Ultima Ballad, why are DPS all terrible? (DF EXPERIENCE)

So, from what I can see after doing this for the last 2 weeks everyday using the dungeon finder is that 90% of the time I will get paired with dps that pretty much wipe the entire raid... how?

1. Do not avoid aoe damage

2. Healers are too busy healing dps

3. Healers are too busy ressing dps

which ends up in a wipe after you're in the lasy 40% and ultima hits like a truck and ur tank dies.

So the only way to farm this is why a fc that has dedicated group?

Because the good DPS aren't doing Ultima's Ballad.

everytime, i see people forming for ultima HM, i always has the same question, why do ultima when you can farm Xm Primal. (except necklace, but i would rather get it from coil or buying myth) most of people i have know will not farm ultima, unless it for helping friend for quest or got bored LOL. imho, if you have time to learn and form ultima, use those to Learn Xm Primal, Titan Xm delay issue can be overcome by moving a head of time and hang back behind your team so you only get hit by 1 plume.

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Originally Posted by Remn

everytime, i see people forming for ultima HM, i always has the same question, why do ultima when you can farm Xm Primal.

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Well...

Besides the Chokers (which several are actually really good; Healing is the only one with Spell Speed and Striking is behind only the Allagan Striking right now, unless you need the Accuracy, Aiming has Acc where the i90 do not), some Rings are actually very useful, especially in no-acc content. The Fending Ring can be argued to be better than even the Hero's Ring when no Acc is needed (and it is MUCH better than the Vortex Fending), the Healing Ring is, again, the only one with SS, and the Casting Ring is just good all-around (again, in no-Acc content especially) The Aiming accessories go in the other direction, having Acc where the i90 do not (Allagan Aiming Ring from T5 being the exception), so can still be very useful there.

Yes, normally you will just go i90>i80, but there are cases where the i80 is better. Its only 2 points off the main stat, and in some cases the secondaries make up for it (again, look at the Striking Choker; its weighted better than the i90 versions with Accuracy [Allagan Maiming and Hero's], but is behind the one with no Acc [Allagan Striking])

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Originally Posted by Maximilious

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The case is solved.

Because its DF. People generally use DF to practice fights rather than clearing them. If you have intentions to actually farm ultima you should use the party finder.

Again..

It's DF. I'm confused to why players go into DF, expecting to consistently clear content one shots, whatever. It was never made for that reason. Want to farm for your Ultima loot? Time to use PF, build a LS etc. Expecting to do so via DF, is only making sure you'll be disappointed.

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Originally Posted by HulveinBlitz

Again..

It's DF. I'm confused to why players go into DF, expecting to consistently clear content one shots, whatever. It was never made for that reason. Want to farm for your Ultima loot? Time to use PF, build a LS etc. Expecting to do so via DF, is only making sure you'll be disappointed.

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Tell me more about it. Titan HM days anyone?

The people you are meeting in DF probably don't know the fight that well and are dying to silly things they would easily avoid if they knew what to do. The fight itself is pretty simple if you know what to do, but would seem chaotic if you didn't. Healers can also be new, but they have the benefit of healing themselves immediately if they mess up... so healers are much less likely to die, but it does still happen.

Keep in mind that tanks should be using cooldowns at moments when they know healers will be busy (even without people messing up), such as when magiteks are out and the meteors are about to drop. It's not so much that healers are too busy healing others at this point, but they are forced to dodge the magitek beams while healing the tanks, which can make them a little delayed if they are avoiding as they should be.

Tanks, healers, and DPS should all have Ultima on focus target. Knowing when he's going to purge or pushback is very helpful.

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

Tanks, healers, and DPS should all have Ultima on focus target. Knowing when he's going to purge or pushback is very helpful.

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Tanks are the only ones who should not. They should have each other on FT and almost always be targeting Ultima (well, DPS should be targeting him too, but they have to kill adds; tanks don't have to, and if stacks are weird they should probably stay on the boss)

All the good players completely farmed this fight months ago, also usually in my pts its the tanks and healers that suck (when I actually ran it)

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Tanks are the only ones who should not. They should have each other on FT and almost always be targeting Ultima (well, DPS should be targeting him too, but they have to kill adds; tanks don't have to, and if stacks are weird they should probably stay on the boss)

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Alright, I guess in a tank's case they have a choice... they can either have Ultima as the FT or the other tank as the FT, but truly they can do it either way since you can see stacks on the party bar. The only reason FT would be slightly better is because you can see the exact timing on stacks if you are unfamiliar with it yourself. When I do this fight as a healer, I am constantly watching the tank stacks on the party bar (same with stacks in Garuda extreme) so I think it's more than possible to do it that way as well.

I actually farmed ultima for the choker. I wanted to go ahead and farm garuda, which I think is even easier than ultima ( at least for bard lol ), but most parties in pf were ilvl 80+ and wouldn't accept me at 78 or even at 79 when I would /tell them that I was short ilvl but had full experience.

And I think my choker is pretty damn good too. All that crit rate omnom.

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everytime, i see people forming for ultima HM, i always has the same question, why do ultima when you can farm Xm Primal. (except necklace, but i would rather get it from coil or buying myth) most of people i have know will not farm ultima, unless it for helping friend for quest or got bored LOL. imho, if you have time to learn and form ultima, use those to Learn Xm Primal, Titan Xm delay issue can be overcome by moving a head of time and hang back behind your team so you only get hit by 1 plume.

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I farmed Ultima HM for a casting ring for my mage (second job).
No myth tomes, as all of them go to main job. No Coil drops because RNG hates me.
Can't get into PF Titan Ex grp with ilvl < 80 (at least, most groups require 85, which is too much even for my main job).
Also, Ultima is so much easier than Titan Ex...

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All the good players completely farmed this fight months ago

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So all those fresh-new Steam players are bad, right?

Well, aside from it being a DF experience I wonder how much experience the OP has with the Minstrel's ballad.

Looking up his character on the lodestone (assuming that that is his main) he's still quite new to the game and perhaps he doesn't know that this fight has a lot of unavoidable AoE attacks like Tank Purge, Aetheric Boon and the crashing airships.
While the fight is not too hard for groups that know the fight well, it is still a very intense fight that needs good coordination.

Apart from that, he's saying that Ultima is starting to hit like a truck at a certain moment so I am wondering if the tanks are managing their stacks right and swap consistently.

Ultima hitting like a truck is more likely than not referring specifically to Diffractive Laser, which does not start getting used until later on in the fight

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Ultima hitting like a truck is more likely than not referring specifically to Diffractive Laser, which does not start getting used until later on in the fight

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Oh yeah, I forgot about that one.

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Originally Posted by FurryFury

So all those fresh-new Steam players are bad, right?

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So far yes

I've farmed Ultima for both healer drops, both caster drops, and the tank choker. Still need the tank ring.

DPSing on Ultima is actually really bloody hard, especially for melee and for BLM. He throws so much crap at you so fast that it can't help but either break your rotation constantly or press on you until you get hit.

Perfect example is my BLM. It's i82, with Ultima Choker and Ring, Allagan Ring and Earrings, Crimson and DL gear. I built it up partly from SMNs hand-me-downs and its been good enough to clear up through T4. I got called out in an Ultima run the other day for doing crap DPS, and got told the old "l2p" bit by one of the tanks. Ultima doesn't hit super hard, except for Diff. Laser, but you still have to move to not soak up all the healers MP. Moving breaks rotations, which nerfs DPS.

Every now and then I'll get a good grp in ultima DF.

Otherwise it's people who go full retard on ifrit part and lasers(magitek bits) and run like scared ants. Like just move a little to the left and atk/heal, a little to the right and atk/heal. Too many times I see so much unnecessary movement. Makes me give up on DFing Ultima as a tank really.

Let me just clarify that as a tank (and new player) I am currently at i73 and I have run this for the last week and a half on a daily basis. Even tho it it not required for tanks to move away from the aoe that spawn on the ground after garuda I ALWAYS AVOID ANY TYPE OF AOE AVOIDABLE DAMAGE. After garuda is done I move to a spot (my personal sweet spot) for when ifrit shows up that I do not have to move until the last aoe hits in which I just simply step outside the circle then come back. I have this fight memorized in my brains after doing it for so long, but as many as you guys have said people get confused at the adds and ifrit phase. Also, when I said ultima starts hitting like a truck at about 40% I meant his laser attack which does around 2.5k damage right after a 1.5k tank purge (or pretty close to it)

Bard's Ultima accessories are in some ways better than their i90 counterparts because of the accuracy.

I done Ultima few times only ( no need to do it more than that lol ) both was DF wins . Idk how it goes now , but at release ppl's def DF'ed it and win w/o problem , same was for moogle ;0

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Originally Posted by Remn

everytime, i see people forming for ultima HM, i always has the same question, why do ultima when you can farm Xm Primal. (except necklace, but i would rather get it from coil or buying myth) most of people i have know will not farm ultima, unless it for helping friend for quest or got bored LOL. imho, if you have time to learn and form ultima, use those to Learn Xm Primal, Titan Xm delay issue can be overcome by moving a head of time and hang back behind your team so you only get hit by 1 plume.

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Some of us 'are' prefectionist and want to have every fight on record just in case you need said fight for future xpacs.

Tanked everything in the game using my trusty Ultima Choker and Ring of Fending. Also the BGM fits really well with the fight, and the whole thing is just pretty fun. Way more fun than garuda EX.