I think there should be a server for just LEET's?( half joking)

Half joking - Half serious.
What if there were a server where all those "ELITE" players go. That way they can have their "one shot your out", "no ppl with manga names",..etc.....
Also once you consider yourself good enough u migrate over and cant come back for atleast 6-8 months
It could be called "Leet Haxor Pwnr Server". The other severs would be called "Lets have fun Server"

Lol inb4 all the baddies join the 1337 server to get carried or buy some Titanz kills.


Relax it is a joke.

On the more serious half, I don't know why people think "elite" players DON'T have fun. One could say they put up 1-shot / 2 death rules to avoid people ruining their fun

the problem is that not that they cant have fun . The problem is the people who cant are the ones who bark the loudest and can ruin it for 7 other people. That means for everyone that is that stereotype they can effect 7 times the number of people who is trying to have fun. it more about like mindness and helping people find their own like minded friends.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

On the more serious half, I don't know why people think "elite" players DON'T have fun. One could say they put up 1-shot / 2 death rules to avoid people ruining their fun

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It depends who you talk to, some people say "elite" players ruin other people's fun with instant kicks on one death, doesn't matter how it happens, lag etc, preventing people doing content (and yes it does happen, just look at the party finder) Others would say some of the insane gear requirements (hello people who say full AF is under geared for WP) And then there are people who expect carries, "LFM for first run of Thornmarch" "LFM highly experienced Thornmarch party" which would you join?

All of these are barriers that prevent, and would sometimes cause a brick wall for new players.

I aren't taking sides, just adding another side of the argument.

I thought that's what legacy servers were for. j/k but yeah. lol

Because segregation is a good thing. /sarcasm

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Originally Posted by Delsus

I aren't taking sides, just adding another side of the argument.

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I've always joined learning parties when I was doing just that - learning.
The problem is that elite and casual don't like playing with each other as they both ruin each other's fun *for the most part. For that reason these two types of players are incompatible, so I think it would be in everyone's best interest if people used party finder to find like-minded players and there is nothing wrong with that.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

I've always joined learning parties when I was doing just that - learning.
The problem is that elite and casual don't like playing with each other as they both ruin each other's fun *for the most part. For that reason these two types of players are incompatible, so I think it would be in everyone's best interest if people used party finder to find like-minded players and there is nothing wrong with that.

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You just need to look at the party finder, to see how things are, one death kick parties can out number more casual parties up to 20 to one at times. I can see where elite players come from getting sick of people dying all the time. But sometimes the parties can be impossible to enter for new or more casual players. Casual =/= bad.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

You just need to look at the party finder, to see how things are, one death kick parties can out number more casual parties up to 20 to one at times

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Unfortunately this is a community issue that people think in order to get a good party you need to set up these rules. More people should make party finder groups that cater to their mentality instead of complaining that there are none because that doesn't help. There are plenty of people, including myself, who would join if they saw that "Until we complete the duty" checked.

And yes, I understand casual =/= bad in the same way elitist =/= good but my sentiment is more towards player mentality. "One wipe and that's it" is more of an elitist mindset and "We wiped, but that's ok let's keep going until we win" is more of a casual mindset and this is what I mean.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

More people should make party finder groups that cater to their mentality instead of complaining that there are none because that doesn't help.

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This.

This way we wouldn't have this kind of threads. The feeling that I get is that a person prefer to come and complain they don't have a PF group that accept him than start their own group and find people with the same problem so they can help each other. The feeling that I get is that people that complain about those "l337" group instead of making their own, don't really believe in what they say, they're just upset because they wanted to join a group full with people that already know the fight to get a kill. The feeling that I get is that people should reall stop complaining and go help themselves, instead of talk about people who really don't care if the complainer have got their kill for the week or not, because the time people are wasting QQing on the forums, those "l33ts" got to finish their primal weekly.

PS: that's just my opinion based on the kind of arguments I see in these forums. I have my static and keep distance from DF and PF as much as possible, although I do love joining learning groups just to give some help with whatever information I can.

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Originally Posted by devilzpawn

Half joking - Half serious.
What if there were a server where all those "ELITE" players go. That way they can have their "one shot your out", "no ppl with manga names",..etc.....
Also once you consider yourself good enough u migrate over and cant come back for atleast 6-8 months
It could be called "Leet Haxor Pwnr Server". The other severs would be called "Lets have fun Server"

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LMFAO. Is that a thing? Hahaha. As in, do people actually write that in PF? That is hilarious.

Technically this would be impossible, since there is no such thing as an "elite" player without it's opposite. On any server you're going to have a variety of players, which is a good thing.

What happens when you reach a status higher than elite? Elite Extreme server?

ppl with manga names are not hardcore? to me this whole things a joke hahaha good one

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

More people should make party finder groups that cater to their mentality instead of complaining that there are none because that doesn't help.

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I do agree with this, however more casuals prefer to use the DF where possible, it takes no effort, and depending on your class it can be really fast (less than 5 mins for healers in leveling dungeons) and that ends up leaving PF for players who want one shot kills, and others have to either find a like-minded FC or submit to the randomness of DF.

Is this not why they have link shells and FC? can't you just make a FC and or link shell for players with all i90 gear or for the most hardcore?:confused:

That would solve nothing as not all the 1337 players are created equal. But it sure would be fun trying to outE-peen themselves :rolleyes: Kindergarten all over again, with hair pulling and all xD

Ah.... people bring me infinite joy :3

i actually dont have a problem helping people learn fights and regularly join Titan Hm groups just to help out even tho i dont need anything at all from the encounter. what i do have a problem with is having my groups constantly spoiled by people who clearly dont understand the mechanics of a fight well enough to "farm" it

please people for the love of all that is holy, stop joining groups labeled as farm, weekly or experienced if you arent confident in your ability to stay alive at least 90% of the time. farm groups are for people that have cleared the content and that understand the mechanics well enough that they can kill the boss with ease numerous times with very few mistakes. if you cant do this then please stop wasting people time

i was never an elitist until i started doing ex primal groups and started spending hours being held back by people who A. cant read and B. havent put in practice necessary to actually farm something

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Originally Posted by devilzpawn

Half joking - Half serious.
What if there were a server where all those "ELITE" players go. That way they can have their "one shot your out", "no ppl with manga names",..etc.....
Also once you consider yourself good enough u migrate over and cant come back for atleast 6-8 months
It could be called "Leet Haxor Pwnr Server". The other severs would be called "Lets have fun Server"

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Why not have normal servers, and then "Can't hack it servers" so people that can't dodge weight of the land can all go be on the same server together, and not have to worry about being the one that holds the group back, the whole group could hold the group back. As I am typing this, I realize this would never fly, the servers would go empty with no one there to carry you.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

You just need to look at the party finder, to see how things are, one death kick parties can out number more casual parties up to 20 to one at times. I can see where elite players come from getting sick of people dying all the time. But sometimes the parties can be impossible to enter for new or more casual players. Casual =/= bad.

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Nothing is stopping casual players from making their own parties. I made a learning group for Garuda EX because I couldn't find one for myself - and a whole two people joined after 1h. Do you know what that tells me? Most "casuals" are looking for carries, groups they think have a good chance at winning despite picking up an inexperienced player - and those groups happen to be the ones with the kick rules. No surprise that there would be whining over it.

i think everybody here has valid points. it will probably never work then who knows. It could be a tier to test yourself. But that is the opinion of one person. I for one would love to play with bunch of losers than with one know it all kinda bullyish type player. Oh well, ty all for civilized responses or even jokingly responses. I enjoy these real responses and opinions and not the ur stupid gtfo I only matter responses. ( and to ninthfantasy, i have seen it before as well as it being in shouts, this has happened. Of all communities I would of assumed people who enjoy playing in a fantasy setting would be open to that kind of stuff).