New dungeons, new mechanics?

Greetings. Why all the dungeons are the same? Mobs...boss, mobs...boss, mobs...boss. Why no any other dungeons? For example dungeons with "sport" or "score" mechanics? In TERA there are at least 3 sport-score dungeon: Crucible of Flame, Temple of Temerity, Sirjuka Gallery. It is very nice to compete with your own result and with results of other players and the reward in these dungeons connected with gained scores or with completing all main tasks of the dungeon in a right time. Dear developers, please, make such dungeon in FF: time trials, score trials, skill trials (all players of the group come into different rooms and fight there alone) and another dungeon mechanics. Thank you

And dont forget to make a menu of global statistics of completing such dungeons so players can see results of each others and compete for better results)

I'd say "this is no tera" but that would be mean. Most of the scoring dungeon based games I know are total garbage (haven't played tera tbh) and they just become a race to the finish where people don't care at all about roles and just run to be the one killing everything to get the best rewards.

I'd like to have teamplay, not competition

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kuwagami

I'd say "this is no tera" but that would be mean. Most of the scoring dungeon based games I know are total garbage (haven't played tera tbh) and they just become a race to the finish where people don't care at all about roles and just run to be the one killing everything to get the best rewards.

I'd like to have teamplay, not competition

---

Please, find descriptions of these Tera dungeons. You will see how interesting they are and be sure- team play is very important there. And, for example, in Crucible of Flame players can enter just once per day. Or Sirjuka Gallery- there are some special rules to gain more scores. Going the way of this rules is the key to good result

Since Tera was brought out and I have played it for quite sometime, I can say those 3 dungeons mention is really about teamwork and not personal score. Without proper teamwork it's impossible to complete them, except for Temple of Temerity which is very easy when you are geared. It would be interesting to see something like this where the goal is to score highest against other team in the server, and also the chances to get some rare loots.

I want this already;

Quote:

---

Release of treasure maps to be discoverable by Disciples of the Land. Planned for after version 2.0.
Maps to reveal location of chests and dungeons. Dungeons to be new content designed for a combination
of classes from all Disciplines. Planned for after version 2.0.

---

Something like Copperbell (Hard), but with Disciples of Land tagging along and being required to get through paths, rather than DPS just punching rocks out the way... Disciples of Hand could work with mechanics similar to Stone Vigil; operating (and repairing?) the cannon.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sotek

I want this already;


Something like Copperbell (Hard), but with Disciples of Land tagging along and being required to get through paths, rather than DPS just punching rocks out the way... Disciples of Hand could work with mechanics similar to Stone Vigil; operating (and repairing?) the cannon.

---

Maybe hamlets?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Onyxys

Please, find descriptions of these Tera dungeons. You will see how interesting they are and be sure- team play is very important there. And, for example, in Crucible of Flame players can enter just once per day. Or Sirjuka Gallery- there are some special rules to gain more scores. Going the way of this rules is the key to good result

---

yeah that's why I said I haven't played TERA. If the teamplay is more important than personnal acting (a team score rather than a personnal one ?), some scoring to get a challenge for the entire server could be a good thing. :)

Or at the very least have some of them like some of the guildhests.

Just for reference for those who haven't played Tera, here is a very basic overview of Surjuka Gallery. The goal is to defend a crystal in the center of an arena against waves of enemies. As you play, your group earns points and your groups score at the end determines how good your reward is.

Some examples of ways to get points:
-killing with basic attack
-Each mob killed is worth a certain amount
-Remaining health on the crystal you are trying to protect
-Time remaining at the end of the round
-ect.

At the end of the dungeon, if the group score above X they would get a gold which gave the most tokens, if they got above Y, the would get a silver and get a couple tokens, and if they get above Z they get a bronze for very few tokens.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ToraoKoga

Maybe hamlets?

---

nah, more like a dungeon with a DOH/DOL required mechanic.

hamlet was a world event.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dejavutwo

Just for reference for those who haven't played Tera, here is a very basic overview of Surjuka Gallery...

Some examples of ways to get points:
-killing with basic attack
-Each mob killed is worth a certain amount
-Remaining health on the crystal you are trying to protect
-Time remaining at the end of the round
-ect.

At the end of the dungeon, if the group score above X they would get a gold which gave the most tokens, if they got above Y, the would get a silver and get a couple tokens, and if they get above Z they get a bronze for very few tokens.

---

Yes yes. Dont forget jumping- each jump gives some score. Healing the critical health gives points too. A lot of different variants- developers just need to use imagination. Such dungeons can be a great entertainment in PvE game- the reason for players to log in even if they lost game interest

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kuwagami

where people don't care at all about roles

---

Wut? No one cares about roles here, in fact everything has been so dumbed down that people don't even have to know there roles, then on top of that. Everyone can play any class so no one takes a long time playing any class to actually LEARN it.
I literally can just smash anything in this game, other games not so much.

Ontopic: I like how Aion did DP, depending on what score you got depends on what boss and loots you got.

Why don't we just condense this down some and make it what everyones saying in one.. Treasure maps can unlock a guildhest style "short dungeon" randomly, low chance, with better rewards that outdoor chests. Would only work for max rank (4-8 man?) maps, and would give a reason to actually gather anything higher than boarskins.

There was once a content with a score system for the reward in 1.0
http://www.ratisil.net/toey/ffxiv/hamlet.jpg
60k points was needed to get the golden chest at the end.
It would be good to have something like this again (but a bit better)

And in dungeons extra chests after defeating the boss if specific monsters got killed and if all the other chests on the way got opened.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Faedden

Wut? No one cares about roles here, in fact everything has been so dumbed down that people don't even have to know there roles, then on top of that. Everyone can play any class so no one takes a long time playing any class to actually LEARN it.
I literally can just smash anything in this game, other games not so much.

Ontopic: I like how Aion did DP, depending on what score you got depends on what boss and loots you got.

---

I hope I never meet you in DF as healer.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by saber_alter

nah, more like a dungeon with a DOH/DOL required mechanic.

hamlet was a world event.

---

Hamlet was still instanced

I thought about kinds of rules for sport-score dungeons and one of the kind could be class rules. For example, monk musnt lose GL buff. If that happened- score (time) penalty. BLM musnt gain Umbral Ice_3 or Astral Fire_3. If that happened- penalty. Or BLM musnt use Transpose. If happened- penalty. A LOT of different rules can be created for sport-score dungeons

you want hard dungeon for low level story quest?
do you have something against newbie?

dungeon become harder from level 35 for new players
example The Sunken Temple of Qarn

edit:

Quote:

---

In Tera such dungeons open on max level (60) and, of course, better gear- better result

---

you can joined any end game dungeon for hard mechanics (EX, CT...etc)

though not many people like sport fight in FF unless it's blitzball
(how many people play FFXI pvp?)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Greed

you want hard dungeon for low level story quest?
do you have something against newbie?

dungeon become harder from level 35 for new players
example The Sunken Temple of Qarn

---

In Tera such dungeons open on max level (60) and, of course, better gear- better result

What OP wants is an arcade game. The dungeons now could be more interesting but please don't do time trials... Make new dungeons with new mechanics, instead of hair pulling mind numbing recycled dungeons with a trial label pasted over.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Naiser

What OP wants is an arcade game. The dungeons now could be more interesting but please don't do time trials... Make new dungeons with new mechanics, instead of hair pulling mind numbing recycled dungeons with a trial label pasted over.

---

No no. Did you play Tera and know dungeons which I gave as an example?^^

I like the Kara chess event.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Onyxys

Please, find descriptions of these Tera dungeons. You will see how interesting they are and be sure- team play is very important there. And, for example, in Crucible of Flame players can enter just once per day. Or Sirjuka Gallery- there are some special rules to gain more scores. Going the way of this rules is the key to good result

---

SJG was actually a pretty well-designed, team-based scored dungeon. ToT was a bit dull mechanically, but it did have the challenge of requiring dps to solo different BAMs. I do agree that this kind of dungeon design helps liven things up. I wouldn't mind seeing something similar in ARR.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kuwagami

I'd like to have teamplay, not competition

---

I agree with this.
But theres a few issues on the side that would need addressing in some way in order for it to even work with ARR.
The current game, in fact even 1.0 the drops dont allow for good teamplay since they are Solo drops.
& need/greed without lock out from rolling again causes similar issues....& with lockout on a solo drop system Also causes a probliem as soon as they get there drop they will leave.
(If its party drops e.g. 4 man = 4 drops Per Each Boss Chest/Win say: 1 "king drop", 1 "queen drop" 2 "other drops" or a "joker" drop or something like that then they'd have 1000% more reason to stay & more reason to work in a team.
Best way to explain king/gold drop would be useful drop, queen/silver drop would be also useful drop but not as good or decent Gil drop, Other drop/Bronze could be crafting crap, Gil, Items preferable ones players can actually use unlike most potions or pvp crap, Joker drop could be pvp crap or 2 gil or a minion that pops 99% of the time e.t.c. this is just an explained example there are many other ways to reward teams)
This would be the starting point so people have a good enough reason to even concider working togeather, because lets face it alot of the players aren't that great even with easy content & we have zero reason to want to team with them if we A: dont know them, B: not in our FC <-- & that would be issue number 2 that needs addressing through gameplay change since they cant fix the lagg, or help players push buttons & dodge faster.....