Souls of the primals (Extreme) - Upgrading Primal weapons to ilevel 85/90

As for the relic weapon it would be nice if it would be possible to upgrade your existing primal weapon (e.g. Ifrits or garudas to ilevel 85/90) by killing the extreme versions of the primes.

For example Garuda drops "a soulstone of wind" to upgrade one of your garuda weapon. (besides jewlery drops of course)


On the other hand it would be more attractive again to kill the "normal versions" first to farm the weapons.. and afterwards the extreme versions to receive a soul stone.


what do you think about it?


- giving incentives to play older content
- more item variety (different stats)

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

As for the relic weapon it would be nice if it would be possible to upgrade your existing primal weapon (e.g. Ifrits or garudas to ilevel 85/90) by killing the extreme versions of the primes.

For example Garuda drops "a soulstone of wind" to upgrade one of your garuda weapon. (besides jewlery drops of course)


On the other hand it would be more attractive again to kill the "normal versions" first to farm the weapons.. and afterwards the extreme versions to receive a soul stone.


what do you think about it?

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isnt getting i90 weapon of choice after killing all 3 extreme primals enough?

Honestly i90 is about to be pointless. Soon we'll be over i100 or probably even 110. So maybe at that point it would be nice as some sort of method to get higher tier weapons. Maybe.

I agree. more horizontal progression (ie, more il90 weapon choice to attack new content) would really be a good idea

More horizontal progression of any kid would be great.

I think for the folks that already have an i90 weapon, yeah, it won't matter as much.

Wouldn't mind if the Rowena tokens could be used to buy the EX accessories in 2.2 or later.

As everyone already said; it's pointless since you already get an item for beating the primals every week that's i90.

I feel there should be good vertical progression but it should take time to go up a tier and at each step have horizontal progression to become good enough to be able to step up to the next tier but that would be hard to put in and I don't really have an idea of how they would do it :/

Since we're getting vanity next patch, we could put the Primal weapon skin on a weapon of any iLv.

However, I do think new Primal weapons with particle effects like the Zenith weapons might be cool, like Ifrit weapons that are actually flaming.

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Originally Posted by Royal

More horizontal progression of any kid would be great.

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You can only rehash the same stats on a weapon so many times before they start using stats that are plain rubbish on a job. My DRG needs more piety! /cough

Since Yoshi doesn't want to use effect status on weapons they only have so many options for each weapon. And even if they did add effects those would have to be limited to. Can't have %stun on a weapon or it might proc during a battle when you don't want it too, which then would cause the mob to grow resistance. The same goes for a few other effects.

Whether we like it or not, SE is going with the vertical progression for most new content.

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Originally Posted by Errors

Whether we like it or not, SE is going with the vertical progression for most new content.

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This is pretty much it, I doubt we will get more variety than what we have now, and they don't like the chance on hit things like we had in 1.0, like the stars when the moogle weapons proc'd was awesome, but if they don't want to add in those, I believe they should pony up some cash and pay for some rights to add sound to some weapons, like a monk weapon where everytime they hit 3 stacks of Greased Lightning, you get John Travolta proc where everyone hears "Ohhhhhh Greased Lightning!" Or a staff where whenever a black mage crits, you get to hear George Takei with his "Oh my!"

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Originally Posted by Mcshiggs

like a monk weapon where everytime they hit 3 stacks of Greased Lightning, you get John Travolta proc where everyone hears "Ohhhhhh Greased Lightning!" Or a staff where whenever a black mage crits, you get to hear George Takei with his "Oh my!"

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Ha! I wouldn't be able to stop laughing. XD

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Originally Posted by Crimson-Falcon

isnt getting i90 weapon of choice after killing all 3 extreme primals enough?

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eh well the thing is... you have a bigger choice of which weapon you could chose from.. as well different ways to get your weapon you want to. instead of doing just one highend instance over and over again.

with different stats and appearance..

more individualism you know? i myself like the idea to equip my blm with more +crit stats than for example +casting speed..


how boring is it that everybody wears the same setup in the highend level?


fighting ifrit hardmode is quiet senseless now.. because the weapons are ilevel 60..


so why not giving the people the option to upgrade these by killing extreme ifrit? oh i know... that would be a bigger variety than just one ilevel 90 weapon per class... -.- oh dear.


i myself think that its a little bit dull to continue the item circle by just throwing away old staff.. instead of being able to upgrade them.. and giving incentives to play older content.


i wonder how people can complain about more item variety (which raises more individualism and complexity)... "isnt one ilevel 90 weapon enough per class?"

OMG... and that got 7 likes.

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Originally Posted by BlueMage

Since we're getting vanity next patch, we could put the Primal weapon skin on a weapon of any iLv.

However, I do think new Primal weapons with particle effects like the Zenith weapons might be cool, like Ifrit weapons that are actually flaming.

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its not just about the looks.. also the stats... if i am focused to push for example the crit rate for my blm... its pointless that for example the AF2 armor has all but +crit stats on it..


the same for the ilevel 90 weapon which we can get... so it is NOT pointless to have different ilevel 90 weapons. of course it is if you dont mind to play clone wars II (concerning the stats)

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

its not just about the looks.. also the stats... if i am focused to push for example the crit rate for my blm... its pointless that for example the AF2 armor has all but +crit stats on it..


the same for the ilevel 90 weapon which we can get... so it is NOT pointless to have different ilevel 90 weapons. of course it is if you dont mind to play clone wars II (concerning the stats)

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Calm down. I didn't say anything about it being "pointless to have different ilevel 90 weapons" and I dunno where you're getting that from other than paranoid defensiveness. We already have multiple i90 weapons (such as Zenith and EX weapons) and I foresee there being more than 1 weapon per iLv tier in the future as well. I fail to see why that means they need to rehash the Primal weapons again.

I like this idea. Gives more of a variety, while also a different way to get the weapon.

Would be great if these particular weapons, since they were upgraded, would have a 2% - 5% chance of proc'ing with a DoT (wind, fire, something-for-Titan-since-sluggish-movement-wouldn't-make-sense) though still remain i85 or MAYBE i90.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

I agree. more horizontal progression (ie, more il90 weapon choice to attack new content) would really be a good idea

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Horizontal progression is an illusion in any MMO as long as theory crafters exist.

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Originally Posted by Fayto

Horizontal progression is an illusion in any MMO as long as theory crafters exist.

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theory is theory. I get the gear I like above all, and it doesn't matter if it isn't BiS