As I have seen three (this will now be the fourth thread) threads about lack of open world content, I decided to try to bring everyone into one thread to talk about this issue.
First, let's go over the current open world options. This will be compiled into a long list, and there will not be a TL;DR version, so stop being lazy and read (I feel more people need to learn how to do this anyways, so it's a plus).
1. The first thing is leveling, obviously anyone and everyone can do this, even if it isn't the most efficient option (only thing that can only be done in open world when leveling choco companion).
2. Farming random enemies for drops, same applies anyone and everyone can do this, generally for specific drops, gets boring after about an hour. No real bonus here, from what I can tell, all markets on all servers have crashed into the ground so this would only be used for leveling crafting jobs... Which brings me to...
3. Crafting, yeah whatever, you can craft in the open world, good job.
4. Gathering, I'm kind of surprised that there are no options to be able to gather at all in dangerous areas / dungeons of any sort for rare items, yet that is for a different thread.
5. F.A.T.E.s... Now this would be interesting, however as it currently stands 98%(made up arbitrary number) of them are zerg fests and get boring very quickly. I'm sure there is a decent way to expand on this, maybe making a lockout on the FATE after 100-150 people enter (obviously talking about Behemoth / Odin for this) that way there is a level of challenge and rewards the people who are actively looking for it.
6. Treasure hunting is a great idea, it's even decently well implemented. However the rewards are lacking, the difficulty level is very low, having only three ways to obtain the maps is pretty meh too. However, this all isn't without merit as there are plenty of ways to expand on this (by the way Square-Enix I would suggest doing so).
7. Dailies I understand that Square-Enix may be new to daily quests, however these need to have a TON more variety. As it stands, these quests are super boring and super repetitive. Perhaps quests that can only be accepted by a full party which when you choose to receive will give everyone in the party the option to accept. After which everyone will get the same objective directing them where to go on the map, you will fight a beast tribe named enemy (of decent difficulty) which will then drop an item to everyone to show that they cleared the quest. Everyone can then report back to the NPC to claim a decent reward (no random amount of potash or coke or stupid crafting item as I stated the market on everything is rock bottom). You could even give these group dailies their own ranks to make them more enticing.
8. Sit in town and complain about how there is nothing to do in open world.
With everything covered (will expand on the list if someone can actually submit something that you can do that is logical to fill time in the open world) I would like to go into things player submitted (through the random threads I have looked at) and go through the pros / cons / and how to make them fun and not 100% required or rage inducing.
1. NMs... Now I understand that this is a very touchy subject, but not everything bad is because of NMs. The ground work for good NM implication was there both in FFXI and FFXIV, however both need a little bit of work. Let's make a sublist for this, as I feel it may help.
A. Drops: The drops from NMs would not have to be anything that felt required / stand out if you don't have them. I.E. I'm not talking about best of the best end game OMG HOLY SH-- stats, I'm talking about quirky stuff, or quality of life items, maybe even gear that is on par with items that are a few tiers lower than the current max say i80 items or something with switched around stats(just an example). Like, maybe a necklace that has subpar stats, but gives a +3% bonus to your casts of stone skin. Implications for this? Equip it as the healer before buffing the party, and remove it afterwards, an extra 3% isn't going to make or break any fight, but maybe it could help the tank get that initial aggro against those hard hitting enemies. Maybe another NM could drop a pair of pants that has +5% movement speed in sanctuaries. Obviously this is a quality of life item, and would be in no way required.
B. Spawn rate: Obviously no one wants to be sitting around for hours and hours waiting for an NM to spawn. I feel FFXIV 1.0 did this correctly for the most part, I never found myself waiting more than 20 minutes tops for an NM to respawn. If anything I would say the highest respawn time should be around an hour, though 30 minutes is fair in my opinion. Some people have suggested random spawn placement somewhere in the zone, I am kind of on both sides of the fence on this one, but I wouldn't be opposed to the idea.
C. Claiming: Complaints about "OMG IT WILL JUST COME DOWN TO, MAY THE BEST BOT WIN" NOPE, screw that. I wouldn't want that either. However the idea crossed my mind, what if it were something a little bit more forgiving. Say, if a player deals at least 2% total HP in damage, or heals over XX amount of HP that they would also get the same %chance at the drop as the person / party that claimed it? I think that would be fair.
D. Difficulty: I think if an NM were to spawn in an area that has mostly level 30 enemies in it, it should be able to be soloable by someone who is level 35, or able to be done with 2-3 level 30-32 players. Of course you could put harder NMs in areas that are closer to level cap, and possibly make ones that require 5-8 level 50s to take down. Also giving them their own abilities would be nice, so it doesn't feel like you are fighting the same monsters that are around with a higher HP pool and hits a bit harder.
2. World bosses... I haven't ever done an event in another MMO that deals with world bosses, so if someone else can give a detailed description on how it would work with FFXIV:ARR rules, how to implement it, how frequently it would spawn, how to make it fun, what rewards to expect, I'll quote it into this section of the post.
3. Roaming primals... We already know this is coming, we just don't know what to expect, or even know what it means to "be able to summon them when your FC wants to". But I feel this may be a small step in the right direction.
4. Open world dungeons... I agree that these need to make a return, just for the sense of exploration that comes with them. You could also make plenty to do inside them, and I don't think it would be that hard to tie story to it (like digging up the old entrance to Nanawa mines).
5.Huntleves... Quite an interesting idea, and I think I like it... Click here for info.
6. Will post whatever decent suggestions come up into this part of the post as they come up along with and other ideas will follow, make sure to give descriptive details on every aspect of it. We want to make sure that when the devs look at this, they go, HOLY CRAP, that is an awesome idea!
With all that being said, I want this thread focused on discussion / getting the devs to check this thread and hopefully seeing something that they think would be a good addition to the game. I actually really like this game, I just feel like it's lacking a lot of content that they have a ton of room for. I will also try to update this post frequently with player submitted ideas, but please be descriptive. Saying something like "OMG adding XX would be awesome!" but adding no body to it is going to wind up being a waste of time. Let us know how it would work, what rewards could be had, how to get everyone involved and make it fun, how to properly put it into the game without it failing all over itself. I really look forward to reading all the ideas we can come up with.
DEV attention: We request some change to open world!
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02-27-2014, 07:08 PMMikaraDEV attention: We request some change to open world!
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02-27-2014, 07:47 PMLeft_Hand
1. Public non instanced dungeons, similar to what we had in EQ, Vanguard, to a degree in ESO
2. More involved quests. If anyone has played The Secret World, you will probably remember fondly the investigation quests, that sometimes took you all over the world figuring out cryptic clues and with no quest markers
3. Something akin to the world raid bosses from GW2, where an even spawned with a towering Godzilla like raid boss where every player could join and complete, with multiple stages and item rewards for contribution
Just some ideas. -
02-27-2014, 09:35 PMRenik
I just find one point that is wrong in your post, open world content should drop good gear as well as "quality of life" gear, i understand some ppl don't want to feel forced to do open world content, the same way i don't want to feel forced to do instanced content to get the best gear, instead of having to do one thing or another, the best gear should be crafted with a mix of mats dropped in instanced content and open world content, this would also fix the economy and give a purpose to crafting classes.
Of course to make this work we must first get rid of this vertical gear progression system and the lack of class-job customization. -
02-27-2014, 09:38 PMSeif
I wish they'd introduce a ton of collectables in each zone so there would be at least some reason to explore. There's literally NOTHING tangible to find in the pretty scenery.
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02-27-2014, 09:43 PMTheUltimate3
In response to the OP's suggestions.
1A) It would be nice, but I wouldn't see any...er logical (not the right word) to make this. Mainly because it runs into the oposite problem of having "required items", which is "items that are generally pointless for all but these very very specific things. Which brings the case "why even bother". Not a bad idea, but an odd one.
1B) Spawn Rate, if they were to spawn however, I would prefer them take a while to spawn, and at random locations. Make em difficult to find.
1C) Claiming would be the hardest part honestly and I have no logical ideas over it. (Part of me thinks SAO's method of the last person who hits it gets it, but I can see things just getting swarmed by that).
Now my own suggestions.
1) Damn near nothing can actually be done about the open world without massive changes to other things. You cannot just drop a world boss down, tell people to have at it, and expect people to care about it 1 week later unless that thing drops something epic.
2) (Though they already said they wouldn't do this) Make crafting gear close (but not equal) to the highest available raid tier. Then make leveling the crafting classes damn near impossible, but self sufficient. I am no crafter (i just started goldsmithing so I consider myself a novice at best) but I am told to make gear that is at all useful I need to level up i believe every other crafting to level 15, then 2 others to 50 to make sure I can craft HQ gear. That means that damn near every crafter has to level everything else and that is the reason the market is terrible.
Make it so I can level up blacksmith and only blacksmith and after a certain point, all the gear I make via blacksmith is HQ and boom. I no longer have to flood the market with weaver stuff because I don't need to be a weaver as well. Do this and that allows items gathered to be of actual value and thus the economy can stabilize in a way that actually makes sense. I am aware that this ruins the fun of cross-class abilities and what not, but yeah. Cross class is the reason this is a problem in the first place.
3) Why the above even matters relates to this. With gear from crafting actually mattering unless you are at the bleeding edge of endgame, means that the resources out on the field matter. That is good. Now you have to make sure there is less of it. I don't gather so I don't know if veins disappear like they do in WoW (yes I am referencing WoW), but they need to disappear. And they need to be scarce. There needs to be competition to level a gathering profession which would in turn get people to actively travel around to make sure they gathered stuff. Being random also helps, so we can avoid websites just mapping out where veins are and have those areas camped by bots. Boom, world is active with people moving around trying to find nodes and what not. -
02-27-2014, 10:15 PMRenik
regarding spawns and claims, i would use some kind of trigger, like treasure maps with time lockouts, i'ts not the kind of open world i would like to have, but it's a way to avoid complains from the ppl who "dislikes" competition. on the other hand we could also have bosses (even as fate), in dangerous open world dungeons, that drops good and valuable gear with a low drop-rate, this kind of bosses could drop tomes as well.
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02-27-2014, 10:35 PMArgurios
I just want to see some free chocobos running around in the wild! FREE THE CHOCOBOS!!!!!
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02-27-2014, 10:50 PMSynapse
Anyone remember monsters fighting with monsters in the wild in 1.0? it was usually Beastmen and common fauna. They should add stuff like that, like a wolf wanders into a group of cacturs... it should not walk away alive.
and this:
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Spawn Rate, if they were to spawn however, I would prefer them take a while to spawn, and at random locations. Make em difficult to find.
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02-27-2014, 11:00 PMTheUltimate3
To elebaorate on how i feel claiming a mob would work, I mentioned SAO. For those who have not seen that show, the idea was the one who did the last hit got the item and it wouldn't be announced to anyone. Obviously this would case a hell of a lot of problems (and tanks and healers would never get anything from this ever), but /shrug it's an idea.
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02-28-2014, 09:42 AMMikara
Updated the main post, let's see some golden outside the box ideas!
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02-28-2014, 10:02 AMGilthas
Great, another thread that just wants to bring back crappy NM mechanics for the sake of "competition".
People want competition? Do PVP, that's real competition, not claim wars.
Best way to avoid claim wars? Make open world NMs poppable with items (like Treasure Hunt) or be spawned through quests (like leves). -
02-28-2014, 10:13 AMMikaraThis isn't about competition, this is about fun content being in the game, that also allows everyone to do it and not felt left out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilthas
Which reminds me, I think we do need some form of open world PVP, I thought they said they were bringing something like that to the game. Wasn't called frontlines or something like that? -
02-28-2014, 10:23 AMTheplatterQuote:
Originally Posted by Mikara
I believe it's to be introduced with the expansion that (finally) brings Ishgard.
Also, why do people have such a hair up their ass about camped NM's and the like? If you don't want to do it, don't do it. Let those that do want to have their fun. -
02-28-2014, 10:28 AMGilthasThe old NM/HNM system that several people keep clamoring for is the poster child of not allowing everyone to do something and having players left out. Because that's what they really want, to be able to have exclusive shinies that others can't have. That's the real reason why they don't like that all the best gear comes from dungeons, because with the current system they can't lock out other players from getting the same gear that they have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikara
Having NMs using a pop system (similar to TH) or a quest system (leves) allows players to form groups and choose to tackle this content when they feel like it.
The camping/claiming system has players stuck in a zone waiting for an NM to pop with the chance of losing claim and having wasted their time.
Ok, have these NMs not drop anything and SE can add as many NMs as you guys want and I won't give a damn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theplatter
Once you put desired items dropping from NMs, people are forced to do them to progress. People didn't camp Faf/Nid for years in FFXI because it was fun (because it wasn't), they camped him because for years he dropped the best gear in the game. -
02-28-2014, 10:34 AMEnkidohI hate to say it, but you've pretty much hit the nail on the head. I'd also like to add that a lot of these calls for so-called 'open world content' are actually not - people just want NMs which drop powerful/expensive gear that can be sold for an overinflated price on the Market Board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilthas
Case in point - a lot of these threads use FFXI as an example, saying having tons of open-world NMs to hunt 'gave variety', when actually it didn't. Most NMs in FFXI were usually ignored by most players for this reason, players usually instead only overcamped a few particular ones they knew dropped decent gear (*cough cough* Valkurm Emperor, Mee Deggi the Punisher, Roc, Lord of Onzzozo etc), with the vast majority completely ignored simply because their items were just not considered decent enough to care - how many people used to camp Bigmouth Billy for instance? (at least until SE made him drop items related to Synergy that is). Virtually none.
Considering the economy is in meltdown at the moment due to players not spending money to instead save for their FC housing, even if gear dropping NMs were in the game, the gear would not sell for chicken feed and the same players would be endlessly whining why SE can't fix the economy. And then you have the RMT/botting problem which is a whole other barrel of moogles... -
02-28-2014, 10:34 AMMax_Damade
I like the idea of the NMs spawning in different areas. This would do a lot to remove the competition aspect since players wouldn't be actually camping a small area. In FFXI you might stumble upon an NM you knew nothing about. You would check it's strength and it would say "Bubbling Bernie's strength is impossible to gauge". This made it a lot of fun.
30 minute respawns would make NM hunting a lot less exciting and the gear drops a lot less rare. I also would only be interested in hunting for monsters who's drops are tradable. In FFXI I used to give rare items to friends on their birthdays. Sometimes I would need to spend an entire weekend hunting the same monster before I got the drop, but it made the gift that much more special.
SE probably will not have any interest in my approach to NMs. It seems the game designers are working very hard to make sure gil is of very little importance so sellable items from rare monsters would not be something they would want in their game. -
02-28-2014, 10:34 AMMikaraIf you honestly feel that way, I don't think anything I can say will change how you feel, however I have suggested some things that would remove the whole "exclusive" feel to the rewards from NMs, give it a quick read and let me know if you have any suggestions for roaming / open world NMs. Believe me though when I say I'm all ears for good ideas / suggestions that will grab peoples attention towards putting any content in the game that could / would be fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilthas
I have to say, if this is honestly how people feel about NMs (the whole I want it to be the best and have it sellable for huge sums of gil), I believe they are playing the wrong game. If they want that kind of content, FFXI is still live, and they can partake in that to their hearts content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Enkidoh
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02-28-2014, 10:41 AMGilthasThat's just the thing though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikara
You already have NMs in the game in the form of FATEs (and these could easily be turned into roaming FATE NMs). But people don't like those because everyone can attack the mob so they say there's no strategy.
Of course to this I respond with "make NMs poppable and that way you can have a more strategic fight", but then they don't want that because they want the NMs roaming about.
They basically insist on the exact combination that would allow them to **** over other players.
Oh I completely agree with this point. A lot of times you'll see people using arguments like "NM/HNMs were great because they were challenging" yet Jormungand and Hydra were always up on my server. Hell, Vrta had money drops yet linkshells never bothered to farm him because the fight was hard. So much for wanting a challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Enkidoh
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02-28-2014, 11:24 PMMikara
Is there actually anything wrong with having both poppable and roaming NMs? I don't think so. I think if a game has more in it that you can do, the better it will be. Just because a game has content in it, doesn't mean you have to do it. Even so, I want to move the topic past more than just NMs. What other open world stuff could we introduce?
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02-28-2014, 11:39 PMFaedden
Ugh I don't get people like that guy. I hate crafting, I don't go into every crafting thread and be rude to them because it's a feature I don't like. Not everything in an mmo is for you or content you'd like doing.
I don't think OP or the OP of any of those other "open world" thread are asking for NM in particular or asking for them to drop the best gear there is. Plenty of people also gave loads of ideas on how to combat "claim wars" (honestly even if some people have fun with that, who you are to tell them its stupid?) If you don't like world bosses/nm whatever you want to call them don't do it. :D -
03-01-2014, 12:17 AMFelisIt should be no problem if SE do it like in 1.0 again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikara
- Roaming lowlevel NM who drop the best level 25-35 (untradeable) gear (around 10 minute respawn time). Change some lowlevel NM FATEs so it give with a chance (around 15%) a gear if the player got gold should be enough for this
- Roaming highlevel NM who drop (with a chance) mats to craft with them the actual NM gear (I can't remember the respawn time, but some NMs spawned only during specific weather or only during the night). SE could bring in 3 star recipes for these mats.
- Leve Highlevel NM who drop HL gear (of course not better than highlevel dungeon gear) -
03-01-2014, 12:36 AMSanjuroXI
Yes yes to this thread
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03-01-2014, 01:33 AMZantetsuken
NMs? We have the FATE system which is superior as it doesn't require huge amounts of camping or competition...
But FATEs suck, and here's how to fix them.
Basically, make more FATEs that work like Odin or Behemor.
1) (NM) FATEs should not show up on the map until at least one player has engaged with the mob.
2) (NM) FATEs should drop items/gear (low % based on rank in fate)
Oh, and I like the option to enter dungeons in 'open mode' as well. (put some FATEs/Harvesting Points/Treasure Hunt locations/etc. in them to really make them interesting :cool: ) -
03-01-2014, 02:03 AMCap75
I'm a total noob to this game so take anything I say with a grain of salt but I'll add my two cents. Generally the only way to make the world of an MMO worth exploring is to inject an element of randomness into. Stuff like randomly spawning gatherables/collectables, NMs and long quest chains without quest markers.
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03-01-2014, 02:49 AMTrystWildkey
This may not be the best thread to post this, but it's something open world that I really miss.
Previously, in 1.0 and 1.23, the Harvesting and Quarrying points (the ones that used the off-hand tool) were visible to anyone wandering around the open world. I miss them.
I didn't really want to level a gathering class, but, I wandered around the open world so much that I got gear for them and harvested/quarried every time I passed a point.
I think it would add some variety, and (admittedly minimal, but fun) open world content to bring back the visible harvesting and quarrying points. -
03-01-2014, 03:07 AMDhex
Ideally they could implement open world content through Leves, Huntlogs, and return older content such as Skirmish.
Free Company Huntleves;
As a registered Free Company you can purchase special long-term Leves with Company Credits; these leves would be active Company wide their objectives viewable and executable by all members.
Example #1: "Having a Vile Time"
Cost: 1000 Company Credits
Duration: 48 hr.
Region: Thanalan
Objective: Fierce and territorial the Vilekin of Eorzea have set upon Thanalan - wrecking havoc upon it's inhabitants. Eliminate the threat and protect the realm before it is overrun!
0/50 Antling Fighter (lv.50) (Solo ~ 2+ Players) (Thanalan Region)
0/30 Ravenous Yarzon (lv.60) (4+ Players) (Eastern Thanalan, Central Thanalan, Southern Thanalan)
0/15 Mrymidon General (lv.70) (8+ Players) (Northern Thanalan)
0/1 Mrymidon Queen (lv.80) (8-16+ Players) (Central Thanalan, Black Brush Station/Cutter's Cry Entrance*)
Each of these objectives will be difficult - Yarzon will take a coordinated party of at least 4 or more players to down and require crowd control. This content is not limited by Duty Finder or party sizes - any member of the Free Company can join the fray at anytime.
The final boss Mrymidon Queen would take significant planning and coordination - her difficulty will scale with the number of Free Company members participating in the battle. She would take a highly organized group of at least 8 players to defeat her.
These objectives would be designed to cover large areas and would have a large window for completion. Gil, Seals, Tomes, Gear, and Exclusive crafting items would rewarded for defeating these enemies and a bonus awarded for completion. Each Huntleve would award a "Free Company" title.
Note: Only members of the Free Company may participate in the Free Company Huntleve. Just as normal leve enemies are locked from outside help - so are Huntleves locked in such a way that only members of the Free Company can engage these enemies.
By completing three different Huntleves as a Free Company across all three Regions players would gain access to City Raids:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...d-Design-Idea)
Please note: These are just my ideas. Ideas - and nothing more. -
03-02-2014, 10:25 AMMikara
Some interesting ideas have been brought up, I actually really like the idea of Huntleves. It sounds like a great way to get more than 8 people of the FC involved. Can we think of anything else to suggest, or expand on any of the current suggestions?
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03-02-2014, 01:49 PMMysteltain
Reading this reminded me of a post I made a few months ago about the maps, and as someone who really likes open-world dungeons, this is sort of relevant, haha.
I realize it would mean drastically altering the maps we have now (as well as making brand new ones), but it would really open up the possibility of more open world content. Or, at the very least, increase the amount of exploration we can do. As has been said in other threads, the world we have right now lacks teeth. The strongest regular mobs we have are level 49 Beastmen and level 50 Water Sprites--not the most threatening enemies when you run across them, even at iLvl50.Quote:
I think it's more an issue of verticality than map size. You can make your maps as large as you please, but at the end of the day if it's overall design is flat, then you're not properly utilizing all of the space you have to work with. Coerthas Central Highlands does this better than any other map in the game, although it could certainly be expanded upon. The caves connecting the two fissures at Witchdrop is a perfect example of this, and the caves on the east side of the map, as well, since you can only enter from one side (if memory serves), and then drop down from the other end. Then you've got the climb at Snowcloak, the chasm at Whitebrim, and the crater at the Boulder Downs. Rather than make use of what's at eye level, you can actually move up and down at certain points on the map to either get a better vantage, fight different monsters, or fulfill a quest (although that last one is standard fare, no offense, devs!).
Could you imagine jumping into the pit outside of Buscaroon's Druthers to enter the Gelmorra ruins, running through a maze of tunnels and the ruins of a forgotten city, until you come out at the North Shroud? Or falling through a sandpit in the Sagolii Desert, entering a vast cavern filled with high level monsters and environmental hazards, and journeying through that until you come out at Northern Thanalan? I'd love to see implementation of areas like this in the game because it would really add to the exploration.
So why not throw in these 'open world dungeons'? No mini-map display for them, just a place where the player can run around in, get lost, find themselves face to face with dangerous beasts, discover rare gathering nodes, and maybe even give even players in iLvl90 a bit of tension by throwing in the occasional Lvl100 monster? It would be pretty crazy to be walking around the Gelmorra Ruins when you see a collapsed building, enter it, and find a new type of Valefor chilling inside with a dozen souped-up Vodoriga's around it. Next thing you know you're running outside and either everyone's up and escaping from the area, or they're all fighting tooth and nail to take 'em down. Now that the monster's dead, you go back into the house and an cellar door has become interactable, taking you down into a cave below the house, and you just keep going...
Implementing open world dungeons that are massive, rewarding in both challenge and items, as well as just plain fun to go around with your friends; that's what I'd like to see added. Plus, it would add a bit of a 'Metroidvania" style to the world, having the dungeons connected at multiple points to multiple maps. -
03-02-2014, 01:59 PMNamasu
Treasure Hunt is the best place to start to expand with open world content, particularly pop-able NMs. We already have the base system down. Everytime you trigger a map, your entire party is locked in an open-world duty status (kind of like doing a leve) so no one can interfere. Great. Now let's see how I think SE can expand on this.
1) Have gatherer able to gather small pieces of a large rare map.
2) People can gather or buy these pieces (in 10s, 20s, 30s+) and combine them to get a rare map (think BCNM/KSNM in FFXI).
3) The map should encourage players to explore in various landmarks around Eorzea.
4) The rare maps should be challenging enough that would require 8 man to be on their toes for at least 7~10 minutes.
5) Drops crafting mats, housing items, gils, gears, mounts, minions, all you name it.
6) The reward, of course, will be proportionate so that the 8 man party that spent their time and resources isn't losing out against the gatherers who just sell their map pieces.
Now one of the community rep had already mentioned that treasure map system will be expanded in the future so hopefully things will be interesting enough that it isn't just a boring zerg grind like the current maps. -
03-02-2014, 02:16 PMMikara
Hrmm, this idea seems interesting, what if when you get map pieces, it you can "use" them and they disappear from your inventory into your cartography case (new item which could essentially be just another item that is stored into your key items). When you open your cartography case, you are greeted with a grid which also shows all the map pieces you have stored from "using" them in your inventory. From there you could piece together the maps which certain pieces would allow you to increase the difficulty, type of mob (think of generic mob types, for instance wavekin simply means you will get a sahagin / fish enemy of some type), and maybe even conditions (something like, everyone is poisoned throughout the whole fight). After you complete the map, it will display like the other maps you have deciphered, showing you the location you have to travel to. And something similar from there out. However, if you opt to sell your map pieces, you would be unable to see what bonuses they would give to the treasure hunt as they would only show up after you have "used" them and put them into the cartography case. Thoughts?
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03-02-2014, 03:16 PMSeif
Fates appear like clockwork which means there's nothing special about them.
In XI you couldn't "camp" certain nms because their pop position and time was completely random. That's what made some of those fights memorable and especially the high spike in diffyculty. -
03-02-2014, 03:56 PMDhexYeah - No. Time =/= Difficulty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seif
NMs were hella predictable - why do you think people programmed bots and grieved each other over them so often?
Many NMs had drops that also were disproportionately good for the level you could get them at and window of use for that drop was huge because there were no item levels or clever progression in any sense. You'd spend hours just trying to do the damn things.
EX: Valkurm Emperor - dropped an essential Evasion Item for a very long time that had no peer
- Lottery Spawn from Damselfly in the area spanning (D-8) to (F-8).
- Window opens 60 minutes from its last Time of Death, but can take several hours until it spawns on death of PH spawns.
- The placeholder appears on Widescan as the first Damselfly in the group of four between the second set of Snippers and Thread Leeches.
- Wide Scan II can reach all possible spawn points for both the placeholder and Valkurm Emperor if used by the palm trees in the lower-left corner of (F-8).
- The NM appears below the other three flies and before the Thread Leeches on Widescan.
- Damselfly respawns every 5 minutes (2 hours and 7 minutes Vana'diel time).
- Will link with other flies in the area, and the flies will link with Valkurm Emperor.
= Soloable by all jobs at level 35 and by most jobs at level 30, with some difficulty; Duoable by Beastmaster at level 25. Soloable by Beastmaster Lv24.
So yeah that shit was only as random as not knowing the ToD or not having a 3rd Party program telling you.