Enhancing open world / immersion / lore

You have many players complaining about how small the world is and how it's an "empty lobby" and I have an idea that could change this with minimal cost for new assets.

I believe you can make a lot of people happy as well as improve the games immersion and depth if once you clear a dungeon, you're able to enter it in an open world setting with no or very few monsters. You can turn them into mini quest hubs so a player can see what happens after they clear it.

As it stands now, you are tasked with clearing a dungeon for an NPC - but for what? I cleared Stone Vigil for Ishgard and it just fills back up with dragons and it remains a dragon stronghold? Why not see them having taken it back with quests to help restore it? Why not see Sibold paying respects at Chimera's den with a quest to learn more about the Darklight Raiders? Why can't we enter Dzemael Darkhold and see it completed?

I believe there are many things that can be done with this, please look into it.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

I cleared Stone Vigil for Ishgard and it just fills back up with dragons and it remains a dragon stronghold?

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LOL that's very true. It would be nice if they expanded the open world like this. It would open things up for a lot more content.

I'm not sure that would be as easy as you think. The dungeons are set on an instanced server and allocated their own space. Idk much about server maintenance and all that, but I think adding onto currently existing zones by expanding their area with sprawling dungeons would be somewhat costly. I think the idea is cool, but not sure if the cost is reasonable.

May aswell support the ongoing thread on this topic.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-with-no-teeth.

I hope they don't get lazy.

ever notice how hauke manor hard looks like its in the past and normal looks the present?

I never stated it would be easy. I'm sure it would have a fair cost. But it would be leaps and bounds less than all new content as they already have the assets done and ready, as in the area being added is already competed and just needs to be put in.

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Originally Posted by Eclipse

May aswell support the ongoing thread on this topic.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-with-no-teeth.

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That seems like a different topic to me. I didn't read much of the comments but the OP is looking for a dangerous world, I'm seeking to go into dungeons in the open world.

there is a topic on that too.

But the thread as a whole is getting ideas for open world as a whole.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

But it would be leaps and bounds less than all new content as they already have the assets done and ready, as in the area being added is already competed and just needs to be put in.

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From the little bit of game design I've done, here is where the problem lies. Just because you have a space fleshed out and set up in a separate location does not mean it can be tacked on to the existing world. Doing this is essentially like creating new content; not new art concepts and all that but changing the geometry of the established map to fit this entire new "zone" into your current space.

I do think this could be done in patches maybe, like the structure shifting they did in patch 2.1, but then we would see a delay in actual new content for patches because they would be working on fitting in dungeons for us to just walk around in. I hope I'm not coming across as "hating" on your idea. I just don't think it would be feasible to do now, while they are trying to create content for us in their alternating patch schedule currently running. Maybe if we ever see some downtime in the development cycle?

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Originally Posted by KyroeFelix

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I do see it as doable, it's much less work than newly made content and it would provide new rehashed content. Which, by the way is much easier/costly to develop, which is why rehash is always the first of new content. Even by your mindset then we shouldn't have hard/extreme modes because it would mean less people developing newly made content either and I love the hard/extreme modes, so I'm going to have to disagree with you.

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Originally Posted by Eclipse

there is a topic on that too.

But the thread as a whole is getting ideas for open world as a whole.

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So you'd want me to derail the thread further? No thank you.

It'll be nice to have a codex section so that we can read up on everything we've discovered. Or atleast be able to read some of the books like in many other rpgs to learn more about the lore.

Also have more monsters like chimera and hydra where its not on DF and you have to make a party of your own and travel to where they're located.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Also have more monsters like chimera and hydra where its not on DF and you have to make a party of your own and travel to where they're located.

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This they could easily do, however, Yoshi-P's design philosophy is all about not creating content/tools that would deter new players. So, because newer players may not be able to get a party together and hunt down these monsters (even if designed for lower level classes) and therefore wouldn't be able to experience the content easily, it wasn't put into the game. This philosophy is why people cannot send /tells in a dungeon and why we didn't have a vote to kick feature for instances until very recently when it became more of a problem to keep an entire party together, rather than remove an afker and replace them. So, as with anything, it may happen in patches to come, but don't hold your breath.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

I cleared Stone Vigil for Ishgard and it just fills back up with dragons and it remains a dragon stronghold?

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Just a note on this case in particular.
You did not clear Stone Vigil, the Stone Vigil is a lot larger than that (if you look at the Stone Vigil map and compare it to the Steel Vigil that is up in open world you will realize that you were only in one of the wings of it). All that you dead was sneak in and recapture a forgotten airship, the Stone Vigil is still dragon territorry.

sounds neat :3

I'm 100% in agreement with Amy on this. I think it's a great idea, including the thought of turning them into quest hubs.

I'd like to add that immersion can be improved with added exploration options, too. Take down all the invisible walls that are designed to keep players out of places. Let us climb up into areas that maybe have no purpose. It's a very beautiful world and many of us would like to be able to explore freely, but we can't because of the invisible walls and inability to climb up into other places.

Here you go.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Up-To-Explore.

I'd like to see the loading screens go away for a more open world experience. Also the Airship being a cutscene is really lame. Wish I could ride to my destination and see the world as a whole down below me watching other players running around and such. Bring back the boat from FFXI! Haha kidding but seriously, please make this more "open" instead of segmented.

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Originally Posted by KyteStones

I'd like to see the loading screens go away for a more open world experience. Also the Airship being a cutscene is really lame. Wish I could ride to my destination and see the world as a whole down below me watching other players running around and such. Bring back the boat from FFXI! Haha kidding but seriously, please make this more "open" instead of segmented.

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Welcome to FFXIV 1.0

played 1.0 :) there's a lot of stuff i wish they would have kept though :( i get the need for rework and a "faster" paced game but man did they take a lot of good stuff out. I actually enjoyed 1.0 contrary to its problems, just wish they didn't do the 100% overhaul in a "wrong" direction so to speak.