2.16 ninja patch to T5 Phase 2 tanking?

Just heard from my FC mates the trick of MT walking into conflags to avoid plummet has been ninja patched => if your MT do so, Twintania will attack the 2nd on enmity list :rolleyes:

Anyone not T5 cleared this week wanna try and confirm?

Heard the same thing also.

Confirmed.

Not much of an issue anyway.

True, just treat it as Phase 4 DS.

The only problem I can see is that when 2 healers got conflagged. Nevertheless, it won't impose a real threat.

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Originally Posted by Thorauku

The only problem I can see is that when 2 healers got conflagged. Nevertheless, it won't impose a real threat.

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Just let the second healer eat his fireball, than that's no issue :)

Can you still avoid DS by going inside?
couldnt careless more about plummets

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Originally Posted by Azell

Can you still avoid DS by going inside?
couldnt careless more about plummets

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Nope. The trick of avoiding plummet and DS won't work now cos Twinny will target the 2nd hate.

Plus it is also reported that if your MT enters conflag, he lose ALL hate! D:

Other than that: Conflags have less HP, Snakes have Less HP.

Similar reporting found here: http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...xes_found_any/

Good thing my group stopped going into the conflag already before this change

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Originally Posted by Soulburn32

Good thing my group stopped going into the conflag already before this change

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The conflag thing wasn't much of an issue though, since the DS hits harder during DK/twister phase, if healers can handle them they should be able to do the same for conflags.

The surprising thing is they nerfed conflags and snakes prior to 2.2. I think no one expected any mechanism nerfs even for 2.2 since the live letter only mention about echo buffs.

Good to know, thanks for the update.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

The conflag thing wasn't much of an issue though, since the DS hits harder during DK/twister phase, if healers can handle them they should be able to do the same for conflags.

The surprising thing is they nerfed conflags and snakes prior to 2.2. I think no one expected any mechanism nerfs even for 2.2 since the live letter only mention about echo buffs.

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Conflags and snakes didn't need to be nerfed. I supposed the DS dodge was not working as intended, felt a little OP jumping into conflags.

I never really believed it was meant to be done that way and I remember BG got a lot of flak for doing it that way as well when they posted the video.

PLUS!, It's literally easy to rack up LB now, due to how SMN + SCH works. We had LB3 yesterday when we cleared it with the same lineup we're using the our past wins.

I feel that Twintania got dumbed down too early. Well, eventually we'll get there anyway.

These changes (all of them, plus T2 ones) were bugs in the 2.16 patch and will be reverted in a hotfix soon.

It's sad, I would have liked to try the nerfed conflags :p

So the nerf in Snakes and Dreads will be reverted back as well? And the divebomb icon?

Yeah seems so. I'm waiting for 2.2 patch to see real changes to T1-5

Not sure if they will retain the larger divebomb icons but the walking into conflag, conflag and snakes HP decrease will be reverted back. Yoshida in the Japanese forums side explained that these changes were unintended results of a bug fix (it's rather common to me since I work with IT people and it's true that when they fix one problem, they opened up other problems as as result).

Or alternatively, these might be changes intended for 2.2 but they accidentally ported over to 2.16 (remember that the introduction for 2.16 did mentioned that some of the changes were for 2.2 but they brought it forward to 2.16)

ds wasn't a problem at all even if both healers are trapped ♥