How to allow DoH to have a bigger role in the game

why not implement a system that makes crafters more important...intertwine both dungeon and crafting systems...for example you get unique material drops that cannot be traded if you beat say T5 or a Primal EX which would only drop if u had a lvl 50 Miner/fisher/botanist which in turn can be used to make unique weapons (lvl 50 DoH) by using unique materials and at the same time preserves the unique rarity of such weapons and still gives importance to the dungeons/raids/trials and boosts the need for a DoH to make unique and perhaps better weapons
i know that relic weapons has a similar theme but there is only the need for the DoH to meld the materia...and that's all, but by implementing such a feature ..people will have a variety of weapons with different statues the best suits their play-style..

so what do u guys think??..i don't want Troll posts ,just your Constructive opinion

I like where you're going with this...

It would be nice if there were craftable items that the crafter had to get from the dungeon himself. Currently anyone can use tomes to buy the ilv 70 crafting materials... so the crafter doesn't have to run the dungeon himself. Take Rose Gold jewlery for example... have the same recipe, PLUS an untradeable ingredient from a dungeon (Copperbell!!!) and make it five levels higher - so there's an incentive for crafters to run dungeons? Perhaps ingredients could come from fates or pvp as well. This or other gear could also be untradable. Perhaps the same "Rose Gold" recipe could be altered differently by using differnt dungeon drops?

Currently the Rose Gold jewlery I make is exactly the same as the Rose Gold someone else makes. There's nothing unique you can make yourself, and very little customization.

Let us repair the gear on other people as well! I cannot wrap my head around the reasoning behind removing that feature...

and u can also make Ilvl 90/100 legendary with many different status for different people and these weapons can only be made .by let's say.legendary materials which are only dropped by say primal EX and T1-T5,u use like 5 or 6 of them to make your very own unique weapon which can be ilvl90 or even ilvl100 (since u know ..doing all the coils and extremes to collect those materials is pretty damn hard.isnt gonna worth it if it's not the best)

There's this weird assumption that crafters don't already run dungeons. I don't really understand why that is, but it's prevalent in this thread too. Given that combat classes account for most of the game, most people who craft already run dungeons. However, the reverse isn't as true. People who run dungeons might not have crafting levelled.

For that reason, we need to work backwards and have items which can be only claimed from dungeons but require the work of crafters to build. Bring in a system where you can craft FOR other people without them needing to trade rare items. Make the dungeon drops untradeable and unsellable so they need to be claimed personally. Also, I agree with the above poster... bring back player repairs.

One thing I would like to see is upgradeable weaponry. Items which are crafted and then enhanced by various crafts during its lifetime. You could take a sword, for example, complete some dungeons and then enhance that sword with one of the dungeon drops. In doing so, there could be branching paths with various different stat bonuses. Do you go for the vitality sword or the strength sword?

FFXI had a great system for this where you did various quests with your weapon to enhance them and ultimately make a very powerful weapon rivalling any single drop in the game. FFXIV could do something similar, but bring crafters into the process to give us a lot more purpose.

u are actually the only one that understood what i meant

edit: or at least what iam aiming at (monster hunter much?)

We had that. Kind of. In 1.0.

Fact is, the whole 1.0 bundl failed. So we get what we got. Sadly.

Sadly DoH aren't much involved in the game. After finishing the main quest line for any DoH, the only thing available is the market which is at stagnate due to various reasons.

I think the lack of customisation is really what's hurting DoH role in the game. Introducing special effects to crafted gears will make my monk for example different from the other monk standing beside me. These special effects don't have to be game breaking but they can be helpful such as enhancing a weapon to add a 5% chance to inflict poison or an armor that can cast slow for 15sec on target when HP is lower than 50% every 30sec. Now the requirements for such enhancements can be rare items which are acquired through normal monsters (low drops), bosses and DoL (similar to treasure maps). I believe this will create more influx to the market and expand the interaction.

Of course I want to go through end game, materia, ELEMENTS and more topics but I feel I should leave it at here.

What i would do is remove some stats from ALL unique/personnal equipment (from dunjon and token etc), and made them meldable. This could give a boost to economy without changing the current strengh of said equipment (same cap, but with materia to get there). This would boost materia economy, people would buy/craft more equipment to materialise etc...

But i also like the idea of upgrading weapon. There's a bit of it with some craft (alchemist : books for Arcanist, staffs for Conjurer) but it should be for dunjon drops too (with a "crafting for others"/"ask for craft" option)

More over, make repair useful :
- you don't need to change to the crafting class to repair something (as long as you have the level in said class).
- move Carbonize and Dark matter to the crystal tab of inventory (this use far too much space to be useful)
- Make a better UI to repair (same as the one from NPC, with "repair all") EDIT : in fact it's here, you need to use the repair menu but you still need to change in the specific craft class to repair
- remove repair NPC
OR make them far more expensive
AND/OR made their repair 10% less than max for each repair (first repair on max 90%; second max 80% etc until you repair by a crafter)
AND/OR add dark matter to the NPC repair.

Lots of little change that would make a lot of things better.

I agree it's sad that the game

There's a lot SE could do, like:
- Crafting/Gathering dungeons: Take existing dungeons and make objectives for a party of DoL/DoH to complete together. You'd start with no material at all so gatherers would have to farm mats and shards while crafters would craft dungeon specific recipes to progress in the dungeon (just like gathering leves have you gather mats only found/used in the leve quest). you could even add mobs so it become a sneaking mission and they would be low lvl enough for people to actually "fight". Rewards would be rare mats from coffers (that you'd have to open by crafting the proper key or meeting the requirement to get to the room) + exp boost to level your class (or achievements).

- Crafting/Gathering Fates: get everyone entering the fate gather/craft a certain amount of items in a time limit. Reward would be exp boost.
- More customization for gear: I like being able to apply certain effects (poison, slow, resistance, etc) or it could just be cosmetics like gold/glow effect dyes that would be untradable (so only you can apply it to a gear that you'd be selling on the market).

We have a good crafting/gathering system, but it's really being under-used at the moment.

Limit the number of DoH class one character can level. But then again, it would break the main attraction of this game.

And also, FFS stop selling crafted materials from NPC (I'm looking at you Beast Tribe).

I always thought it would be a good idea to have dungeons or instanced events specific to crafters and gatherers, like a dungeon made for them.

Maple Story has already done this for gathering, sort of. In Maplestory they have instanced areas for low level gathering, but they aren't really dungeons and you don't have to party with anyone. SE could do this but have it be more elaborate and comparable to combat dungeons, and instead of bosses there could be tougher gathering/crafting challenges, while between bosses would be easier gathering and crafting requirements.

Back in 1.0, there's content called Hamlet Defense, which also drops beastcoins needed to start relic reborn. They also drops militia tools & gears which are nowadays can be crafted.

And to achieve that, need full party consisting of almost every disciples, since usually disciples of war are not really needed.

But most of all, DoH/DoL are very important because they are the key that decide the survivability of that Hamlet Defense. Even popular setting for full party usually needs 2 or even 3 DoH. Majority setting usually are 1 tank (not really needed, even whm can replace this), 2/3 whm, 2/3 DoH, & 2 DoL.

More information can be found here.

I'm still waiting this content making a return, since back then SE didn't say this one will be omitted.

other than melding i dont see how you can get crafters more invovled in end game. . in regards to primals weapons. instead of handing the weapon directly to the player. they could change it to something similar to the relic quest.

craters make the base weapon: from mats gathered from CT/dungoen chests
special materias you get from each primal.
special catalyst can only be obtained from coil. (those pointless turn1 chests or put them in turn3?)

to get the ex primal weapon you need the base weapon+melded 3 special materia+the correct catalyst.

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