Coil (in general)

So...here's my thing. I can get ilvl90 gear from just running roulette and hitting my cap every week, so why bother with coil other than just for S and G's?
Now, depending upon your build you might want to mix and match certain pieces....but then you're only going after a certain turn repeatedly, not coil in its entirety.
As it stands right now I would much rather get into roulette each day for about 2 hours and then hit CT for my myth (and probably not die a whole bunch). So in essence, the only time i would go into coil is to go after something specific, maybe.
I guess it's for the people who care about clearing the game's currently most difficult content?

That's pretty much exactly it. Coil gives you the chance to acquire top tier gear that will supplement your myth spending. It offers faster vertical improvement at the cost of being a fairly demanding set of challenges. Once the next tier of gear comes out and the first turns of coil are made easier, it will become more accessible to players that, as you said, may simply have no need to acquire that gear otherwise.

I dont understand why people dont do coil. Its the best loot and the most challenging content in the game. Sure some myth is BIS over allagan gear, but still, its lvl 90 gear that you dont have to spend myth on. If it wasnt for coil, I probably would have quit the game a while ago. What do you do with all your 90 gear other than stand in revenants toll or do primals/dungeons that are easily beatable without great gear. Where is the challenge?

Not to mention, the main story is tied to coil as well, so theres that. I guess a better question would be what is the point of doing coil pre 2.2? And the answer for me, is to be entertained with difficult content, while acquiring the best gear possible through mix and match allagan/myth, getting the BIS weapons (T5), and being ready to tackle Turn 6-9 right away when 2.2 is released. Doing coil pre patch imo is to satisfy hardcore or semi hardcore players and their groups.

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Originally Posted by Kimura410

I dont understand why people dont do coil. Its the best loot and the most challenging content in the game. Sure some myth is BIS over allagan gear, but still, its lvl 90 gear that you dont have to spend myth on. If it wasnt for coil, I probably would have quit the game a while ago. What do you do with all your 90 gear other than stand in revenants toll or do primals/dungeons that are easily beatable without great gear. Where is the challenge?

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Well there are a few reasons, some find it intimidating, can't find groups, aren't in an FC, have little interest in dungeon content (I don't understand why but some people just aren't into it), some people who do coil take it way too seriously and that can turn people off And on the other side some people just don't care enough to learn and just don't want challenges.

I just realized the other day that I haven't done a single level 50 roulette for a month or more because I get all the mythos I need from Coil and the occasional S&G's CT run. Dungeons and even CT are just a nuisance because of the Philo cap and having to remember to spend them every now and then. What reason is there to run roulette?

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Originally Posted by Kajidourden

why bother with coil other than just for S and G's?

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Why bother playing this game at all?

Hell, why bother playing anything at all? Just work for your entire life then die. Sounds productive to me, and definitely not fun.

EDIT: One cannot stop there though, why do anything at all? Why do we do anything; for what purpose? If we did not want to do things, why are we alive?

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Originally Posted by Kimura410

I dont understand why people dont do coil. Its the best loot and the most challenging content in the game. Sure some myth is BIS over allagan gear, but still, its lvl 90 gear that you dont have to spend myth on. If it wasnt for coil, I probably would have quit the game a while ago. What do you do with all your 90 gear other than stand in revenants toll or do primals/dungeons that are easily beatable without great gear. Where is the challenge?

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I'll give you my answer: due to my peculiar job timetable (back home always late in the evening), I cannot join most of my FC runs. I could join coil through Party finder, of course,.... But what would you do if you had very little or no experience, and in all Party finder groups you'd read: "Only experienced players , fail = kick"??

Bacon, it's all about bacon ...

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Originally Posted by Vodomir

Bacon, it's all about bacon ...

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No one told me you can get bacon in coil!
Is it hidden in Turn 3?

200 myth in about 30-40 mins, the best weapons in the game and some of the best gear, it also is part of the main story. What else do you have to do?

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Originally Posted by BunnyChain

No one told me you can get bacon in coil!
Is it hidden in Turn 3?

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Gotta kill all the enemies, then somewhere deep in turn 3, there will be bacon.

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Originally Posted by Hyoma

I'll give you my answer: due to my peculiar job timetable (back home always late in the evening), I cannot join most of my FC runs. I could join coil through Party finder, of course,.... But what would you do if you had very little or no experience, and in all Party finder groups you'd read: "Only experienced players , fail = kick"??

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I understand your situation completely. The OP seems to be questioning why to do it at all? I guess I took the question from a person's standpoint that they have the time, the fc, or know people to pug with, but are asking what is the point if you can get myth through roulette. My answer is that most people dont do coil for myth, its just a bonus.

I get 200 myth in an hour run, then the rest come from getting my ct loot and em primals. I don't even try to hit myth cap and I usually hit it in a few days anyway. Why would I want to tolerate roulette again? Not doing coil sounds like misery to me. The amount of time I spend hitting cap is a fraction of what roulette grinders spend, so I don't buy the I don't have time argument.

Also coil has the only i95 gear in the game, people like to forget that.

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Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser

Also coil has the only i95 weapons in the game, people like to forget that.

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Corrected that for you. If coil gear was raised to i95 like the weapons, then buying mythos gear would be meaningless. Not everyone can clear Turn 5 and do it on a consistent farm basis. So of course, the majority are going to resign to defeat and wait for for 2.2 echo buff. I rather prefer to do it without that gimmick.

Weapons are not gear? What a stupid, pointless nitpick.

I95 weapons should be enough
For some reason everyone seems ok stopping at relics

Its part of the story anyway, if you never do it you may as well be one of those crafters that never leaves gridania

I dont play any other games and stop for no reason at the final bosses, why start here..

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Originally Posted by Kajidourden

So...here's my thing. I can get ilvl90 gear from just running roulette and hitting my cap every week, so why bother with coil other than just for S and G's?
Now, depending upon your build you might want to mix and match certain pieces....but then you're only going after a certain turn repeatedly, not coil in its entirety.
As it stands right now I would much rather get into roulette each day for about 2 hours and then hit CT for my myth (and probably not die a whole bunch). So in essence, the only time i would go into coil is to go after something specific, maybe.
I guess it's for the people who care about clearing the game's currently most difficult content?

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Why not get multiple piece of i90 gear per week instead of just 1? I don't get into coil much, mostly because every static has to be on mondays when I can't get online. However, I would certainly like to do it more. I certainly wouldn't call getting i90 equipment just for
S&Gs

You may be able to get i90 just from capping Myth, but it won't be the best combination of gear you can have at your disposal in most cases. If you want to just be "good enough" then I guess it's fine, but if you want the best combination of gear you'll also have to do Ex Primals and Coil.

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Originally Posted by BunnyChain

No one told me you can get bacon in coil!
Is it hidden in Turn 3?

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Bacon is in CT.

When my group finally got around to doing Coil (putting it off due to it being intimidating, laziness, etc.) I was surprised at how easy it was and regret not doing it sooner. It's really not that difficult until T4 and then it's just a matter of practice. And it's fun! I also like that I have the option of different looking gear because I hate how the BLM myth gear looks and refuse to buy that robe (still waiting for the allagan tunic to drop).

Coil is where you can logically gear all your characters with ilvl 90 gear as well as some of the best gear in the game period. Twintania comes down to your scholar and white mage making sure that the Mr lives through Death Sentence.

Sch main heals tank, watches eye for an eye to make sure it's up 100% of the time and keeps virus handy for when tank doesn't have a CD for DS. White mage heals group after fireballs then MT after, helps dps conflags and stoneskins tank for DS.

If you have a monk they maintain Dragon kick rebuff to reduce pretty much all her damage.

The fight is so easy once you understand the mechanics but it's not to be taken lightly. Requires the utmost attention of 8 people for 13 min which is where the real challenge is at.

End Game, Hardest content. Nothing more needs to be said.

I just did Turn 1 for the first time last night. It was really fun! It was an FC group, which I think is part of what made it so fun. We didn't have time for Turn 2, but we're going to try it tonight. I really wish I had started earlier. I unlocked Coil a few weeks ago, but I've been too chicken to actually try it.

I must admit the only reason I do it is to get every piece of armour in the game / complete all achievements / improve my skill on the classes I play on.

Don't forget there will be new content that could potentially get harder, if you lack skill or knowledge of your character, then you will be an easy target to punish in dungeons like that.

Vik

I understand what you've all been saying. Perhaps it's just my experience with it then. I don't have a static, I don't have an fc (most of the ones ive been in on my server are full of idiots), so trying to get into PF groups is my only real option until that changes. I find groups struggling to get past T1, let alone anything else....so to me its like...spend hours upon hours trying to clear a turn or do roulettes that are nearly a sure thing....

In more than a few classes, Allagan gear is head and shoulders above the Myth gear in terms of stats. Woe be to the BLM who ignores Allagan.