VOTE ABANDON

There is probably a thread about this already but I couldn't find one so here goes

This system is broken IMHO we were in CT and wiped twice on KB, vote abandon came up at least 5 of my party (including me voted no) majority voted yes and we were kicked out.

I would rather of had those who voted yes leave (with no penalty) if enough voted and the rest be allowed to stay.

A suggestion would be
If abandon vote passes give those who voted not to abandon the option to stay ie
"ABANDON HAS PASSED XYZ MEMBERS ARE LEAVING WOULD YOU LIKE TO STAY/REFORM PARTY"

This simple addition would of saved us wasting over 2 hours from original queue time to when we got back in.
am I being unreasonable what do you guys think?
EDIT:-
Had a sort of similar experience the other day
Was in CT and 75% of our players got booted out (90k error I presume) anyway we were down to 5 players across all alliances, within 5 minutes we were full again and ready to go, I presume that if my idea was implemented it would refill (through refusal to abandon)just as quick.

I understand there are times when abandon is useful but on those occasions you can always chose NO when it asks ....STAY AND REFORM PARTY

Hmm no responses so far either I'm miles off on my objection or people agree and have nothing to add?

I think the vote for abandon needs to be there only when there is either 15 minutes left or in dungeons not CT you dont have a full party and DF isnt picking you up a replacement

I don't know of many players that are going to stay in a CT group when they join and see that only 11 ppl are actually in the dungeon (because the majority that voted to abandon have left). I would immediately leave because since the alliance is less than 50% full I would have no penalty for leaving. As with most CT threads I'm guessing you are using DF and not joining a PF group or starting your own. By doing that you are accepting the baggage that comes along with DF woes. Like you said. If you hadn't wasted so much time including your que time it wouldn't be a big deal and you wouldn't have made this thread.

edit: Oh yeah and the only people that the server is going to fill into your alliance are those that click "Join in Progress" and again nobody does that. So it would probably take longer than a normal que time to refill your ranks.

I think this thread intents were not what I took out of it. Vote Abandon, its a real issue in the game and especially DF groups. People use the Abandon button too loosely in this game and I feel there now needs to be a penalty for Abandoning when the dungeon could still be completed.

Though Vote Abandon is nice sometimes...i.e. when there is someone just can't figure out the fight.

But it gets used way too often. Part of the reason to play MMOs is accomplish something against all odds. I remember my first Titan HM win was with 5 minutes left on the clock (before Vote Abandon was around) and that was the most satisfying win I've ever had in game.

I guess now though people would rather be carried through content than work through it.

The ready check and vote systems are implemented really poorly and can be used to grief players or skip the intended penalties for leaving. I have seen this way too much and from normal players as well who have just accepted it like its normal and use it as well.

During hydra two people forgot to equip their unfinished weapon, one was nice and stayed anyway while the other kept asking if we would requeue, everyone agreed to but after the first fight. He wouldnt accept this so he spamed vote abandon on us. While we fought he kept asking us to kick him and refusing to help. So he wouldnt accept his mistake and help and he wouldnt take the 30 min lockout.

Also have seen tanks self d/cing if you dont agree to vote abandon or kick them when they want to leave. I wanted to stick around so they had to take the penalty but someone else took it after tank dc himself lol

I very much find the ready check system annoying, lol.
Also one of the other groups was doing on purpose in Ct yesterday to have all groups wipe on behemoth yesterday so glad there is a abandon option in there.
wow i hate CT now

Yesterday we had such a troll in CT who started vote abandon before any pull so it looked like a readycheck...

I think what we really need is to be able to see WHO initiated those votes (readycheck too) to identify trolls.
Vote abandon could also need a 2 to 10 min Cooldown to prevent abuse...

There should also be a more visible difference between the vote abandon and readycheck windows (the ones to click yes/no).

Edit:
Read OP again and i think i am a little off topic sry ;)
I think the reason you may not stay in the duty with half the group is that they don't want you stay in there for 30 minutes blocking the dungeon-Slot waiting to refill 10+ Players - and this is perfectly reasonable from a technical standpoint where these dungeon-slots are limited

Umm... I ALWAYS queue for CT as a Join in Progress.... Even if I dont get the loot I want, At least I get the 50 tomes and the Philo's too. 3 or 4 In progress joins and I am halfway capped for the week.

Im also the person that will greed on practically everything so I dont need to keep doing the cluster F that CT actually is...

So I am in total agreement with the OP.... Plenty of people queue JIP for CT for the same reasons that I do, It is kinda rude that an entire alliance can vote abandon, and that is close enough to a majority as long as 3 others between the other alliance do as well.... and it really ruins it for everyone

"Vote Abandon" should be renamed "Leave Pharos Sirius".

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Originally Posted by Spoekes

Yesterday we had such a troll in CT who started vote abandon before any pull so it looked like a readycheck...

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So you stayed in a CT group that sat doing nothing for 15 mins before the very first pull? And then they waited for the timer and voted to abandon? I would have done the same if an entire alliance didnt do anything for 15 minutes.

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Originally Posted by Andevom

"Vote Abandon" should be renamed "Leave Pharos Sirius".

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Although it wasn't a vote abandon, the other day I got Pharos Sirius in DF. Tank engaged the first trash mob, but the other DD left. So after first trash mob was done, the tank and healer quit too. So i decided to cue up replace members... only to watch DF assign people and they immediately leave.. lol.

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Originally Posted by randomrope

So you stayed in a CT group that sat doing nothing for 15 mins before the very first pull? And then they waited for the timer and voted to abandon? I would have done the same if an entire alliance didnt do anything for 15 minutes.

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umm... what?!
don't know what you want from me.
People are ready checking 3 times before pulls since the feature arrived and trolls can do the abandon between that.
You can see a difference (size, text) but seriously i always pray the others don't just click yes without paying attention.

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Originally Posted by Spoekes

umm... what?!
don't know what you want from me.
People are ready checking 3 times before pulls since the feature arrived and trolls can do the abandon between that.
You can see a difference (size, text) but seriously i always pray the others don't just click yes without paying attention.

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Oh, you said vote abandon which has a timer before it can be used. Ready checks don't have a timer. I just took your comment too literal.

I was in a group getting trolled by the ready check throughout every fight. Someone finally said in alliance chat "everyone select no so we can kick/report who is trolling." Big surprise when the ready check box didn't come up again once the entire run. Now when I see people starting to troll I select no and ask everyone else to do the same.

I really think that "Vote Abandon" should be locked until:

- There has been at least 4 wipes of the party.
or
- There are less than the required amount of party members and 10 minutes has elapsed.

That will prevent elitists from calling a vote abandon after 1-2 wipes and also prevent prevent other trolls.

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Originally Posted by Nakiamiie

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While browsing the forums tonight, this is the 2nd post of yours which I have come across that I really like.

As for my two cents, I'm glad I'm not in your servers, folks. I have never had an issue with Vote Abandon or Ready Check being used improperly over in Mateus. I mean, it helps that most of the time I can get 2 or 3 people from the fantastic FC that I'm part of, but even when I'm just on DF for CT or AK, I never have any issues. The worst problem I ever had was some douche Tank hanging back until a fight was finished, and after the 3rd time we kicked him and he was replaced by someone more competent.

However, i do see the potential based on what you guys are saying, and what Nakiamiie suggested above seems like a great alternative that SE can logistically implement without an issue.

I think it is best redo all from scratch. At least, you can do something else while waiting for groups to fill.

Lol I'm actually from mateus server too ... What's your fc name? I'm in Moogle mafia (kupo).
I wonder if we ever grouped together?