
Hasty Touch x 5
Manipulation
Steady Hand
Great Strides
Innovation
Ingenuity II
Byregot's Blessing
Careful Synthesis II x 4

If you get Good condition after CZ or IQ, use Tricks of the Trade and replace a HT on Good/Excellent condition with Basic Touch.

If you get Excellent condition anytime after Steady Hand, use Byregot's Blessing.

My CUL doesn't have enough craftsmanship to finish in 4x CS II, so I replace the tenth HT with CS unless I proc TotT after CZ, IQ, HT#9, or Manipulation. In that case, I replace the first CS II with Standard Synthesis.

I've honestly had a major problem crafting reliably since the patch and it is really annoying me. Before the patch I was able to HQ things like Vanya silk without issue... now I just can't.

The biggest problem is I'm running out of CP and I don't know why. I haven't changed what I do at all, but now I just don't have enough CP to complete the process.

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Originally Posted by Tannlore

I've honestly had a major problem crafting reliably since the patch and it is really annoying me. Before the patch I was able to HQ things like Vanya silk without issue... now I just can't.

The biggest problem is I'm running out of CP and I don't know why. I haven't changed what I do at all, but now I just don't have enough CP to complete the process.

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Because you need at least 4 steps to finish the progress of the 2-star tomes and u used to only need one with vanya silk. 3 durability is 88 CP

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Originally Posted by ImDingDing

Because you need at least 4 steps to finish the progress of the 2-star tomes and u used to only need one with vanya silk. 3 durability is 88 CP

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I'm talking 2 star recipes though. I was finally able to use the same macros I used before 2.2 but with HQ bouillabase. This left me 4 cp extra in the end where I didn't need that before. Something had the cost raised but I don't know what.

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Originally Posted by Lenarr

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I tried this macro and adjusted it for 375 CP. I'm at 352 Craft 341 Control 379 CP (After HQ Bouillabase) on my CUL and can HQ the relish 99% of the time (NQ'd one with 92% Quality... /cry)

Also using all 4 mats HQ as a safety net

EDIT: The macro just helped me get my Artisan Specs~ Working on the new main hand

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Originally Posted by Tannlore

I'm talking 2 star recipes though. I was finally able to use the same macros I used before 2.2 but with HQ bouillabase. This left me 4 cp extra in the end where I didn't need that before. Something had the cost raised but I don't know what.

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SE changed how IngenuityI / II work. That's probably the contributor to your shortage of CP.
If you manually makes those Vanya Silk, you still can HQ with less requirement. My base statats 348 Craft, 342 Control and 339 CP.

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Originally Posted by Faeye

SE changed how IngenuityI / II work. That's probably the contributor to your shortage of CP.
If you manually makes those Vanya Silk, you still can HQ with less requirement. My base statats 348 Craft, 342 Control and 339 CP.

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They also said that the changes to Ingenuity/II shouldn't effect synths that were available previous to patch 2.2

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Originally Posted by NintenPyjak64

I tried this macro and adjusted it for 375 CP. I'm at 352 Craft 341 Control 379 CP (After HQ Bouillabase) on my CUL and can HQ the relish 99% of the time (NQ'd one with 92% Quality... /cry)

Also using all 4 mats HQ as a safety net

EDIT: The macro just helped me get my Artisan Specs~ Working on the new main hand

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NQ'd 1 with 92% and another with 96%. I was 10/12 HQ with 92% being the lowest chance I ever saw :( I feel like there should be 0% 50% and 100% beacuse everything else is meaningless - or maybe just 0% and 100%.

I want to design a game, and replace RNG with something more fair and equitable.