Arrow Prices!

Has anyone else noticed how overpriced stacks of higher ranked arrows have become on the servers?

In Besaid silver arrows sell for like 90k per stack! Other types are just as bad for price. Does SE really want all archers to have to rank up 3-4 different crafting classes just to make our own arrows?

Or is this all a simple matter of crafters being greedy? :mad:

I'm ranking up classes for arrows for pretty much this exact reason.

The trend I'm seeing, however, is that a lot of people just use Warped Arrows for leveling, and don't bother busting out the stronger ones except for NMs and other particularly challenging content.

100K a stack for red arrows? no thanks...

we do lots of NM runs and i'll go through stacks and stacks of arrows a day

Mysidia has 35K average for a stack of Silver Arrows and 50K for Red Arrows.

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Originally Posted by AdaraaKatsumi

Mysidia has 35K average for a stack of Silver Arrows and 50K for Red Arrows.

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man wish prices were that low in Besaid =(

Istory-Silver 35-60k
Red 45-60k

wow ok can some of you please smack the Besaid crafters then. Our prices here are just ridiculous!

We are a more populated server, we have a more archers im guessing and overall there are not enough crafting the arrows to meet demand. Make friends with a crafter. I get my arrows 30k a stack.

The only way arrow prices are going to drop is if the synth beings to yield a base of 999 and the number totals for it don't change.

Honestly imo the best way to go about the arrow thing is instead of selling arrows in stack forms allow carpenters to make quivers. The quivers would never be exhausted aka hold an unlimited supply of ammo. Have a new quiver for every 5 ranks to make upgrading often worthwhile and make them no trade once they have been equipped. Really all items need to be bin on equip, but thats a whole nother thread.

Meh just have someone in your LS craft them for you.. much cheaper that way

I feel your pain! Thats the whole reason I picked up carpentry. Even so, I think after reading some of the responses here I am going to drop back to warped arrows..

The cost of these arrows is nothing compared to the cost of lvling RNG or COR in FFXI.

Yes, an FFXI reference.

I have gotten quite rich off of making arrows. This is a good sign of a strong economy. People should find a good/service that is in demand, price it competitively and watch the gill come in. Sadly, more and more carpenters are getting smart and selling arrows and the prices have plummeted.

I guess I never paid attention to the hit rate and damage of arrows, I just assumed if it says it does more damage than it does more damage. I will have to get seom Warped or Flint arrows and see what happens.

I'm gonna say crafters in Besaid are either greedy or RMT. I am an r37 Arc from Mysidia, and I generally use Obsidian arrows as my general purpose ammunition, mostly because I can craft them when I have the materials, but also because I can buy them from the Centuar's eye in Gridania when I don't. I have an Armored Calvary bow, so I'm not worried about not doing enough damage. Since I can craft them, I often grind them out in large quantities whenever I have the materials, and of those, I'll keep some for my own use, and sell the rest, usually at around 30 gil per arrow, or whole sets for 30k. I've had people tell me that they aren't worth crafting, and that they would never sell, but I actually made my first million gil this way, and without being a greedy jackhole. People will always flock to a crafter who can sell for less than his/her contemporaries, so it will force other players to compete for customers, often by selling at a reduced price.

I recomend for all archer to lvl up Carpenter. goldsmith and cloth crafts. Buy the glue and make your own arrows. Really the prices are silly since the mats are easy to come by. Ask someone to craft for you, but remmeber to search for the mats.

The LS im in has a couple of really nice carpenters that push out all our arrows :) very grateful otherwise id be paying 90-100k stack per silver arrows

Crafting arrow is a pain in the butt. To make Red Coral Arrow by self require at minimum 40 GS 40 Weaver 36 Alc and 45 Carp. Each stack of arrow takes 3 syn and 20k in mats. In addition, Red Coral and Eagle Feather is not exactly flooding the market. So on a good day a carp can find enough mats in market to make 8-12 stack arrow, and pretty much all of them goes to LS for NM use anyway (I make arrow for 6 archer in LS, 2 stack each for NM run cleans me out right away), it just doesn't make sense selling one stack of red coral arrow for less than 100k. I personally had never sold any arrow because I can make more gil with way less effort with other stuff, and I could barely (or rarely) keep LS stocked as is.

Silver arrow has it's own problem: horn glue is rarely available, and way over priced (10k a pop!) unless you farm your own. Also the profit is just not there, why would anyone stock up a maid with 10 stack silver arrow while praying to get total of maybe 200k (assuming 50k per stack) profit in a week's time?

So as long as equipment are still profitable I don't see arrow price coming down (it will be different when nothing else is profitable like in FFXI). It is much easier to have carp buddy who can hook you up, since people are much more willing to make stuff if they know there is demand beforehand.

people on rabanastre price red coral stack at 100K. don't know if they even sell at all... but that is what the search thing lists them as

i certainly do not buy them

i think they should do away with arrows all together make it more like a magic arrow not a real arrow nothing worse than in a fight and run out or have two buy them or make all the time lugging around a back pack full of arrows this is what makes me not want two play a archer Evin though it can be fun expensive class no i personally think its stupid to have two buy stuff so you can fight all the time or do what lineage 2 did at higher levels about 50 you have a spell that summons arrows never need to buy again

lol ya man, I just use those rank 1 arrows to level up. Expensive arrows, I'll be saving for NMs...

On FFXI the best deal was to craft your own ammo, sell 50%(or 25%) and use the others 50%(or 75%) and your money never drop down (it goes up sometime ^^).

Yeah just craft your own, I have a weaver friend who makes fletching and he is also a goldsmith in order to level his goldsmithing I give him Corals that aren't the ones i need for my bow making. I never feel arrow strain, don't be lazy every archer needs to be a carpenter, really who else is going to repair your bow or make arrows for you.

Silver arrows went from 50 gil each to 33 gil each on my server
/happy

I did an excel work for arrows prices, i gathered price from bazaar in the market ward and i found the Glu was the most overpriced item in sale (almost 90% of the arrows cost) everything else was cheap or free (you can easily gather craft items).

Only HQ arrows will grant a good benefit.

Ifyou have any intrest in crafting crp will benfit you alot or hopfully you have a friend that will do them for free for you, ive been amking them for myself anf friends and selling them for about 60k on lindblum, doesnt seem to many peeps doing it so ive been able to keep it resonable enough, still a steady enough income for myself without feeling too greddy and evil, Luckly i had a goldsmith and weaver in my Linkshell.
The money you make compared to the cost of crafting arrows is fairly high its hard to go wrong with doing it, since i make them for myself im not sure how others feel about it too much, feel sorry if your servers is overpriced.~

back in the day when no one was making arrows, i sold blue at 200g each and red at 300g each lol.

The mats are not a common drop. And the mats generally come from a total of 6 sources. To fix this i strongly believe making it so that one synth will yield a full stack of 999 arrows, and/or get rid of glue from the synth.

Alchemy: Glue
Ahriman Wing for wing glue, typically you can go some 4+ fights without a single wing dropping. and the lowest level Ahrimans can be is like R36. Ahriman wings sell for 16k on Cornelia server, to make 96 wing glue you will need 8 wings totaling 128k. Then theres the other wings that need to be added, 4x puk wings or 3x imp wings.

Botany: Branches/moko grass/some feathers
Whether its arrowwood or cedar, someone needs to go out there and cut some trees. The yarn needs to come from somewhere right? Start cutting that grass.

Combat classes: Buzzard/cockatrice/vulture feathers.
Bringing the meat home for a plucking. The drop rate of feathers is not as high as it should be, considering that the whole bird is covered with feathers.

Fishing/Mining: Mats for your arrow heads.
From Copper/Tin for bronze, iron ore into iron nuggets. White/Blue/Red Coral, the two colored corals are not an easy catch only common in grade 3+ fishing areas.

Weaver: Feathers into Fletching and Hempen Yarn from moko grass
Fletching difficulty varies with the feather thats used but Vulture Fletching is an R40 synth. Hempen yarn is a low level synth with very limited use, you should be able to find this cheap, but how often do you see it being sold?

Goldsmithing/Blacksmithing: Arrowheads
Someone's gotta carve or hammer out those Arrowheads right?

Carpentry: Making the arrowshaft and the Final Product.
The last step. Having fletching training goes a long way.


The fact that all these parts come from different sources and are made by several different crafts, makes arrows expensive. The only time you will see these cheap if 1 player is doing the gathering and the synthing to all parts by themselves.

The dev's can ease the burden by making 1 synth yield a full stack of 999 arrows. Or get rid of some mats of the synth itself.

please check out my Archer video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BUeieGTXX4

90k for a 1k arrows stack isn't expensive. It would mean around 9k for a 100 arrows stack, pretty similar to what we saw in FFXI for good ammo.

People still gets scarred about prices, but forgetting they have an extra "0" from what they were in FFXI. People may saw "but here you do 333 arrows in 1 synth" but here you also use a decent amount of materials, including some infamous glues that ckick the price up. I might be wrong since there's some time since i last bought them, but wing glue is supposed to be 5~10k a pop, which already put 15~30k at stack price since you need 3 per stack. Cockatice, swan and eagle fletchings are also kinda expensive (not as expensive as glue tho).

Anyway...IMO 90k a stack, depending of the arrow, is fair enough....and no, i'm not a carpenter that sells arrow =P

Only depend on your playtime, someone that play a lot will pay more for a day that someone that play 1~2h per day.

90k isn't expensive, it is when you have a lot of playtime as Archer.

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Originally Posted by Lienn

90k for a 1k arrows stack isn't expensive. It would mean around 9k for a 100 arrows stack, pretty similar to what we saw in FFXI for good ammo.

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The difference is that in FFXI, in a normal exp/merit party, I'm using roughly 5 arrows per mob, give or take. In XIV, I use more than that in the first 10 seconds (3 from opening Multishot, 2-ish for TPing, then 4 for Barrage).

You can't compare ammo volume in XIV to XI. Every bow in XIV is significantly faster than the fastest ranged weapon in XI.

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Originally Posted by Suzaku

I'm ranking up classes for arrows for pretty much this exact reason.

The trend I'm seeing, however, is that a lot of people just use Warped Arrows for leveling, and don't bother busting out the stronger ones except for NMs and other particularly challenging content.

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I agree with this assessment. I think part of being an archer is taking the time to craft your own arrows, otherwise it is not worth putting so much effort in leveling it, in my opinion. I don't having to constantly be dependent on others to get arrows, especially since archer goes through them so quickly.

I also don't think the higher leveled arrows are worth using for regular use.

It's actually not too hard leveling for crafting arrows. Start crafting arrow parts and material, and as you accumulate material to craft you arrows, you skill rank goes up (and with some support from local levequests).

In this game you're not so much paying for the price of arrows as you are justifying use of the salesfloor room by the stranger. I don't put anything up for sale that's not over 50k. That's just a half a r40 leve.

Your shell should be able to make all the arrow parts needed and put them together for basically nothing. Crafters just aren't usually interested in making the individual parts and right now good arrows dont matter.

so the question is...........

is worth to level carpentry for arrows?

Not yet. There's little to no benefit of using anything but warped arrows, depending on what you're fighting.
And they can't really tweak it unless they really nerf bow stats because warped arrows already destroy other jobs in dps.

I use the good arrows for leveling with a partner. Way better accercy and hit rating on a monster compared to the lvl one arrows. But i can see it getting very expensive. only get about one level for every 999 arrows used so far at lvl 20.

If you have a high enough crafters to make your arrows, the best is to farm mats and in turn you get your arrows. I have found to farm horns, feathers, and branches and give them to the craters and go from there. Farming mats is what has been my way to save money on paying for arrows.

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Originally Posted by Nekocop

I agree with this assessment. I think part of being an archer is taking the time to craft your own arrows, otherwise it is not worth putting so much effort in leveling it, in my opinion. I don't having to constantly be dependent on others to get arrows, especially since archer goes through them so quickly.

I also don't think the higher leveled arrows are worth using for regular use.

It's actually not too hard leveling for crafting arrows. Start crafting arrow parts and material, and as you accumulate material to craft you arrows, you skill rank goes up (and with some support from local levequests).

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Hmm, I'm not sure I agree with the above Nekocop.

I love Archer (I player RNG as my main for 3 years in FFXI), but I have little personal interest in levelling woodworking to get myself cheap arrows (I'm already spending my time and gil on levelling ALC and CUL). I think making your own arrows is a nice thing, but I don't think that if you don't you're not playing an Archer properly.

The issue here is supply and demand. Because a lot of Archers do not want to spend their gil on a regular basis, they use cheap Warped Arrows instead of the arrow closest to their rank. As a result, those crafters who take the time and effort to make higher level arrows (and having been supplied by woodworkers from within my own LS, I've seen how difficult it can be to get some feathers...etc...to make these higher arrows) are finding they cannot sell them in high enough quantities, and as there aren't many woodworkers selling these higher arrows (as they don't bother making them as the demand isn't high enough), you don't get the "price war" and undercutting you otherwise get when a lot of people are selling the same thing.

So as far as I can see, this is a problem partly created by us Archers in the first place. While it's frustrating to see stacks of arrows are high/ridiculous prices, those crafters can and will charge what they want because they don't have to compete in price with lots of other crafters.

So either Archers need to start buying arrows again other than Warped Arrows, or go and level woodworking (not exactly a cheap or quick option either).

It's times like this I'm glad my LS has multiple crafters of each craft so we can help each other out. All members submit materials they pick up from their travels to the LS Bank so the crafters can use them to make stuff. No prices are charged to members for making something for them (short of a high level uber-item, and even then it's only to cover mats), and what goes around comes around. I think this is the best way of preventing yourself from being caught by these situations.

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Originally Posted by Arya

...It's times like this I'm glad my LS has multiple crafters of each craft so we can help each other out. All members submit materials they pick up from their travels to the LS Bank so the crafters can use them to make stuff. No prices are charged to members for making something for them (short of a high level uber-item, and even then it's only to cover mats), and what goes around comes around. I think this is the best way of preventing yourself from being caught by these situations.

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Seeing that I am sometimes in game waiting for LS members to get into game or I am farming mats to hopefully get someone to make an HQ piece of hear, I am usually busy gathering mats like Red/Blue Coral or feathers so that the crafter that makes my arrows will level up on what I gather and I get my arrows and repeat the cycle. This is the thing I love about my LS is that we have a great system of supply and demand, in which we have no shortage of crafters and suppliers.