Question about Teleporting and being tempted (primals)

Ok so I was doing the Amaljaa reputation quest, and the following question came to mine, If only primals can temp (completely) how does the brainwashing take affect (or is it something else) and with that the Amaljaa kidnap people in an attempt to temp them how come they can't just teleport out. My free Company came up with the idea that only certain people can attune themselves, and if that is true what type of people? Is this the reason all "classes and jobs" have mp? and in the terms of npc's are they just s.o.l.? :confused:

There is a dev post about this around somewhere in the lore forums but basically using an aetheryte requires "anima" or a sort of spiritual endurance which most people don't have enough to use the aetherytes frequently or at all. In 1.0 we used anima and not gil to teleport, and only so much regenerated each (earth) day. The gil used now is actually to pay for the reconstruction of the aetheryte network after it was destroyed by the calamity. Adventures (or perhaps just you as the main character) just have a exceptional amount of anima is all.

Edit: here is the dev post http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...An-aether-what

It's just my speculation here, so take what you will, but my idea is that despite being the quickest and most efficent form of transport in Eorzea, there are times or situations where teleporting is either not possible or would be undesirable to do so - I hate to bring FFXI up in this but there was a quest line in FFXI where the player had to smuggle items via the airship for a smuggling ring - it was specifically mentioned in the dialogue that the player could not teleport as to do so would destroy the items being smuggled.

Hence, this idea seems to also ring true in FFXIV - notice how most people being captured for tempering are merchants? (Other than Immortal Flames soldiers). If teleportation is the quickest means of transport, why do merchants still insist on traveling by foot with pack chocobos? Maybe teleportation is damaging to goods and hence have to be transported in more mundane ways - airship travel is already stated as being heavily restricted after the Calamity due to the real risk of flights being attacked by Garlean fighters so airship flights are deliberately limited, so the only other way for merchants to travel by land is by foot.

Therefore, it's not surprising then that the expensive aetheryte network is mostly used by adventurers who usually aren't carrying rare and precious items that can be damaged by teleportation but have to be in a certain place as quickly as possible. Or maybe I'm just overthinking things.

We also cannot teleport or return while we are aggroed. So in the process of being tempered (being held captive), I'd say you are aggroed the whole time?

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Originally Posted by Shyluv

We also cannot teleport or return while we are aggroed. So in the process of being tempered (being held captive), I'd say you are aggroed the whole time?

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You can...I do it all the time...

I think you can get interrupted, so sometimes it fails.

Return and Teleport are both literally spells as mentioned when you get them.
And you know how getting hurt sometimes/always cancels your spell? Yeah, that's the case.

I miss my teleport points...

Well, there could be a number of factors that lead to the lack of teleportation.

-Any intelligent kidnappers know to take away the means by which their prey can escape. Maybe the beastmen have ways of draining anima?
-Teleport and Return are spells. It could be these people don't know them.
-Aetherial anomalies caused by the presence of a primal interfering with those spells (can't teleport in The Bowl of Embers)
-They are taken to areas so remote that they cannot muster the anima to cover the distance needed to travel.
-They don't have The Echo (seriously, I'm just going to start putting this in every single one of my speculation posts...it answers way too many questions to not be relevant at least somehow)
-The beastmen only prey on those they know have lower anima counts (they can detect it or sense it)
-Constant spell interrupts (someone mentioned above)
-It makes too good a story not to have someone to save (no real reason/it was overlooked for plot reasons).

Thank you I think that answer my questions ^^


Edit: actually I'm still interested in how the tempting process happens (when not used by a primal) if anyone knows

It's tempering, not tempting. And I'm fairly certain the way beastmen temper people is they just bring them to the primal.

I think the OP is asking the actual mechanics of how a Primal does the tempering - from what little has been revealed, it appears to actually work on the person's soul - when the Primals like Ifrit and Garuda tried tempering the player (who has the Echo and is thus immune), both shouted something similar along the lines of "NO! YOUR SOUL ALREADY BELONGS TO ANOTHER?!!" - suggesting that the tempering process works by removing a person's 'soul' (or at least a part of it - specifically, free will, leaving them a mindless shell and from then on a thrall enslaved into the devotion and service of the Primal who tempered them).

If I remember rightly, a npc at Highbridge during the 'Attack on Highbridge' FATE there actually mentions that tempering strips a person of their soul and leaves them an empty husk, but I'm not 100% certain of that (it might be that the npc was just touting hearsay, and it actually doesn't work like that, but nothing is known with certainty.).

Since someone brought up teleports...how about this? We get so many FREE teleports per day...that would be awesome! I wish I knew how much money I have spent on teleports since the game started....or maybe I don't want to know.

so there is no way for the beastmen to "temper" on their own and by holding captives the Amaljaa are just binding their time till they can summon ifrit again, which I guess is why the moggles and sylphs do not have followers so to say, does that sound right? (Just trying to love the story the best I can ^^)

It's not so much that, as more the actual personality of the primal involved and the general temperament of their beastmen followers. Ifrit is shown to be the one Primal who is the most zealous towards tempering, seeming to do it virtually as soon as he's summoned (to the point almost all of the amalj'aa are now completely tempered by him). Titan wasn't shown at all to temper anyone in ARR, although apparently dummied dialogue from 1.0 stated that he tempered members of the Company of Heroes when they fought him, and Garuda only was shown tempering once (the player), and that was only after she had been defeated normally.

It seems most of the Primals seem to be more of the 'might is right' attitude and prefer brute force against all adversaries rather than creating an army of followers like Ifrit does (and apparently Leviathan and the currently unknown Primal of the dragons), only relying on tempering when all else fails. Or at least that's what it appeared to me.