ARC LB: heal?

As long as my main is not ARC, I'll ask you pro folks:

Why the ARC limit break skill is a sub-rate heal? I'm used to think that LB is an awesome skill to use at the right moment, but when I used it first time, it was to me... lolwut?!

As long as I am in party with DPS role, I were expecting a DPS skill, and a powerful one, too.
But it was a circle heal, and also of sub-rate power. I ruined everyone's else LB.
But maybe later it will prove useful, let me know please!

It's basically a hold-over from when CNJ was the sub-class for BRD.

As far as how useful it is, it does have its time to shine. Mostly, though, if the BRD is using the LB, it's because crap has gone very downhill and the healers are focusing on keeping the tank up. LB3 is still a full rez, even coming from a BRD, so it's better to have the BRD activate it than to have a healer drop from healing the tank for as long as LB3 and recovery takes. It's not something you'll be using often, but when you save the day with it (without the healers dying to animation lock), it's awesome.

Understood. Technically, that is the last flag before the road to a wipe opens :)

I think it fits nicely to bard's support-dps role, it is very useful if you have to use lb3 and healers don't have the time, I wouldn't change it.

I do think it's a bit odd considering they are currently labeled as DPS, but I think it's just how things are going to play out in the future for FFXIV (or were originally intended). As the game continues to progress, Hybrid classes are to be added, at least according to Yoshi-P. I think the only Hybrid in the game so far is the ARC ---> BRD. That's why, I'm guessing, they left the LB as heal.

In my opinion though, would be nice if each LB tier did something different. As it is, it makes no sense. Sure, in rather extreme conditions, the LB is useful. But every WHM I've come across is awesome as is, so there's never a need for it.

My thoughts: if it's considered a DPS, let it DPS.

If, and when, it is officially a Hybrid, give it a Hybrid LB. Tier 1 is a minor DPS Buff? Tier 2 is a Heal - and Tier 3 can be anything from a full Revive or even greater DPS Buff or even Debuff. Spit ballin'.

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Originally Posted by Zenky

I do think it's a bit odd considering they are currently labeled as DPS, but I think it's just how things are going to play out in the future for FFXIV (or were originally intended). As the game continues to progress, Hybrid classes are to be added, at least according to Yoshi-P. I think the only Hybrid in the game so far is the ARC ---> BRD. That's why, I'm guessing, they left the LB as heal.

In my opinion though, would be nice if each LB tier did something different. As it is, it makes no sense. Sure, in rather extreme conditions, the LB is useful. But every WHM I've come across is awesome as is, so there's never a need for it.

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oh healer lb3 is very useful in the endgame, sure lb1 and 2 are garbage but 3 is really great and can save your party.

About it's power, it's not sub-rate. The LB doesn't work like a normal skill, based on your personal stats.
A LB from a bard is as good a heal as an LB from a healer.

That said, healing LB is usually only used for LB3 (the mass raise, as viridiana mentioned).
I've seen it save some wipes and usually it's when the bard uses it.
The LB1 and LB2 are underwhelming even for healers, when LB2 heals for about as much as a Cure III (longer cast time, but of course it's free).
A cast time heal can never really be that good in this game when people are topped off so easily.
It'd be better as either instant (emergency) or a Heal over Time spell (stability), to really justify using it over a dps LB.

I am talking about my ARC/BRD still in its 30's. It means, is this a skill I can start to trust only on endgame, and all the way from level 1 to 49, is pure garbage?

Archer has healer LB because SE couldn't be bothered to design a ranged limit break just for archer and bard. It's my strong hope that when musketeer comes out it will get a ranged damage limit break that will also be added to archer. Bard should also really get a seperate limit break that fits both it's support and DPS roles, e.g a limit break that grants a damage buff to the party for a duration.

Healer LB is just there cause SE is lazy. It has a vague fitting on BRD and niche use at endgame but overall it really doesn't fit the class and should eventually be replaced.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

I am talking about my ARC/BRD still in its 30's. It means, is this a skill I can start to trust only on endgame, and all the way from level 1 to 49, is pure garbage?

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Pretty much. Best case scenario for Healer LB1 or LB2 while levelling, healer is dead and the boss has very little HP but you all are close to dying as well.
In that case, it would be better to use it on a dps LB but that only applies if the other dps is melee.

You may use it if there are 2 bards in the group, but that doesn't mean it's not garbage.

What if a new class did a DOT type of LB. Something to use when the boss still has like 15% health left, but the DOT would end up being more dmg than the melee LB. I think that would be pretty cool. Something to use to dramatically speed up the final phase of a tough boss.

Where do I use the bard LB :
1) Sirius, when the healer isn't good (or undergeared) to prevent issues with the charm.
2) Ifrit XM, after the big nail (we don't need a melee LB).

Using it to raise people is virtually useless in end-game fights.