Need some healing tips for Titan Extreme

So I finally got to join a titan ex practice party for the first time last night.
I've watched a video so I generally get the idea of what goes on. I had no problem dodging plumes,landslides, moved back when I got gowled, stood away from bombs. Everything was ok!


Except that I couldn't seem to heal the tanks when they got mountain bustered.

I'm a scholar and I tried eye for eye, adloqs, succors, sacred soils, lustrates. But one of the tanks would always go from 100% to 10% and I just couldn't get them back up in time.

So my question is what are some tips for this? Is it all my fault? Or is it because my white mage buddy couldn't keep him up either? I had the fairy on heel (even though normally I place her) because I was afraid that if I place her she'd get blown to weight of land. I have a sub white mage (ilvl81) and now I feel like the only way for me to clear this successfully is to go in as a white mage instead of a scholar so I can do quick burst heals. Any suggestions and tips are welcome! :)

Mountain busters shouldn't be the issue in this fight at all. In my group we don't use virus or eye or anything for them, just heal them after (or let regen do its job). How was the tank gear? Were they swapping often enough (every 2 MBs)?

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Originally Posted by Nukocafe

So my question is what are some tips for this? Is it all my fault? Or is it because my white mage buddy couldn't keep him up either? I had the fairy on heel (even though normally I place her) because I was afraid that if I place her she'd get blown to weight of land. I have a sub white mage (ilvl81) and now I feel like the only way for me to clear this successfully is to go in as a white mage instead of a scholar so I can do quick burst heals. Any suggestions and tips are welcome! :)

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I know jack about tanking but I do think it's the tank. Their HP shouldn't just drop like that. I've met a PLD who had 3 stacks then his HP drop from ~90% to 20% by which point was too late to use DS > Cure II. I opted for benediction instead -- except I got benedicted instead (not to mention a real nice "wtf why didnt u heal??" from the other whm). I find that the MB after adds spawning tends to hit like a truck. Feel free to drop me suggestions pertaining to my choice of action, however, as I main i88 SCH. Like you OP, I also opted to use my i86 WHM instead because I'd outlive my WHM buddy as a SCH (to be fair, I pug titan ex a lot) then finding myself OOM from ressing, lustrating + succor spamming.

Edit: This post limit thing really sucks.

Tanks looked like they were in mostly if not all Myth gear. I think they were swapping but sometimes I'd see the tank with 3 stacks and I guess that's too much?? That seemed to be the only issue. Tanks would be constantly nearly 1hit KO'ed and no regen or psysick or adloq could save them. Guess it was a tank issue??

Tanks should swap at 2 stacks. Could be tanks are not swapping properly or popping defensive cooldowns. If the adds are up too long preventing the tanks from swapping, then it's a dps issue. The mountain buster that Titan does when he pops his adds are followed by the adds each doing a tumult, without proper mitigation your tank will drop like a sack of potatoes.

I have seen scholars place their fairy to the side of the tank where the arena falls off and the fairy will just float there curing if that helps.

Top off before MB
Tank should be flashing and some type of def buff before MB
Cure after MB

Mountain Busters really shouldn't be an issue in Titan EX at all (with the exception of the ones during the adds phase, which can catch you off guard with the need to heal both tanks and dodge bombs/LS/plumes)

As long as the tanks are geared enough (I like i77 as a min personally, more i90 on the left than the right) and are swapping in time (at 2 stacks; 3 can be too much, but it is doable) MB shouldn't be an issue. Yes, top them off beforehand and heal after, but that's the norm...

We never even got to the little titan ads lol, this was in the first phase and we only really got as far as the first set of bombs before the tanks got table flipped to their doom.
Thanks for the tips on fairy placement. I'll try that next time although I think I'll probably go in there with my White Mage next time anyway!

Sounds like tanks. I usually only take around 3500 damage from a 1 stack MB. Usually I'll have SS and Aldo on at which point I take 0. So if your tanks are getting 1 shotted then they aren't swapping or using CDs.

Seconding Judge.

It sounds like one tank is trying to eat Mountain Busters at two stacks or more without using a defensive cooldown. My recommendation is to swap at two stacks when possible. Healers start to get taxed more once tanks try to hold on to Titan at 3+ stacks, even if possible, may lead to unnecessary high risk.

Sounds like all of the above. You don't know the fight enough yourself to cover tank mistakes even though to be blunt, you could have. It's usually not the healers fault 100%, as in the tanks not using CDs correctly, but nobody ever notices that. They just notice the tank eating dirt and a healer standing over him. Once you learn the fight it won't matter what a tank does for mountain busters. It isn't just the MB, most times an auto attack follows as well. I can only think of three spots I even time a big cure to cover a tank in this fight; the MB during the ghoal phases (due to knockback, tumelts incoming), the MB at the beginning of Egi phase, and the MB at end of Egi phase right before plumes. So once you learn the fight you can cast before this happens so that when the tank loses 80% of their HP you are instantly recover most of it back. The other MBs I just cure when I can cast next.

Be ready to cure II those mountain busters.
Start casting cure III about right after he starts stomps. Medica is too much MP.
Medica II when the two egi's are up is awesome.
The rest is just being able to dodge. Healing that fight is not too bad at all if everyone else is doing right.

Could also have been a dps issue. Tanks should be swapping when they get 2 stacks of debuff, but having slow dps makes the swap timing weird and sometimes the tank gets to 3 stacks, if they have 3 stacks while MB'd then expect them to be dead if they weren't topped up prior. A good benchmark for this is if the tank gets 3 stacks before titan does his first jump, then the dps is slow.

I haven't played sch for titan ex, but when I play on my whm, I never see the sch use sacred soil for the MB. They put up aldo and I assume they cast lustrate+embrace after MB while I as whm precast cure I/II for the MB, which is enough for tanks that are well geared and have no more than 2 stacks. For group healing, one succor on stomps should be enough even when the whm is gaol'd. As soon as the whm is free they should be using ds+medica I/II or cure III to keep the group up. If dps are dying at stomps then it could be that they aren't getting the whm out of the gaol fast enough, again a dps issue.

Titan ex isn't a healing intensive fight at all, so I would be surprised if ppl dying were ever caused by a healing issue. The only time where it could be considered that is during the egi phase, which is still a breeze compared to other fights such as balancing healing+dodging tank/group during 2nd lazer phase in ultima hm.

Other than adloq before and topping off, you might want to be midcast of a physik as MB is going off so they get that heal ASAP. And lustrate helps too.

Basically, precast heal.

reading everyone's responses I've concluded that it was because of tanks not using CDs and several of our DPSes getting weight of landed to their doom. Glad to know it's not just me, now if I could find a competent party to practice with (´・ω・｀)

The thing is tanks shouldn't even need to use their CDs except for bombs/adds. It's probably bad stack management.

You can pretty much heal off a mountain buster-ed tank just simply spamming succor/medica from the stomps and the jails (that you have to do anyway)

And any MB is healed with 2x healer spamming cure/phyick just once at that ilvl.

The thing is tanks should be managing their stacks at 2 (or 3 if the team is pushing a phase change).

the only "healer" part of titan ex is the add phase. That's when you have full blown mayhem, between 2 tanks taking massive damage, you dodging, and with slow dps, a tank going pass 2 stacks (which is where most tank deaths happen).

realistically if everyone is doing as they should, except for add phase, spamming succor all day and snooze through the fight is totally doable.

To be a better titan healer(sch side). Virus every stomp(except the first phase), which always comes after Jail->landslide, and alternate that with sacred soil if virus is down. After add phase it is jail->landslide ->mountain buster ->stomp

Save eye for an eye for OT at adds and save as much lustre as you can for same deal. Everything else is more or less succor with the occasional aqu.

If you are really good, then help dps with heart phase to push titan out of bombs, and save swift for bomb eating or deaths.

everyone has a good point.

just to add. as a fellow healer. i always aim to Stoneskin the tank before Mountain buster hits.
if you memorize the pattern this should not be so hard. it helps to lessen the damage on tanks. then heal