Can we turn Echo off please!?

I've been trying for months to get into a static and down Turn 5 Bahamut's Coil at the challenge it's presented at.

Now I am reading they are forcing Echo on 2 weeks after the patch?

CAN WE TURN IT OFF?!

I would like to fight Twintania at her full power. I don't want to be the "guy that beat her post-patch" and I have been playing this game since August just to beat her at the normal challenge. I don't want freebie buffs. I want to win the fight and have the pride of beating her as she is. It's been insanely difficult getting a static and now that I have one finally, now you're handing the victory over with ease.

Is Square Enix catering to casuals and bad players now? Whatever happened to balancing the needs of the community? Even the Extreme primals are getting Echo. What gives!? Let's just spoon feed everyone now.

Can you simply just offer to turn Echo on or off and allow those who beat these trials and dungeons at the original setting and get more bonuses and treasure from completing it? And leave the Echo stuff for those simply wanting to clear things. That is the perfect solution yet I see for something like this.

Square Enix, please tell me I can still somehow fight her as she is? I'm reconsidering my subscription now because I feel like you're catering too much to one side of the crowd of players and not the other.

Yes you can
Just right-click the Echo buff on your bar like you would any buff you want to dispel.

Pretty sure you can just click off the buff. Or at least in story mode you could.

It's been confirmed a while ago that the Echo buff will be optional. And let me address this as I have frequently in the past: one of the biggest challenges of development (especially an MMO) is finding a balance between your casual and high level experiences. If content is too easy, you'll lose high levels, especially the ones who will race to the top then become bored/disappointed. If content is too hard, you'll lose casuals that might one day immerse themselves more at high levels. Each side will get something, but they can't have everything they want.

Also, while I too would enjoy being able to say I overcame a challenge at its hardest, that desire is far from a determining factor when it comes to patches and balance changes.

I don't get it. Once 2.2 is out, Twintania is considered "old stuff", a gate that you need to pass to get to "Da Real Deal Yo". Wouldn't it be better if you can move on as quickly as possible from that.... thing... so you can get to 2nd coil?

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Originally Posted by Raestloz

I don't get it. Once 2.2 is out, Twintania is considered "old stuff", a gate that you need to pass to get to "Da Real Deal Yo". Wouldn't it be better if you can move on as quickly as possible from that.... thing... so you can get to 2nd coil?

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Hey now, that's logical thinking. Don't bring that into the forums.

I didn't know you could click it off... I think I need to make my buff/debuff bar bigger.

I was getting irritated at getting automatically "Echo'd" if I failed a main story fight once. I want to beat it fair and Square, not get "boosted" because I goofed up the first time.

Thanks for the advice there.

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Originally Posted by Razzelmire

I\\'ve been trying for months to get into a static and down Turn 5 Bahamut\\'s Coil at the challenge it\\'s presented at.
I don\\'t want to be the "guy that beat her post-patch" and I have been playing this game since August just to beat her at the normal challenge..

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Lol! You are that guy like many others who have beaten twintania
"Post" patch.
Unless u were part of BG\\'s party when the claimed world\\'s first before the twister nerf patch i think.
I haven\\'t really attempted twin much as i know i don\\'t have time to be in a static and if it\\'s going to be easier to a point it could be handed to me on a silver platter in a few months then..... I might as well wait and just do it after patch 2.2 lol
I\\'m pretty sure echo buff will become a praised thing soon enough as not having it on will just be gimping ur party as it is there to only benefit u.

Also ur logic is really off lol....
You can never ever beat her at her initial release un nerfed full power self anymore.
But having an echo buff on just means ur fighting as a stronger
Version of urself, which means u r still fighting twintania at "her" current version's full power.
Echo buffs effect only you... Not the boss.
That's what i read from the live letter's notes.
Ppl will be all like " gj u beat turn 5, now beat turn 9 and then come back to me" mentality.....
It's all a matter of time.

I don't get why echo has to be on titan hard as titan hard mode is not that hard, it's just players lack of effort to learn rotation.

And I wonder why people think Coil or the Ex fights will become an easy thing everybody can do. You have more hit points, you make more damage, healers heal more, agreed. But you still need to know how you play your class and that is independant from hit points or a bit increased damage. If you can't dodge or understand the mechanics, you might last a few seconds longer because of your hit points but that's pretty much it. Coil for example is a DPS race and Yes, the buff will make it a tad easier and good players will get even faster through it. But some people do not have a damage problem because of their stats or ilevel but because they do not know how to make decent damage and think surviving is enough. It is like a bigger gun in your hand, looks nice but if you don't know how to use it, you won't get much advantage from it.

Also before everybody screams that the World is going to end, how about waiting for the new patch, take a look at what the Echo buff really does for you and then voice your opinions.

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Originally Posted by Razzelmire

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Few month for static, that speaks a lot on your initiative. Echo buff is good cause it will help people that really cannot afford to down twin the normal way to have a better chance of downing her. Being unable to down her prior to this patch is totally your fault, not SE's. They can't be holding back this echo buff just because someone needed A FEW MONTH to find a static group.

Oh one more thing, right now we have bosses with much higher difficulty than Twin. Maybe try to down them quick before SE nerf them or buff us again.

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Originally Posted by GuardianX

I don't get why echo has to be on titan hard as titan hard mode is not that hard, it's just players lack of effort to learn rotation.

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SE wants to push people to the new contents. Issuing Echo on HM allows newbies to go to the "Today's endgame" faster, injecting more new people to do the new contents with

Just dont wipe....