relics and weathered weapons

the new relics;

Curtana Atma Gladiator's Arm Item Level: 100 / Equipment Level: 50
Curtana Animus Gladiator's Arm Item Level: 100 / Equipment Level: 50

dont know what this is about:

Weathered Burtgang Gladiator's Arm Item Level: 100 / Equipment Level: 50
Burtgang Gladiator's Arm Item Level: 110 / Equipment Level: 50

i suspect u first upgrade relic zenityh to EITHER atma or animus based on ur choice, then use this weapon as catalyst to upgrade the weathered weapon to ilvl 110 weapon.

I'm thinking they're allowing us to choose between 2 upgrade paths. it could be
for example:
relic zenith > Curtana Atma > Curtana Animus
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relic zenith > Weathered Burtgang > Burtgang

i think you choose rather you want to keep your current relic looks or change it appearance and upgrade it to burtgang.

I think there's less choice and more grind in this, which in my opinion is good. I'm guessing you go from atma to animus to weathered to final. Or animus to atma to weathered to final. Remember this is supposed to be in multiple stages and require tons of time.

I don't think the weathered Items are Relic Items. The Relic weapons turn into Zodiac through a new master artisan. Not wanting to be outdone Gerolt comes back with a vengence and has you seek out his old weaponry and armor (the weathered) and he then restores them to former Glory (gerolt's master works)

So Burtang is completely different set from the Zodiac Curtana wo now has two branching paths to start us off with the Horizontal choices for Zodiac Weaponry.

Maybe is a third set of "final weapon"?

1 - Allagan Weapon from T9
2 - Relic Zenith-> Relic Atma (quest)-> Relic Animus
3 - Weathered XXXX (trading tomestones of soldiery) -> XXXX

Yoshida said it will be 3 "paths" to get a high-level weapon

Possibly that the Animus Curtana Will be Combined with the Weathered Burtgang to make final form of Burtgang?

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Originally Posted by Merle

Maybe is a third set of "final weapon"?

1 - Allagan Weapon from T9
2 - Relic Zenith-> Relic Atma (quest)-> Relic Animus(Weathered XXXX (trading tomestones of soldiery) -> XXXX)
3 - Leviathan Weapons

Yoshida said it will be 3 "paths" to get a high-level weapon

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^ Fixed. :)

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Originally Posted by LordSaviour

^ Fixed. :)

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Leviathan EX weapon have the same ilvl? damn... time to farm leviathan ex then, because i have no chance to bear T6-T9 to get allagan weapon or upgrade relic+2 ¬¬

Leviathan Ex are 100, HM are 95.

If you look closely in the notes you'll see that there are 12 atma's item to collect. What is suspected at the moment is that you will first get an anima weapon, that you will upgrade into an atma, using for example 4 of the 12 atma on it. The 4 atma you pick will determine the 4 stats the weapon is getting. Once those are picked, you can continue upgrading the atma into burtgang, keeping the same stats but increasing the amount bit by bit until you reach i110.

I think that these are just two separate weapons/gearing options.

One if a masterwork that you can gain through soldiery tomes ( weather xxxxx), and then restore to i110 (xxxxx).
The other you quest/collect items to get (relic atma) and then do more grinding/collecting to take to animus, and get the achievement.

Remember that they said that the would keep adding on to the quest for the Zodiac upgrade so it makes sense that it only goes as high as i100 initially. They have patches 2.25,2.23,2.35 to add quests and bring it up to/near High Allagan/restored Gerolt, before they raise the item level.

So.... Leviathan HM is the new farm spot since it drops i95 weapons. Hmmm I bet a lot of Twintania farmers must be raging.

Unless Leviathan hm is very hard, making its weapons ilvl 95 is really faux pas.

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Originally Posted by IzumiRaito

Unless Leviathan hm is very hard, making its weapons ilvl 95 is really faux pas.

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Since Lev-HM will be part of the Main Scenario, I doubt it's too hard.

Animus/Atma are the same ilvl - it doesn't make sense for one to be an upgrade of the other. I bet you get to choose.

The weathered to regular is probably some other thing like the EX weapons. You get the weathered one as a drop/reward somehow and then, given that there's two new Allagan-branded items available that "wind back time", I bet you upgrade the weathered to it's "original state".

Also note there's a ton of "Weathered" armor stuff. I imagine those are Gerolt's masterworks. Have to find them then restore them somehow.

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Originally Posted by Rbstr

Animus/Atma are the same ilvl - it doesn't make sense for one to be an upgrade of the other. I bet you get to choose.

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It also doesn't make sense to reward an achievement for choosing Animus and to not do the same for Atma.

It's extremely unlikely that the i95 Leviathan weapons come from Leviathan Hard Mode. They said in the Live Letter that you get drops from Leviathan EX, and then combine them with something else. It's much more likely that the i95 weapons drop from Leviathan EX, and then get upgraded to the i100 version once you combine them with something else (possibly the 'Rowena's Token (Soldiery)' that the patch notes mention, but that's just a guess).

Would be a little shitty if the upgraded relic only reaches ilv100, whereas the "mythic" one is ivl110.

And there's only new achievement for relic animus so it does seem like it's the final form for 2.2 atm.

hmm......

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Originally Posted by Lemon8or

So.... Leviathan HM is the new farm spot since it drops i95 weapons. Hmmm I bet a lot of Twintania farmers must be raging.

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I'm only sad that I will be replacing my Allagan Cane with a 1 hander. Getting the BLM treatment as a WHM.../sad.

what i think it is going to be:
relic>>>relic atma/animus>>>relic ugrade 2.25>>>relic upgrade 2.3
weathered masterwork>>>>completed masterwork
levi HM weapon >>> levi extreme weapon
high allagan weapon

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Originally Posted by Lemon8or

So.... Leviathan HM is the new farm spot since it drops i95 weapons. Hmmm I bet a lot of Twintania farmers must be raging.

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doubt it. coil weapons look cool.
also they get to be the first to get their hands on the high allagan sets.

Why would a Hard Mode primal drop an i95 weapon when the current extremes drop i90? That would mean that leviathan hard mode, a story mission, would be as hard as t5 or at the very least be harder than the current extremes. I doubt levi hm is as hard as t5 or current extremes. It makes more sense for levi ex to drop i95, giving you alternative to t5 weap, and then require some item or collection of items to upgrade it to 100.

Not to mention that all of a sudden youd be giving newer players going through story an i95 weapon b4 they even touch an extreme or 1st tier of coil. Just makes no sense.

The i100 / i110 weapons are Gerolt's masterworks.

Since all of his items have the Weathered i100 / final i110 format. I'm also assuming the Atma/Animus are simply different paths for relics. i.e. one for crit and the other for speed.

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The weathered to regular is probably some other thing like the EX weapons.

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Every role has also armor called Weathered at i100 and its non-weathered equivalent at i110. And its not from Coil. Coil is all called High Allagan (weapons i115, armor i110).

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Originally Posted by Kuroyasha

Why would a Hard Mode primal drop an i95 weapon when the current extremes drop i90? That would mean that leviathan hard mode, a story mission, would be as hard as t5 or at the very least be harder than the current extremes. I doubt levi hm is as hard as t5 or current extremes. It makes more sense for levi ex to drop i95, giving you alternative to t5 weap, and then require some item or collection of items to upgrade it to 100.

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This makes more sense considering 2.2 is about upgrading items by using stuffs.

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Originally Posted by Kuroyasha

would be as hard as t5 or at the very least be harder than the current extremes.

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as hard as those as of patch with echo buff

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Originally Posted by Kuroyasha

-snippy-

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because right now an i95 weapon is comparable to a moogle weapon in terms of endgame content.

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Originally Posted by saber_alter

because right now an i95 weapon is comparable to a moogle weapon in terms of endgame content.

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It makes no sense for extreme primals to be harder than hard modes but have a hard mode give out a weapon higher than the extremes and the same tier as a t5.

I doubt Yoshi and the dev team would make t5 the equivalent of leviathan hard mode on the first patch they introduce a new tier of coil>_>. If they did that then what would be the point of waiting to give echo buff in coil? You''d already be giving every one(since its a story mission and doesn't require you completing a relic reborn) a free near-instant dmg buff to coil and extremes with i95 weapons from an easier battle.

Yoshi said levi ex can be completed in i90, so giving you an easier i95 b4 hand from something that is 20 ilvl below is like....huh? why? what sense does that make?

If it actually turned out like that I'd be extremely disappointed. from titan hm = 80 to levi hm = i95 while 3 extremes give i90 and 1 give i100 off the bat. Oh and you have to beat ifrit b4 u can try levi ex. So they gonna give you an i95 for that from story b4 u can get i90 from defeating the 3 previous extremes....something aint right there. lol

There's 4 weapons as, [Relic] Atma (100) and [Relic] Animus (100), Weathered [Weapon] (100), and normal named [Weapon] (110).

I'll use the Relic lance Gae Bolg for my theory on these.

So my theory is that we somehow obtain "Gae Bolg Atma", I'm thinking perhaps this is a quest to up our Zenith Weapon (My guess - the new quest "Up in Arms"). From there, it looks like there is a Zodiac Atma item obtained by defeating a certain creature ("Atma of the Goat" flavor text - "The crystallized soul of a formiddable foe felled in the East Shroud.") - my guess would be this is the new quest "Trial of the Braves". I'd then think we'd turn in the Zodiac Atma with the Gae Bolg Atma to obtain Gae Bolg Animus.

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There are also new items listed as 'Parts' that correlate to each weapon. In this theory case there is the "Mossy Stone Spear" (flavor text - A spear crafted from Giantsgall, a type of stone found on Thavnair. It is so covered in moss as to be rendered unusable). My guess is this is turned over, as well as the Gae Bolg Animus, to create "Weathered Liberator". Then possibly after certain conditions are met (I'm thinking kill number, tomes/item trade, or spirit bonding), it becomes "Liberator".

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Why would a Hard Mode primal drop an i95 weapon when the current extremes drop i90? That would mean that leviathan hard mode, a story mission, would be as hard as t5 or at the very least be harder than the current extremes.

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The Rowena tokens seem to have switched source.

It now says for the delivery of beastmen tools.

So I think the extreme primals keep their accessories, and get that new mount drop for each, while Leviathan EX gets i100 weapon. But that the Rowena token thing is no longer from doing the trio of extremes.

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Originally Posted by Kuroyasha

If it actually turned out like that I'd be extremely disappointed. from titan hm = 80 to levi hm = i95 while 3 extremes give i90 and 1 give i100 off the bat. Oh and you have to beat ifrit b4 u can try levi ex. So they gonna give you an i95 for that from story b4 u can get i90 from defeating the 3 previous extremes....something aint right there. lol

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Yoshi already said that Leviathan won't drop the i100 weapons directly and it will work differently to current primals. I'll just wait and see how it actually works tomorrow. If I had to guess Leviathan EM will drop i95 and then there will be some way to upgrade them to i100.

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So my theory is that we somehow obtain "Gae Bolg Atma", I'm thinking perhaps this is a quest to up our Zenith Weapon (My guess - the new quest "Up in Arms"). From there, it looks like there is a Zodiac Atma item obtained by defeating a certain creature ("Atma of the Goat" flavor text - "The crystallized soul of a formiddable foe felled in the East Shroud.") - my guess would be this is the new quest "Trial of the Braves". I'd then think we'd turn in the Zodiac Atma with the Gae Bolg Atma to obtain Gae Bolg Animus.

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It's very obvious to me that we get Zenith -> Atma or Zenith -> Animus right now, and that is it. i100 is the top the relic weapon gets at for 2.2. Wait for 2.25 if you want more.

And the interest to get Leviathan weapons rather than relics for your other jobs is simple: Relic needs YOU to do whatever is necessary to do it, using that particular job. Other weapons have no such requirements (I can get myself a i95 Bard weapon, even though my Archer is lv 20, I won't need to do Leviathan HM as Bard to get it).

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Originally Posted by Lemon8or

So.... Leviathan HM is the new farm spot since it drops i95 weapons. Hmmm I bet a lot of Twintania farmers must be raging.

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I doubt it. Besides, people will want to buy Twintania kills simply to move on to the next Coil turns.