This game feels like a prison, mostly because of duties.

Yes, it makes it easy for us to join activities anytime in just few clicks. But, how about enjoying the actual game?

You can't really explore the game world anymore.. You're in one place clicking on duties, and doing a new one at the same spot you're in. Doing quests? No problem, just teleport to the map where it is, because we have Aetheryte in EVERY map!
So it doesn't feel like you're really going too far from the same spot you were in.. The world in game is so small!

Also, why all of the duty battles (mostly boss) are in limited arena? It's kind of suffocating! Even PvP arena!

Where is the open-world game?

Have you tried Treasure Maps?

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Originally Posted by BunnyChain

Have you tried Treasure Maps?

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Yes, I have. Still easy to reach and that's just something to past time since it doesn't drop anything good.

They killed what made FFXI fun as hell, the exploration. I don't understand why every MMO is chasing after the WoW structure, because everyone is tired of that design and wants change. The MMOs kill themselves before they even launch due to this, and greatly reduce their life expectancy.

seriously, ppl complain about convenience? why would you want to run 30 mins to reach a location and do a quest that last 5 mins like they did in 1.x, if u really want that, nothing stopping u from not using the teleport, just walk there yourself and stop moaning

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Originally Posted by vilgryn

You can't really explore the game world anymore..

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The game never takes away your ability to traverse the world. If you don't enjoy a game where you can teleport around so readily, then the option is still open to you to walk or chocobo or travel however you like. That way, you can play the game how you like and those of us who are ok with the ease of teleporting can still do so.

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Where is the open-world game?

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I believe FFXIV offers a very balanced variety of open/closed world content. For open content you have FATEs (which includes world bosses), levequests (which includes a HUGE variety for battle, gathering, and crafting classes), treasure hunting (for solo and groups!), Beastmen daily quests (with two tribes promises each patch), and this in additon to the more 'generic' activities that are part of the open world like questing, farming monsters, gathering, and crafting.

If you only focus on the gear treadmill, you probably won't participate in these things, I suggest trying to broaden your play style, you might enjoy it!

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seriously, ppl complain about convenience? why would you want to run 30 mins to reach a location and do a quest that last 5 mins like they did in 1.x, if u really want that, nothing stopping u from not using the teleport, just walk there yourself and stop moaning

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I don't get this either. You explore the World once, learn where you can find certain enemies and other points of interests and that's it. The world is not evolving or changing so why would somebody want longer travel times? When you level your job to 50 for the first time, exploring the World is a good thing. But already with the 2nd character, you just want to get things done because you know the World already.

I for once could do without the endless teleporting and zoning into different maps just to speak with one NPC who directs me to the next map. That's odd quest design in my book that is hiding that there isn't enough to do and claimed to be a time sink. I personally prefer grinding time sinks (do a dungeon a dozen of times to get the mats you need) from this kind of time sink.

I don't need a bigger World, making the existing zones more interesting is a complete different thing. Add random events besides FATES you can do solo and in parties. Add bosses to the Open World, add monsters that are actually dangerous instead of just beeing annoying. Who said that you can't have dungeons or Underworld areas in each single map besides the instanced dungeons? Why can't there be a NPC on the map from time to time who leads me to a random dungeon to get something done? Eorzea is a nice World already, it just needs to be filled more with interesting stuff to do. Making it bigger and make people travel longer won't solve anything.

Geez, give it time. It was re-released like 7-8 months ago...this is "vanilla". Long running MMOs didn't get a world expansion until an actual game expansion. Game companies don't expand the world every patch, they add little tidbits to keep people paying. The big stuff comes in expansions. People have to play with the tidbits, if you don't you'll get bored.

I personally feel that the game works well as far as convenience vs. exploration in its current state. Sure I wish the game world was a bit bigger, but I am hoping and somewhat expecting that new open-world areas will be added down the line in expansions.

A lot of the newer content (2.1) forces you to go out into the open-world to areas you really didn't need to go to in order to unlock the new end game content, such as having to go do the FATE in the sahaugin area.
Also the gathering classes have you out and about and exploring in the open-world all the time.

There are plenty of things and reasons in the game to have you explore the world and there is also the duty system for convenience, both of these things will also continue to expand as the game grows.

I am fine with current system.

Plenty of things to find and see. I didn't know about all the coil suspected areas that others have explored. Personally I think the size is just fine and will only get bigger with expansions.

OP,

They make new games everyday. Why don't you go try one?

How can you complain, there are so many methods of transport to see different views, you can walk/run from map to map let alone walk around the whole map.

You can use your mount, a fun way to travel with extra speed.

You can use the airship.

You can teleport.

You can use in city crystals.

They are catering for every type of gamer, I think what they have done is quite brilliant really, in time maps will extend, new places to go, new things to do, just go and 'enjoy' the game the way you want to.

So many classes to level, things to save for, dungeons to explore.

Primals were made for a group to tactically beat a boss, of course it is in a small arena, how else can they test you if you are running away?

Even though I am a FF fanatic I can see they have catered for all basic principals they need in a game.

Vik

You have never been to prison/jail.

It feels nothing like gaming.

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They killed what made FFXI fun as hell, the exploration. I don't understand why every MMO is chasing after the WoW structure, because everyone is tired of that design and wants change. The MMOs kill themselves before they even launch due to this, and greatly reduce their life expectancy.

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Speak for yourself. FFXI wasn't fun, it was tedious and mind-numbing. Companies are chasing the WoW structure, because it works. A game with nearly 10 years of longevity, 4 expansions with a 5th on the way and millions of players.

No one makes you use the crystals to travel. Use your mount. If you're longing for FFXI's tedious nature... Use your feet. Problem solved.

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Actually, one of the first things I did was go exploring. And it was fun. Tough, especially when I KNEW I was well out of areas where I could handle threats (lol, I still have pics from my first Coerthas visit when I was like, lv. 21).

It may not be a very large world, but go off the beaten path once in a while and just explore for the hell of it :)

It stops being a wondrous journey the fourth time through.

How many people actually care about any opening in the Elder Scrolls? If we had a skip button built in, we'd mash that sonuvadovakin so fast.

I rarely ever teleported on my first 1-50 playthrough. I enjoyed exploring too much.

First Alt? I don't understand how anyone could enjoy an MMO without something as useful as the Aethercytes. If 1.0 was running from one city-state to another on foot with vastly oversized, lifeless environments with no sprint or chocobo, then i understand why it was free for its lifetime and scrapped.

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They killed what made FFXI fun as hell, the exploration. I don't understand why every MMO is chasing after the WoW structure, because everyone is tired of that design and wants change. The MMOs kill themselves before they even launch due to this, and greatly reduce their life expectancy.

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you failed to find the fun in the game as soon as you compared it to FFXI.


P.S. this game is not XI if you want something similar then go play XI >.>

I just started a thread on that...but it's also what I've come to wonder...where is the world i can explore? It's just so small..i can run across the Sagoli desert in less then a minute really???

The game is new so it's relatively small until expansions...but I think what the OP was getting at is there is a lack of open world content. Although I enjoy the game myself & play it daily, I agree with the OP.

Let's be honest with ourselves...if you have done one FATE, you have done them all. Don't give me that "nuh-uh, they are different" speech either because they really aren't. Each zone mirrors each other in FATE styles with variations in level, mobs & names...other than that, the same. If you have leveled more than 1 job to 50 prior to 2.1...you were praising SE for the dungeon XP boost so that you didn't have to do FATEs as often.

Quests...you can run out of these...trust me. As for the daily beastmen tribe quests, once you max rank both factions, you don't care to repeat the exact same quests over and over again for minimal rewards. The only time these are really useful is when you get another class to lvl 42 and want the xp for a few days until you hit 50.

Treasure Maps are closer to the type of content it needs but nowhere near enough as they stand. You can only harvest one a day if you don't want to buy them...they last very little time & yield fairly poor rewards. I do like them as they remind me a bit of popped NM fights from XI which were fun (no real camping needed, just get several pops and have yourself an afternoon trying for rare rewards & challenging fights)...but they just aren't very hard & again, don't offer much for rewards.

Everything being a push of the button away is nice, but there should be more options like that of the treasure maps for people who want it. Also, the lack of open world dungeons/castles is sad. Zones like Castle Vahzl Baileys, Sky, Sea, etc. are what a lot of people want (with more purpose to them of course). Places like that where you could teleport one zone away, but not inside the stronghold are great. Gives people something to explore, scales difficulty depending on how deep you travel in, & increases the odds of finding rare rewards.

At any rate, it's early in the game's life & SE proved with FFXI that they do know how to make a long lasting & entertaining game...we just have to keep voicing what we want & have faith that they will deliver. I expect a ton of awesome changes & additions to hit us with the first expansion...so I am being patient and just running with what we have now.