Unnessesary Anger

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Unfortunately you broke rules that you were not aware of, that fault lays with the group who set the rules. Sadly there is not really anything you can do about your reputation except be clear that "hey I did not know until after the fact". Then again they can argue you should have asked. No win situation.

To some reputation does matter. Besides the person you ninja looted from could have been after that weapon for as long as you have. As I never have done coil I can only guess that there is need greed pass like any other dungeon. Passing on something you need is a hard thing to do.

Doubt SE will change things because in the end it is you the players making these choices on wether to stick to agreements or not, and they probably could care less about a players gained reputation for being a deal breaker.

Huh? The resentment towards you is justified as you did not uphold the agreement and even "fully aware of what I was doing". Don't ask the game to make adjustment so you don't get responsibility for your actions. I agree with you on one thing, you are nasty.

Ok so I edited my previous post, which is it? You were unaware of the rules? OR You were perfectly aware and looted anyways?

Always roll need if you need so that is an error on their part.

Even though the game doesn't enforce rules agreed upon that is still no excuse to break agreements between players. To some extent it is left up to us to police ourselves. It is a matter now of how badly those other players will trash your reputation, go too far then who knows maybe SE will spank them for harassment. Only thing you can do is repair your rep yourself.

There is no easy answer for the situation you find yourself in now, I think posting on forums may be only hurting you more as you are trying to justify what you did. May been better to just say hey I feel bad I did this even though ninja'd player should have rolled need.

I am finding in at least lower level dungeons everybody is rolling greed on loot, at least on the sellable stuff. That said roll need is probably being used to acquire stuff repeatably for gil.

People are stupid. The need/greed/pass system is really all thats needed what the hell is with these "special rules". If you need it, need it. If ypu want it, greed it and pass otherwise why does there need to be some stupid house rules?

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Originally Posted by Denver_Max

Also I was playing as Bard and the Tank was a PLD so therefor couldnt he have rolled need which would have instantly beat my greed roll? That I think is a justifiable excuse that the weapon went to me instead of the PLD

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If they put a "rule" about no need so everyone could greed and accest that item. Some people go as other jobs to fill in and they can't need the item they want. You said you greeded without knowing the rules but you also said you were fully aware of what you were doing so which is it?

Perhaps the OP is proposing a system similar to WoW's master loot and the subsequent spam of /random

Then again, even that system could be easily abused (e.g., master looter ninja loot for him/her self.

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Originally Posted by Denver_Max

Okay so they never said anything about loot rules UNTIL the loot dropped, and AFTER i greeded it. the person who was SUPPOSED to get the sword was the Tank who mains a tank, and could have needed on it. I was aware that I greeded on the item. I wasn't aware there were rules.

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They probably were going at it for a while or knew each other. In my opinion your were ok, I personally dont accept rules that are said after the loot drop. Is always a good practice to ask about loot rules when pugging and abide by them. I think they were bad for not explaining to you but as a proactive player is good to ask too.

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Originally Posted by Denver_Max

Okay so they never said anything about loot rules UNTIL the loot dropped, and AFTER i greeded it. the person who was SUPPOSED to get the sword was the Tank who mains a tank, and could have needed on it. I was aware that I greeded on the item. I wasn't aware there were rules.

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If this was a PF group with the rules listed, then that's your fault. Also special rules agreed upon in advance, can be punished if broken. Most would consider joining a PF group with the rules listed as agreed upon in advance.

If not however, I see no issue, as annoying as it might be to some. Well personally I'd have asked before hand if it was ok to greed.

A Master Looter option would be nice.

The need/greed/pass system works really well in most situations tho.

Hearing the story, I'd have to say it's on the other tank. If he needed the sword and could thus press Need, it's on him. He should have pressed it. My FC has a rule that we check about the gear, but the general rule is if you can Need it and you're often in that class for Coil runs, to take it. Otherwise if it's a greed thing, we check who needs it the most.

Setting loot rule after duty complete is bull shit. You just ignore those guys
or even report them if they keep spreading out this issue to ruin your reputation.

Anyway, I curious to know what was the loot rule.

Because if tank didn't need then everyone else should have right to greed on it.

Who...makes loot rules for PUGs? You're just asking for trouble. Loot rules are for FCs or statics or people who have at least a small semblance of knowing each other. There's not even an issue here.

for stealing? go walk into traffic.

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Originally Posted by Inflorescence

Who...makes loot rules for PUGs? You're just asking for trouble. Loot rules are for FCs or statics or people who have at least a small semblance of knowing each other. There's not even an issue here.

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Jp servers do it all the time by having everyone pick a job to greed roll on before the instance starts, and put it In the of message.

A good fail safe is to have someone you trust in the group to not roll until everyone who's job didn't get loot leave the instance, that way you know it has to be willful for someone to stay and try to ninja loot. Ignoring that SE has confirmed breaking agreed on party rules is harassment, unlike DF you're all on the same server, and breaking rules can earn you a bad rep fast.

PF in JP server always have some sort of loot rules, if it's greed party then everyone state what they want to greed, I think the max is 2 person per stats. Some will have Need>Greed rules.
As for OPs, it's their problem for not stating the loot rules at the start. It's bad practice to only state the rules after it has drop, if it was me I would greed as well since there was no prior agreement that the tank should get the blade, and he could have needed anyway so it's his problem for greeding lol

Every time someone puts "honor system" and "PUGs" together in the same thought, I have to shake my head a little. But here are some thoughts:

1) The game needs more loot rule flexibility. WoW has some good options for them to base these on, such as Master Loot, but that also involves trust.
2) I would feel guilty for rolling Greed on an item that was reserved, even if it wasn't said anywhere I could read for myself that this was the case. Generally people make a Big Deal of it at the start of the raid, or before the boss fight in question.
3) The tank should have also just rolled Need since it was reserved AND for the job they were currently playing. If it was me in that position, I would have done so.

It sounds like a bad combination of elements led to whatever reputation you think you have on your home server. Could a different loot system have prevented it? Probably. But no system is perfect, and some systems (like Master Loot) are ripe for abuse too. It's a balance.