Coil Turn 5 - First pull help

I started working on Turn 5 this week, i am an iLv88 PLD. I struggle with the first pull, or rather to say, i don't understand what goes wrong. I do exectly the same thing and sometimes it works like a charm and sometimes the 3 adds doesn't give a flying F, that i am there and they go straight for 1 specific person waaaay in the back.

Could you help me to tell me an exact strategy, angle to approach, skill order to get all aggro 100% sure all the time?

Shield lob left add > use a defensive cooldown > pause briefly for MT's pull and for adds to gather up > Circle > Flash > Flash > Flash > Flash > Flash > Circle > Flash > Flash, etc.

Im guessing the usual person that gets the aggro from you at the start are either the SMN or SCH. If it is either of these two then it is just a matter of them making sure their pets behave or you wait few seconds after the SCH cast his shield on you before you start the fight.

Also as the OT you should always be the fight initiator in t5.

Facepulling (pulling mobs without using an ability) can be weird in this game. Like another poster said, using a defensive cooldown once all the enemies appear in your enemy list will give you a tiny bit of aggro, just enough to prevent them running after other zero enmity players.

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Originally Posted by Kyras

Facepulling (pulling mobs without using an ability) can be weird in this game. Like another poster said, using a defensive cooldown once all the enemies appear in your enemy list will give you a tiny bit of aggro, just enough to prevent them running after other zero enmity players.

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Shiet learn something new every day, thanks brah.

My group has found that any movement at all tends to get the 3 scourges to aggro onto our bard. We fixed our pulls by having nobody move at all until all monsters aggro'd onto the tank.

Just use a low tier cooldown like Foresight after Twintania and the mobs shoot those aggro arrows at someone then flash once (and don't circle of scorn) so that the MT can provoke Twintania off you without too much hassle. Goodluck!









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Feel free to flash spam after you get into position and the MT has Twintania on him btw. o_o

I face pull and then activate Fight or Flight. Works in 95% of the pulls.

Thanks for the answers.

In the last session it was always a bard who pulled aggro without doing anything. The ridiculous that they are all standing at the top of the slope at least 3 times the distance i can target anyone with shield lob. And i have Succor and Aldoqium active on myself, i would understand if a Scholar would take aggro from me but, thats not the case. The only thing sounds reasonable to me is to pop a CD when they are in reach, because i always used them before I reached down to them. But still everything is decided at first contact, if i was in reach of Twintania, and the 3 scourge are already decided the 3 lines going to me or not. If they were flying above me, flash worth nothing, although it hits them, they fly toward the edge, and give a crap about my flash. I dont really see, how popping a CD in a too late situation changes anything.

I will try using CD in reach of them, but i am not really convinced it will work (Flash also generates hate, for me hate is hate, doesnt really matter the source).

It does work. When you face pull, all the mobs have 0 enmity to any given person in your group. That's why sometimes they go after someone else. By using an ability, and making sure no one else does anything til you have them all, you generate a little bit more than 0, which is enough to take them all onto you. I've done it.

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Originally Posted by ispano

It does work. When you face pull, all the mobs have 0 enmity to any given person in your group. That's why sometimes they go after someone else. By using an ability, and making sure no one else does anything til you have them all, you generate a little bit more than 0, which is enough to take them all onto you. I've done it.

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This. The scourges will pick their own targets if the tank hasn't generated any emnity. A defensive coold down is just enough to get all three to pay attention to you after that first shield lob. Infuriate works for warriors on scourge duty.

A lot of groups do T5 differently...I am in a successful FC that has been downing twin for a few months now. We made a very detailed strat and have a number of videos up as well. We have a detailed main guide and also exerpts written for different classes what they do in each phases. Please check it out, it's helped a number of groups down it so far!!

http://isisfc.org/forum/m/14432477/v...urn-5-isis-way

Our Solo Tank usually just face pulls/with lob and does circle of scorn then flash flash flash. (As someone else suggested) He never has any problems just make sure no one is casting anything prior to him reaching. lol

As the group melee I pre use defense buffs, run in with the tanks and pop the first scourge with something. This removes the trigger happy issue with errant pets when they were not staying in obey (and if they go awal they all come after me anyway 99% of the time)

I run in, aggro, rampart, main tank grabs Twin, the use a few flashes to get aggro on the 3. Like others said the ability used is what will give you the initial aggro.

I told my party this:

Don't turn on ANY buffs before they see a Flash go off. This includes, but is not limited to: Raging Strikes, Quelling Strikes, Divine Seal.

The way it works is when you run in, Twintania runs to you since you are the first person it sees. Not the dragons however - they can also target the nearest unit to them. For example, someone standing on the hill on the far left side might get targeted by the left-most dragon too.

When I've got all 3 of them on me, a single Flash should do it. Never really had a problem with the initial pull since.