How hard is Ultima HM compared to other endgame content?

I ask this because I have currently beat Ultima HM and i plan to jump to Coil or Extreme mode, I already got my zenith weapon and im geared with AF2 and some CT armor.

So the reason i ask this is because I would like to gauge how prepared I am for the next content, which is either extreme modes or Coil.

I'd say it's as hard as Titan HM, it's very close to Garuda EM difficulty and easier than Twintania, T4, Titan EM and Ifrit EM.

Far overgeared

Ah thanks, im a careful player, I really dont want to be a burden on people that is why i thread lightly on content. And I am also inexperienced on that content ( obviously) and you know how unforgiving DF groups are...

Anyways, it is good to know they are not that difficult.

Question, i want to go even further on this train of thought, If you were to compare Ultima HM to Coil, which turn is as difficult as it?\

Edit : You mentioned Twintania, what turn is this?

Your gear sounds find...I'll wager you're sitting somewhere around ilv83.
You can dive in to anything you listed. I recommend Coil and if you have alts that don't have zenith relics then do the primals to get them weapons. Do some research on the fights.

Its a lot different....Ultima HM is a healers fight, everything in Coil is pretty much evenly spread out among the players contributing.

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Originally Posted by mmcsky

Edit : You mentioned Twintania, what turn is this?

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Turn 5

@Tazo

Thanks, truth research is something needed, I learned this on Ultima. As a tank your view of the field is limited by Ultima's bulk, I did not know what things went around because of it.

I already got my second relic :), I don't plan on lvling more alts till next content probably, kinda of a pain to get groups for titan HM ( at least competent groups).

Ilvl 80 can get through any content in the game ATM, might have problems with T5, but ilvl90's have problems with that. Most of everything is understanding mechanics, having a good connection, and others having a good connection.

You might wanna go in a sequence of passing

1) Turn 1 - 4
2) Garuda EX
3) Titan EX
4) Ifrit EX
5) Turn 5

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Originally Posted by SilverRhythm

You might wanna go in a sequence of passing

1) Turn 1 - 4
2) Garuda EX
3) Titan EX
4) Ifrit EX
5) Turn 5

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Titan EX > Ifrit EX.. other than that im liking this list

Not going to lie, IMO Ultima HM is EXTREMELY easy and forgiving. I was surprised how undertuned it was when I first entered it. It's not a good introduction to other content. As for where to go from now, I suggest getting a good party finder group together to farm Garuda extreme mode if your main class' BiS ring drops from there, and at the same time try to get coil 1-4 down on a weekly basis(maybe try to find yourself a static once you're savvy with the mechanics). I think the only part you'll see a jump in difficulty is T5 and Titan extreme once you feel comfortable entering them. Well, that is until coil 6-9 comes out and they get the echo buff/better gear becomes available.

If you do it in ilevel 65-70 average gear then the fight is a decent challenge but nothing too tough.

But if you did it with mostly 70-90 gear the fight is no challenge at all, it is almost completely trivial.

You can't compare it to other endgame because Ultima HM is designed to be doable with terrible gear, so having decent gear makes it extremely easy. Since it's a lot harder to overgear coil and extreme modes unless all your gear is 80+ with mostly 90, they are still challenging with decent gear.

Thanks for your input guys, I have a view now of what to do.

Also does anyone have an opinion of allagan vs AF2 gear.

Are they interchangeable according to boss, or does one become better than the other at some point?

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Originally Posted by Abigs

Titan EX > Ifrit EX..

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Yeah, as long as you're not a healer, but who cares about those guys right?

As long as you can get to the content you should be able to do the content... If you do it and fail then you know you need to gear up a little more... You sound way over geared but then again it all goes with your play style and how good you are at dodging...

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Originally Posted by Abigs

Titan EX > Ifrit EX.. other than that im liking this list

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Good luck clearing Ifrit EX before Titan EX :p

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Originally Posted by Zell

I'd say it's as hard as Titan HM, it's very close to Garuda EM difficulty and easier than Twintania, T4, Titan EM and Ifrit EM.

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What this guy said.

Of all the fights in the game, Ultima HM is my favorite.

It's got so many differences in kind. Each phase has something different going on. It's really interesting, fun and satisfying to play!
I just wish there were more reasons to do it.

Remember that players progressed into Coil with iLv. 70 equpiment. I've been all the way to Turn 5 in Darklight as a tank as I wasn't sure what job to specialise into.

Just try your best!

Personally, I think Ultima HM is as easy as Garuda HM. It's easy to get the hang of and you'd probably only need to be a bit over i70 to do it.

In my opinion Ultima is about the same difficulty as Titan HM in terms of dodging mechanics, but given a decent WHM/SCH it is far more recoverable, so in that sense, it is actually much easier as a group, even if not as an individual.

Titan you lose someone to landslide, they are out for good. Further due to the timing of stomps, you are very limited in ability to raise those who go down to WOTL, and you have to rely on having a SMN/SCH do it.

I have had to raise more than 3 times as WHM over the course of an Ultima, and use LB3, and still finished in time, without running out of MP when it mattered. On titan, more than 2 raises and it is all over because I will run out of MP and not recover enough in time.

If you find Ultima easy enough, you should be fine on GEX though.

Ultima is below titan HM imo because it's easier to learn. It's les forgiving as nothing will one shot you.

In terms of difficulty curve it's about titan HM level, as Titan you have no enrage time while ultima has an enrage timer, so you can't have too many people down for ultima ever as a trade off to titan one shots.

But I have seen people who fail at titan learn ultima, so while difficulty is about the same, ultima ultimately is easier to learn and beat. Why, because ultima has a scripted (down time) phase. Allowing people to top off, and prepare for each phase, allowing them to smoothly make mistakes and see the entire fight.

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Originally Posted by mmcsky

Thanks for your input guys, I have a view now of what to do.

Also does anyone have an opinion of allagan vs AF2 gear.

Are they interchangeable according to boss, or does one become better than the other at some point?

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coil has an accuracy cap, your goal is to stay above that or very close to that cap so as few attacks miss as possible.

for tanks pre turn 5 its 472. in addition, you want to maximize parry, your other main secondary stat.

allagan jewlery is all BiS, along with belt, and shield. helmet drops on turn 5, along with weapon. everything else is myth.

Ultima HM is on par with Garuda EM

Ultima is a lot more forgiving than Extremes and Coil. I had a guy die like 10 times and was still able to beat it and multiple players dying as well.

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Originally Posted by Doo

Ultima is a lot more forgiving than Extremes and Coil. I had a guy die like 10 times and was still able to beat it and multiple players dying as well.

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hard to believe because the dps check is pretty unforgiving. You have 10 minutes to kill it or you die and even with amazing dps, you'll only have about 2-3 minutes to spare

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

hard to believe because the dps check is pretty unforgiving. You have 10 minutes to kill it or you die and even with amazing dps, you'll only have about 2-3 minutes to spare

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I have beaten it like 30 times in DF (with players that said they were new), you're not going to get that type of odds in Garuda Ex. It's mostly a healer check rather so I queue up as whm.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

hard to believe because the dps check is pretty unforgiving. You have 10 minutes to kill it or you die and even with amazing dps, you'll only have about 2-3 minutes to spare

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Not exactly. Garuda has a much higher dps check (2 minute to kill both sisters, 30 seconds or so to kill all plumes) One mistake, wipe there, it's over.

Ultima you can die multiple times and is given a recovery phase each time . If you have a bard, the MP from swift raise is nominal.

You can die multiple times in Ultima as long as not everyone is dying at the same time on the same phase.

The damage lost is nominal because the raise time is quick.

Only time it is not good to die is bits. Lasers have to die, as that will cascade. Ifrit rush, garuda push, erruption spam, bomb malfunction, all recoverable

Most content is hard, if you dont know the mechanics
Most content is easy, if you know the mechanics.

So Ultima HM is either impossible or easy, just like PrimalX or coil or anything else.
So if you beat Ultima HM, you can beat any other content in the game, except maybe Twintania.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

Most content is hard, if you dont know the mechanics
Most content is easy, if you know the mechanics.

So Ultima HM is either impossible or easy, just like PrimalX or coil or anything else.
So if you beat Ultima HM, you can beat any other content in the game, except maybe Twintania.

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Titan...rawr

All primals EX and even titan HM doesn't give you recovery phases. Ultima does. Saying ultima is in the same league as EX, coil, etc is....are you nuts!!!!?

Stop trivializing things.