hey guys! so i've gotten my sch to 50 recently. still getting the hang of micromanaging my pet (took him off free-stance @32). my problem right now as a healer is that none of the pre-50 content that i had leveled with really prepared me for any 8-man content that i'd like to tackle with my scholar.
link to my current gear set up
gear progression goals:
HQ rose gold circlet w/+7 crit and either +11 pie or +16 speed
royal gloves this week
garuda ring
royal boots next week
myth pants week after
(leveling up PVP rank in the meantime for pvp chest, boots, ring, and book. i know pvp chest/book is a big loss of pie, but it just looks so cool)
i'm the melee in my static group, so i probably won't be able to really practice healing in any part of coil until 2.2.
my questions are
- what's the progression of 8-man content i should be tackling right now (in order of difficulty, i guess) so i can up my scholar game?
- is there some way on the ps3 that i can rearrange the party list so that i have MT in slot 2 and OT in slot 8?
- if tank is topped off and has an adlo/adlo+stoneskin on him, do i have enough time to pop into cleric's to get a bioII/miasma/bio on enemy? maybe even a bioII/miasma/bio/aero/shadow flare if my adlo crits?
- because of the debuff it gives, should i be regularly using shadow flare or is it better to use my bubble for Sacred Soil?
- for my super on-point scholars - about how much off-dps can a scholar clock in on the average 8-man fight while still being an effective healer?
- i plan on getting my CNJ to 34 for stoneskin [+DAT UNICORN THO] but would playing CNJ/WHM to 50 really give me much insight on how to SCH better? [generally, i've always felt like playing other classes will make you better at your own i.e. learning to tank made me a better dps, etc.] because lvling cnj right now is just patience testing
- when is it more mp efficient to stoneskin the tank instead of adlo? how often will i have enough time to get both on him (assuming that i don't have the luxury of a whm in my group)?
- for what fights is it better to have my fairy placed vs having him on heel?
- any other general tips?
fresh 50 sch looking for advice on how to up my game!
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02-15-2014, 11:07 AMTheHomieDatafresh 50 sch looking for advice on how to up my game!
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02-16-2014, 11:43 AMAsdamine
Hi, all of those are legit questions and I will answer them the best I can. Since you have excluded Coil in your question, I will simply answer in terms of Primals and CT - the only 8 men+ contents that are within moderate, to high, difficulty.
- if tank is topped off and has an adlo/adlo+stoneskin on him, do i have enough time to pop into cleric's to get a bioII/miasma/bio on enemy? maybe even a bioII/miasma/bio/aero/shadow flare if my adlo crits?
For Primal, you will not have the time to DPS because the tanks will be hit like a truck on a consistantly basis. Adlo and stoneskin will be gone within a matter of seconds. Only instance you will do DPS will be e.g. When Garuda is alone without the sisters or when Titan do the "about-to-fart" stance with two gaol. As for CT, you can pretty much have cleric stance on permenantly if the other healer has healing duty.
- because of the debuff it gives, should i be regularly using shadow flare or is it better to use my bubble for Sacred Soil?
This has been a debate for a long while on the healers forum. But frankly, the use of shadow flare over sacred soil or the other way around is COMPLETELY a personal choice. Personally, I would use sacred soil simply because I am a healer, and it is my job to negate damage and heal damage.
- i plan on getting my CNJ to 34 for stoneskin [+DAT UNICORN THO] but would playing CNJ/WHM to 50 really give me much insight on how to SCH better? [generally, i've always felt like playing other classes will make you better at your own i.e. learning to tank made me a better dps, etc.] because lvling cnj right now is just patience testing
I don't think it would assist you much in playing a SCH, simply because both classes are standing on the same POV. It would help you immensely if you play a tank, as it did wit mine, to know the habit and little tricks tanks do in a fight and how they move. If you really want to argue on WHM/SCH, I would say... it helps you to know you are better of raising than WHM. :P
- when is it more mp efficient to stoneskin the tank instead of adlo? how often will i have enough time to get both on him (assuming that i don't have the luxury of a whm in my group)?
I would say use Adlo instead over stoneskin, definitely. 1) Adlo gives heal, with an additional shield that gives the same amount of the heal on adlo. 2) if you scored a crit heal on adlo (my normal crit is 1.3k), you will place a shield on the double amount of the crit heal (meaning, it will be a 2.6k shield). Since cross class stoneskin only gives 10% (plus, it doesn't heal). A 10% on a normal pld tank of 6k HP would only be 600 stoneskin, now, you know where I am getting at.
- for what fights is it better to have my fairy placed vs having him on heel?
None, unless you expect yourself intentionally getting hit and want to avoid Eos getting hit as well. The only situation crossing my mind is Turn 1 whereby the boss occationally spits at you.
- any other general tips?
Macro Rouse+Whispering Dawn and the other Eos skill (which I forgot the name) for max AoE heal and execute in one button.
Macro Virus with a party announcement so that there will be no overlap/waste Virus when boss has immunity (especially when your macro is target's target, other healers usually use that too to not bother with targeting the boss and back to the tank).
Macro Physick+Embrace together to maximise heal (but some people prefer to be on seperate buttons with Embrace of mouse over for multi-heal. Personally, I do that mouse over macro for embrace on seperate button but I also macro it with physick since I often lack the awareness to press Embrace, the macro will do it for me instead.)
Get Swiftcast - NOW! NOW! NOW!
^And I mean, really get it NOW!
^^NOW! TODAY!
^^^ I will do you a favour, you are now barred from healing in any end game content until you get it! OK?!
Final advice, do not be stingy on using aetherflows on lustrate. I have seen many SCH let the tank die (accidentally or willingly) because they thought they should save it for the "oh-shit" moment. Well, tank died, that is "oh-shit" enough. -
02-16-2014, 12:50 PMIymala
- for what fights is it better to have my fairy placed vs having him on heel?
Only time I place Eos/Selene is Turn 5. If not placed they will path into the wall too often during dive bombs. Not to mention if you place them in your soaking group during Conflags, they will stay out healing people while you go inside the conflag if it is on you or you have the fireball that you are feeding to it. On all other occasions I use Obey/Heel.
- any other general tips?
I macro together both Speed Buffs on Selene on one macro. That way when you hit it every 30 secs it will fire whichever one is not on cooldown.
I keep embrace on a mouseover macro separate so that I can split heals (do not be afraid to use rouse with Embrace if you know that you do not have any big aoe damage coming. There are plenty of times I want to continue to stay in cleric stance that I can rouse my fairy and keep the tank up with her heals alone while I fire off more dps).
Macro Selene's Silence and get comfortable using it. It can be a huge help if an interrupter misfires their interrupt or dies and you need to step in to interrupt the boss.
I also macro rouse/fairy aoe heal together, but i keep the resist buff on a separate hotkey as I like using things manually for different circumstances. Same with the healing buff.
If you are grouped with a warrior tank watch their debuffs, you can cleanse off their silence from their enhanced damage self buff. I forgot the name of their buff.
This 1000 times over. Not only does it help get your friends who "lagged" up, but there are times when your fairy will forsake you and eat the floor.Quote:
Get Swiftcast - NOW! NOW! NOW!
^And I mean, really get it NOW!
^^NOW! TODAY!
^^^ I will do you a favour, you are now barred from healing in any end game content until you get it! OK?!
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02-16-2014, 01:35 PMMikedizzy
If you set up your heal macros correctly you can for the most part play Scholar very similar to white mage. I really like the utility of SCH being able to DOT stuff up to help out that little bit extra. The damage mitigation from SCH is very helpful in certain fights and works really well paired with a WHM. If you can get DPS in without hurting the group...dps as much as you can comfortably...just don't get overzealous and let the tank die...you will get the feel for this through playing a lot and then a lot more...I am still leveling my ARN but play WHM really well and I am looking forward to setting up my SCH this way...macro all heals withy Embrace, etc... cannot wait to play me some SCH.
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02-16-2014, 02:34 PMAnova
In terms of 8man progression and difficulty, it is easy to say that the difficulty rises from Ifrit, Garuda, CT, and then Titan. Coil is probably on par with Titan.
I can't answer your question about the party order although I believe it should be in the same place as the pc: your party menu that displays member location, class, etc and the up/down arrows.
It will depend on the boss and the tank's gear, but you can usually get a DOT combo off safely with an adlo + stoneskin. Be aware your tank will take some damage and may be at 50% hp after the full rotation. If you don't want to chance it, trigger the rouse + fey illumination + whispering dawn combo and have Eos make up for your healing. I use it to great effect in T4 when I use my SCH to add a full dps and shadowflare rotation on the juggernauts. Tank hasn't died once. For the most part, you will be able to dps during most primal fights and coil, except maybe Titan (depending how much damage your group is taking).
I would recommend using shadowflare over sacred soil unless you're using it to absorb a primal aoe or in coil. Your aetherflow stacks are generally better used for lustrate. Of course, feel free to sacred soil or energy drain if you have extra stacks and are using aetherflow again.
I can't give you specific numbers for SCH dps, but you will be able to contribute quite a bit. Do not discount the spellspeed and skillspeed buff from Selene. She's actually automated now too for a very quick and easy boost to party dps.
A thorough understanding of a WHM does help you in understanding their healing practices, especially the burst healing you see coming from them. As a SCH, you also have fewer aoe heals, mp management, and aggro management issues, so knowing how the WHM works does wonders for teaching you how to position yourselves and make it easier for the WHM. Generally, it will teach you to top everyone off with a barrier so you reduce overall damage and save your WHM some mp and aggro. You probably do not need to level a WHM to 50 to learn it, but just spending some time to talk healing with them should be enough. If anything, WHM seem to learn more from playing SCH than the other way around.
Adloquium is your bread and butter. It is on par with your stoneskin on a tank normally, and when it crits, is 3x more effective. You will always cast ado first, followed maybe by stoneskin. I usually put up a stoneskin before any big damage or pull, but find it less than optimal to cast during a fight. The biggest advantage is to give your tank some extra time to build aggro during an initial pull or add spawn (caduceus, T4, twintania snakes, etc) before you are forced to throw out heals on them. Be aware that an enemy will eat through adlo first and then stoneskin, which is very useful to know if you have to buff your tank up in T4 or anytime where adds appear while enemies are still attacking them.
I am in the habit of always placing my fairy. But you will find that some fights make it less than optimal. Place your fairy at any time you don't want it getting involved in a fight or if you want it in a very specific location (T2 if you're not doing enraged, twintania, etc). Be aware that placing the fairy will increase its overall healing as it will not spend time moving and will simply heal. Find the right place and you might not even have to move or re-summon it.
Otherwise, definitely get swiftcast. A caster without swiftcast is like a monk without blood for blood, pre-2.1.
I am assuming since you have rosegold circlet on your wishlist, that you want both int and mnd and are going smn as well. The Vanya hats are better if you need the extra vit and hp for survivability. Choose one or the other depending on your needs and playstyle. -
02-17-2014, 12:25 AMMagusVandel
Going on the points Asda made...
-Popping cleric on and off on PS3 is a huge pain. That said, if you do you the Fey Illumination+Rouse+Whispering Dawn Combo and hopefully the other healer is using medica II or the same combo, using cleric on certain sections (such as Titan Heart) is hugely beneficial, as it increases your Int from 200 to 400+ at later item levels. Usually, if the group is going well, I won't use this at all; in the case of dps just being a little too slow, however, I will occasionally pop Cleric and Bio II+Miasma+Bio and then dismiss cleric to speed up certain sections, as well as drop a shadowflare in there somewhere if there is time(this is especially useful if there are dps problems in Turn 4 of coil). On turn 4, you will wind up using Selene, so this becomes hectic.
-Also, I agree on stoneskin not having too much of a benefit over aldo, but if you can swiftcast it in addition to the galvanize bonus, I would do so. This has saved many groups I have rolled with on T1 more times than I can remember during the final boss' last phase. Bottom line: Get that swiftcast.
-My personal advice is learn both fairies as well as you can, since you will need to switch a few times in end game depending on the situation.
-And no, there is no way for you to personally set who is in box 2 and box 8 from what I've seen on ps3. Using the directional buttons though, you can target both tanks pretty quickly and press X to lock on, which can be vital when they switch on certain fights (Ultima). -
02-17-2014, 03:06 AMCabalabob
Only time I place my fairy is when my tanks pick towers as far apart from each other as they can on KB and the fight starts before I can ask them to fix it, I'll place eos closer to one tower and I'll stay closer to the other.
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02-17-2014, 06:39 AMDBthaONE
Forgive me, this is lengthy...
Same order as you did for your monk. I will say get familiar leeching and refreshing aether stacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHomieData
Absolutely. In the Party Members menu, select a name and move it up or down using the d-pad. I do this eveytime, just so tanks are closer to my name.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHomieData
In a healing intensive fight, no. You'll only get to really dps if the other Healer is comfortable solo-healing. You may find time then.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHomieData
Probably not, but it's a personal choice. Although the slow is nice on enemies, unless you have swiftcast available its cast time is generally too long. Even if you do have swiftcast, do you really wanna use it for this and not something more important like raising? At the same time do you wanna use an aether stack for sacred soil and not lustrate? It's your choice either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHomieData
Super on-point scholars solo heal everything, so I doubt there's much dps to be done. (Off topic, but a scholar in cleric stance does about as much damage as a summoner, discounting pets and fester.)Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHomieData
They don't really play all that similar, at their core. Mages have to really watch their mp, while scholar begs for bigger aoe heals. Paying summoner will probably make you more of a better scholar than white mage will, since it will teach you how to manage aethers stacks. But it is nice to know more about the role your paying with. The point is, you won't be that much worse not learning white mage, but it is still nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHomieData
It is only mp efficient to stone skin before a fight, otherwise the answer is never. I do cast stoneskin on tanks if I get an adloq critical just as an extra. You can't beat the shield + healing in adloq.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHomieData
Honestly, this is more of case by case thing. I really only place my pet if someone would be out of the range for an ability. For example, I place on T1 since I don't wanna get near Cad to make sure a tank gets whispering dawn. Otherwise, I don't place the fairy for fear of the party or them moving out of range and I hate moving my pet.Quote:
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Allow me to elaborate...Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHomieData
The macro is Rouse + Fey Illumination + Whispering dawn. Monitor that it happens like it should, fairies will skip a macro command to cast embrace sometimes. This is one of the best macros you'll make. And get swiftcast!Quote:
Originally Posted by Asdamine
The buff is called Beserk. The debuff is called Pacification. It only lasts 5 seconds so I wouldn't worry about removing it too much (definitely not a priority to remove like Disease). Good warriors will let you know it's coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iymala
Both have the same vitality, mind, and critical hit rate. The circlet does have extra determination, which raises base heals, while Vanya has piety. Either is truly fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anova
My personal advice is:
1. Become proficient managing aetherflow stacks. Don't save them too much. They're vital to mp management, which is one of the best things about scholars.
2. Don't spam adloq, it'll kill your mp, even if you're religiously refreshing aether. Physick should always be your go-to heal, adloq is for buffing.
3. Healing is more important than damage. Never forget that. If you spend an entire instance only healing you've done your job.
4. Don't forget virus (make sure it isn't on immunity by checking if the target has a spiral-like icon) and eye 4 eye. They're really good tools.
5. If you macro fairy embrace, Eos will fly to the healing target even if they're out of your range.
A few things about "embrace" macro:
Unless you're actually on PC, or you use a mouse (and I'm not certain about this), the "mouse over" command doesn't work for ps3. Your best option is to have your fairy heal whatever your target is. If you're locked on a different target than the one you're healing it'll revert back to the locked target for your fairy. You have to have like a 1 second wait before the embrace command.
Selene's "embrace" cannot be macroed on ps3. It's a bug that I hope gets fixed soon. Therefore, I actually no reason not to leave Selene in sic mode. She's pretty good managing the speed buffs, her silence can be unreliable (not happening exactly when you need it), and you can't macro her most important ability. However if you wanna macro it, you're more than welcome.
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02-17-2014, 05:30 PMKyomih
You did get some great advice already.
On the topic of placing or not:
I generally like to place my fairy in two instances:
- The fight requires quite a bit of moving around on my part. The fairy might get delayed in her cast if she has to follow me which in turn tends to screw up my rotation with embraces on healing intense fights.
- I don't want to be close to a target but the fairy needs to be.
Examples I definitely place the Fairy:
Titan HM and EX
Coil T1 and T5 (for Conflag/Fireball Phase and for Divebomb Phase).
Generally on tank-healing intense fights I prefer to have her placed and focused on the tank and not have to move around/delays in her casting but I don't mind placing her manually and adjust her position several times during fights.
In easier content such as dungeons I also like to place here so I can move around without interrupting her solo healing. Especially since most Ground AoEs will hurt me but not her. So I might move around more than she would have to, interrupting her heals.
I hardly ever use Shadow Flare in 8x content. The only exception is T4 for some of the Phases we use AoE (bugs at start etc).
As mentioned above, it is kinda of a case by case decision and it also depends on what you are more comfortable with. I don't think there is a real "right or wrong here" and if your fairy keeps dying during a fight (other than healing aggro which shouldn't happen anyway) it's probably a clear indication that you should do the opposite of what you are doing with her ;) -
02-18-2014, 05:48 PMTheHomieData
thank you everyone for the advice! it's been helping a lot!
edit - i got switftcast now <3<3<3<3 -
02-18-2014, 10:40 PMSanguisio
Congrats on joining the SCH group.
Warning wall of text, but as helpful as I can be.
- what's the progression of 8-man content i should be tackling right now (in order of difficulty, i guess) so i can up my scholar game?
I suggest doing mog, you will learn about multi target healing, debuffing, and mitigation without too much pressure.
- if tank is topped off and has an adlo/adlo+stoneskin on him, do i have enough time to pop into cleric's to get a bioII/miasma/bio on enemy? maybe even a bioII/miasma/bio/aero/shadow flare if my adlo crits?
this is one is debated alot. IMO it depends on the tank for instance a stone skin is more effective on a War due to higher health so the mitigation/casttime is more efficient than on a PLD, however a PLD can usually get away with not being healed constantly as they do take less (I know its almost proportional to WAR, but team morale plummets when they MT with low HP) so you can DPS a bit. Best thing to do if you are planning to dps, is to prior to the fight make a macro which forces Eos or Selene to turret heal the tank only, then do this sequence, stone if you wish, Aldo, then when shields go set her off with the macro (my fairys heal 900-1.2k with rouse) while having lustrates on stand and you can safely go into cleric and dps for a while, and pop a lustrate of when needed, when dpsing as SCH I would suggest stick to DOTs and Energy Drain if needed.
- because of the debuff it gives, should i be regularly using shadow flare or is it better to use my bubble for Sacred Soil?
if the mob is affected by slow, go with shadow flare on the basis if they are slower it means less healing is needed along with the other benefits, for big hits (hellfire, aerial thingy etc) sacred soil.
- for my super on-point scholars - about how much off-dps can a scholar clock in on the average 8-man fight while still being an effective healer?
without figures id say you will clock about 2/4-2/3s of a SMN potentially if you use lustrates and micro manage your fey.
- i plan on getting my CNJ to 34 for stoneskin [+DAT UNICORN THO] but would playing CNJ/WHM to 50 really give me much insight on how to SCH better? [generally, i've always felt like playing other classes will make you better at your own i.e. learning to tank made me a better dps, etc.] because lvling cnj right now is just patience testing
It would help by having you know when your buffs are appreciated, when the point at when their MP is reaching danger zone so you need to step up your healing if you haven't been already. But honestly you won't learn anything you wouldn't learn from talking to one.
- when is it more mp efficient to stoneskin the tank instead of adlo? how often will i have enough time to get both on him (assuming that i don't have the luxury of a whm in my group)?
If you have nothing do, and your DOTs are up, use stoneskin.
- for what fights is it better to have my fairy placed vs having him on heel?
I always place my fairy, it boosts her effectiveness if she doesnt have to move anywhere. So make her range covers both healers and the back/flanks of the mob so that any AOEs hit everyone.
It would help by having you know when your buffs are appreciated, when the point at when their MP is reaching danger zone so you need to step up your healing if you haven't been already. But honestly you won't learn anything you wouldn't learn from talking to one.
- when is it more mp efficient to stoneskin the tank instead of adlo? how often will i have enough time to get both on him (assuming that i don't have the luxury of a whm in my group)?
If you have nothing do, and your DOTs are up, use stoneskin.
- for what fights is it better to have my fairy placed vs having him on heel?
I always place my fairy, it boosts her effectiveness if she doesnt have to move anywhere. So make her range covers both healers and the back/flanks of the mob so that any AOEs hit everyone.
make sure you are rotating Virus, E4AE and sacred soil when doing single target single healing on heavy mobs as it will help alot.
If you can manage with just physick, just use physick. However that doesnt mean if you are using physick the WHM or SCH should have to make up the difference with Cure 2 and Aldo.
Synchronicity with SCHs is the best healing couple imo, for big AOEs, just split team between you and Aldo just before.
If you can, micro manage you fey to get the most of their abilities. E.g its pointless having her use WD without rouse, or Fey light/glow during an boss animation or when the last mob is almost dead.
Keep aetherflow on CD, you need to blowing those stacks every minute.
If you are going to DPS, somehow let other healer know.
If you can, heal SMN pets. If a SMN can save swiftcast, they will usually use it to raise, which saves you MP, and it also allows them to keep DPS up which return means less overall healing needed as mob will die quicker. -
02-18-2014, 11:55 PMKyomih
Sanguisio, you can just edit your first comment with all the text you want to add. There is no word count in edit mode.
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02-19-2014, 08:00 AMArdan
As a healer is there a reliable way to target SMN's Egi? I play on PC using a gamepad.
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02-19-2014, 11:00 AMJudge_Xero
For being concerned about tossing up DOTs etc while you have free time. You can practice first by tossing them on while not in Clerics. If you get Bio Miasma and Bio II up and then Bane it to multiple mobs it's better than nothing. Can also start in Clerics to toss out Dark Matter on the pull then switch. You can then move up to timing when you will use Lustrate stacks so that you can have full heals while in Clerics.
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02-19-2014, 11:45 AMHysterior
what's the progression of 8-man content i should be tackling right now (in order of difficulty, i guess) so i can up my scholar game?
CT for free i80 every week, then anything that cap your myth tomes (450 a week). Once at least i70, you can tackle Bahamut.
is there some way on the ps3 that i can rearrange the party list so that i have MT in slot 2 and OT in slot 8?
Haven't played on PS3 for long time but should be a way in the communication/social section of the main menu. You should be able to drag and drop names up and down. I always sort the list before every fight.
if tank is topped off and has an adlo/adlo+stoneskin on him, do i have enough time to pop into cleric's to get a bioII/miasma/bio on enemy? maybe even a bioII/miasma/bio/aero/shadow flare if my adlo crits?
I personally do. I have all my skills macroed. All my attack skills can be cast when targeting the tank (using <tt>) and I added a embrace <t> macro on thos attack ones. So basically, whenever I attack. the fairy heals the tanks. So for trash mobs, I almost don't even need to heal. Ex: did AK the other day, I was in CS the whole time attacking while pet was healing. Just throwing a Lustrate here and then when he took more damage that she could heel.
But i would say this: attack when your are confortable doing so. I would have never throw any attacking spells first time i was doing titan. I was too busy running, healing... now tthat i know the fight well, i am much more aggressive. So first Heal, then when situation is in control, attack to make the phases go quicker.
because of the debuff it gives, should i be regularly using shadow flare or is it better to use my bubble for Sacred Soil?
For beginning of a fight, even primal X i would use Swiftcast+Shadow flare because i dont think that either your pet or team member will die soon so you can use that swiftcast for something else. sacred soil is useful when people take lot of unavoidable damage. But sacred soil help pushing to other phases quicker. So I would use accordingly
for my super on-point scholars - about how much off-dps can a scholar clock in on the average 8-man fight while still being an effective healer?
I never use parser so i can't say but as mentioned before, i try to put dots whenever possible so it sure helps a lot
- i plan on getting my CNJ to 34 for stoneskin [+DAT UNICORN THO] but would playing CNJ/WHM to 50 really give me much insight on how to SCH better? [generally, i've always felt like playing other classes will make you better at your own i.e. learning to tank made me a better dps, etc.] because lvling cnj right now is just patience testing
To me, every job helps me play the other ones better. I did not know what skills tank used until I level mines. And I can now now when the WHM is slacking because I play that role too :)
- when is it more mp efficient to stoneskin the tank instead of adlo? how often will i have enough time to get both on him (assuming that i don't have the luxury of a whm in my group)?
I can't think of any 4-man content that need me to stoneskin during the fight... I do before but never during. And in 8 man it really should be WHM job so stick to adlo.
for what fights is it better to have my fairy placed vs having him on heel?
I have her on heel quick a lot when i know there is a good spot where she can reach people without getting damage or place where she can WD on most people. For CT i would have her on heel most of the time but will place her for bone dragon because I just from platform to platform and she can get poison) but that's it on top of my head. For most dungeon she is on heel. only place during poisn-heavy dungeon like aurum vale. For bahamut i place during T1 bosses (ADS and twintania) and then during T5. T2 and 4 she follow me. For primal X I have her on heel for garuda, place (our of the arena on left side, near the 11 superbomb) for titan x and i try to go to ifrit as WHM lol but I guess placed is better for that fight too.
any other general tips?
I use loads of macros and that helps me a lot
- all my attacking spells can be use when i target the tank (and therefore attack the target of the tank) and heal the target with embrace. This allow me to heal simple wounds while making wounds of myself on mobs.
- all my healing spells are also macroed with embrace and i also have macros for Eos (Rouse+fey illu+WD) for Selene i use her 2 skills every 30sec manually -
02-20-2014, 02:32 PMCookar
I strongly disagree with macroing multiple abilities together in one keybind. For instance, I saw a suggestion to macro Rouse, Fey Illumination and Whispering Dawn together.
You have to understand that in 8 man content, you will usually be taking on the role of tank healer with the white mage usually handling raid/aoe healing. There will be times when you want to rouse just to increase the effectiveness of your tank embraces. There will be times when you want to fey illumination to boost the effectiveness of single target heals by you, eos and the white mage. To have them all macroed together limits your ability to react to different situations correctly.
Instead of macroing these types of abilities together, keybind them to similar spots. For instance I have:
Rouse: ctrl-r
Fey Illumination: ctrl-t
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02-20-2014, 02:35 PMCookar
I don't know why but the forums don't want me to go over 1000 words. Anyway to finish the above thought, with those keybinds I can still quickly get off my big aoe hot by pressing ctrl r->t->5, but maintain the flexibility to use those abilities separately if I so choose. The same thing applies to macroing embrace into physick or adloquium. By having a separate keybind for embrace, it is easier to split heals or spam embrace while dpsing in cleric stance.
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02-20-2014, 02:47 PMAnova
You can click the "edit post" button to add more after you post. The 1000 word limit only applies to the initial post. Don't ask me why.
I think it's fine to have a macro for everything (for those situations when you really need it). But as Cookar said, you may find it better at times to have the skills on individual basis for those situations where just a rouse, illumination, or a whispering dawn is enough. Of course, that is assuming you have the buttons to include all the hotkeys you want. Experiment and find a happy combination of automated macros and ability versatility that works for you. -
02-21-2014, 10:29 PMDBthaONEThey fixed the issue with Selene's embrace for ps3 in patch 2.16 although it wasn't mentioned in the patch notes, or I haven't found it mentioned in the patch notes. Thus, I would like to retract my advice about not leaving Selene in obey mode. Personally I don't think I will use Selene in any more other than sic, but you are welcome to try to use her as you see best.Quote:
Originally Posted by DBthaONE
I hope you realize TheHomieData is Most likely playing on ps3. They may be using a mouse and keyboard (although I have no idea how) in which case binding may be a feasible action. However if it is not....Quote:
Originally Posted by Cookar
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02-22-2014, 04:11 AMRiyos5 secs of patification after 20 secs of berserk. Actually it's not essential to leech the pacification, mainly because it's only a 5s debuff. Do it only when it's a safe moment, everyone is full and you have nothing to do. The war will probably love you for this, but as i already said, it's not essential nor very useful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iymala
A thing that is instead VERY useful is to use lustrate with war's Thrill of Battle. ToB gives him 20% of HP(healing him for that amount) for 20 seconds. And more HP means stronger Lustrate. -
02-22-2014, 04:19 AMzaviermhigo
I dont know if it was already said, so I'll second anyone who said it previously, but macro your pet abilities to your abilities is nice. Of course having pet in obey is necessary and with the last patch they made that way easier, now just press obey.
So I like to macro in a fey convenant with a succor, even if its not up while you're succoring it might be up again, nice little boost, even macro in Rouse in there too. I like to macro embrace to both heals, but not Lustrate, its not really necessary. Its just nice it gives an extra oopmh to our heals.
Macro swiftcast to your pet summons, just quick and easy, if you don't have swift cast up its just going to skip that and cast summon still.
So my healing macros look something like this:
/ac "Physick" <t>
/pac "Embrace" <t>
/ac "Succor" <me>
/wait
/ac "Rouse" <me>
/pac "Fey Covenant" <me>
/ac "Adloquium" <t>
/pac "Embrace" <t>
people may have other suggestions, this typically works for me in most everything I do. I don't like to macro whispering dawns, cause sometimes in high end game content with crappy tanks it pulls hate, so I'm choosy about using it. Like in Garuda EX it was pulling hate off OT whole time. -
02-23-2014, 02:13 PMAiChyan
On PS3 you can change the order of the party members through the party menu. Just press x on who you want to move and just move them up and down. I typically do place my co-healer first then my tanks.
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02-24-2014, 02:55 AMMagusVandelThis is incredible useful knowledge. Thank you, I always thought the HUD menu places were arbitrary.Quote:
Originally Posted by AiChyan