For those of you who have played WoW you're aware of the Dungeon Finder feature they had added a while back. For those of you who don't know about it, I'll detail it on the bottom of this post, so please check there.
What would you guys think of a Party Finder, that is, separate from a Dungeon Finder, but akin to the Dungeon Finder in WoW.
So something along these lines:
- Queue into Party Finder from Menu, anywhere in the world
- Cross server scan for people your level to form a party
- Teleport to a special party instance
- Battle monsters
Note: Purely to find a party, not for dungeons, that would be the Dungeon Finder.
(Though I suppose if its a special instance it is ~technically~ a dungeon finder.)
Of course there could be slight adjustments/additions to this, say, do you want a light or heavy party, put in the classes you are willing to level, special rewards for using the feature, etc.
Although a Dungeon Finder would accomplish much the same thing, as the dungeons are seemingly time capped, it may be viable to have a simple party finder. The instance could be a special area where there is more than one party. Just something to allow players to easily find a party and battle a bit.
This is largely in response to FFXI, where sometimes it took hours to find a party, who knows it might be completely fruitless in FFXIV. Although if FFXI did add this right now... that would be pretty amazing.
Dungeon Finder in WoW
In WoW, you (or a group of people, say 4) can queue up for a Random Dungeon, in your level range, from your menu (anywhere in the world), or a specific dungeon if you prefer. Then the client examines cross server for other people in a similar level range also in queue, and tries to form a party of a Tank, Healer, and 3 Damage Dealers (That's the usual party in WoW), who then get instantly teleported to the dungeon, and fight their way through. They also receive a special reward for completing the dungeon, granted they kill a certain boss. Such as a random, decent equipment piece, or later on, special points used for items/whatnot.
Eventual Party Finder/Dungeon Finder?
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06-23-2011, 01:20 AMVafilorEventual Party Finder/Dungeon Finder?
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06-23-2011, 01:23 AMVahzl
I think the addition of 2 capped dungeons is not even close to enough to even consider this function.
Cross realm instances are an incredible amount of tech behind the scenes, and with the game in it's current state, I would prefer them to focus on the basics before heading into directions which may never see any use. -
06-23-2011, 01:30 AMFelis
I'm against instant teleport to the dungeon. It's not FF like and too much "lazy people" like
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06-23-2011, 03:02 AMXatsh
Depends on how it is handled.
If it does not destroy the guild focus and what not I have no problem with it, if it make it where it is easier to instawarp into things with a dungeon finder then to do things with a linkshell then I am completely against it.
If they find a way to do it without hurting the linkshells I see no harm in it... but atm I see that as something hard to do atm. They add Dungeon finder most people will use that instead in the games current state. -
06-23-2011, 03:30 AMBrotechthis...Quote:
Originally Posted by Xatsh
also No. -
06-23-2011, 03:35 AMWolfie
So you people are against insta-warp to instances... but insta-warp all over the world via anima system is okay?
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06-23-2011, 03:42 AMviion
I'm against Anima system and Instant warp, even hate guildleves giving you a joyride back, though the less I have to see of the god awful designs of the maps I dont mind it to much.
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06-23-2011, 03:57 AMVafilor
Oh my fur and whiskers... Please do notice I said eventual in the title. That is, quite a ways off, to do this right now would certainly be folly. Also, half of you seemed to have missed the crux of the post, I was talking mostly about a Party Finder not a Dungeon Finder, though I was considering that as well (again, not with the two instances, but further on).
As Wolfie just pointed out, what about Anima? At the moment you could be halfway across the world and teleport to the area where the new instances are. I don't know what you mean by its not FF like, perhaps FFXI like? The Final Fantasy series has had teleportation (FFV for example), or Airships that were darn near teleportation. But that's beside the point, the point is Party Finder, not Dungeon Finder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Felis
In regard to the Party Finder. your ls can already teleport to a camp. Hmm, but perhaps they could add benefits for being in a LS party? Nothing huge, just a little boost. Also, I didn't mention this, but in the Dungeon Finder in WoW, you can have 4 people in a group queue up, you'll then just be looking for that one last spot to be filled. So you could actually do it with a group of LS members, if you're a person or two short (for say, 8 people groups).Quote:
Originally Posted by Xatsh
In regard to the Dungeon Finder:
Keep in mind that these would become pick up groups, meaning no time to plan ahead. If the instances are all timed, this could make it quite a bit more difficult. Besides, there are bound to be instances that are simply too difficult to do with a pick up group, and in those a LS with organization will predominate. -
06-23-2011, 04:07 AMGidonoidon_Sur
Against it now and later. When I think of a dungeon, I think of a scary place far off from normal city/town/whatever. It should be a little journey to get there. Also against anima teleporting, in general like viion. In my opinion, teleporting should be via technology, magic, or a magical item...and therefore not something a rank 1 botanist should be able to do instantly. I like the FFXI system personally. I guess I would be ok with teleporting via aetherytes but I think you should have to be at the aetheryte to do it and have been to the aetheryte you are teleporting at least once prior.
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06-23-2011, 04:19 AMVafilorCorrect me if I'm wrong, but don't you have to visit an Aetheryte first before you teleport there? Or have someone teleport you there? Also, isn't it magical? (I think you meant by a spell, but I mean the concept by lore in general.) The Aether in the air or whatnot, and somewhat technological? It breaks you down to small components and reassembles you at your destination (like a current theory of how teleportation could work in the future, similar to Star Trek I believe, and was even in....oh geez.. Star Ocean? )Quote:
Originally Posted by Gidonoidon_Sur
I don't think it'd be much better if the group would only teleport to the nearest Aetheryte then have to walk there, it seems somewhat pointless. -
06-23-2011, 04:22 AMBloodMage
I think they NEED to add a party finder for the raids because there are people like me who don't have the time to plan up with an LS and just wants to jump in to the action right away, and this system will certainly help us. A lot of people in here seems to be thinking of spending hours preparing for raids but these are the hardcore gamers. For casuals or semi casuals we can devote only a few hours to the game so we need a system that can help us do a little more with less time.
Furthermore, SE really needs to revamp the party finder system in the game currently because it is not very user friendly and I can only handle a few "LFP" shouts in the game until it becomes a waste of my time. I know other people are feeling the same way especially looking back at how we all shouted like hell for hours in FFXI just trying to look for a grind party while also having the LFP status above our heads. -
06-23-2011, 04:40 AMVerecund
I'm okay with it as long as it doesn't involve instantly teleporting into an instance. That really ruins the experience overall I think (not to mention throws potential content away).
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06-23-2011, 04:44 AMVafilorExactly, that would be the point, to aid the casual players.Quote:
Originally Posted by BloodMage
I'm going to try to distinguish further a Party Finder versus a Dungeon Finder.
In FFXI (earlier anyway) it sometimes took hours to find a party. And then, when you got there (depending where you were it could be quite a travel time) the party might disband in a few minutes. A party finder would seek to remedy these. So, you queue up as I said, for a Party, not a dungeon. Then when the group is assembled you get teleported to a special Party Zone, where, potentially, there could be other parties. And there you would battle monsters around the area. Like a camp in FFXI. And when you want to leave, you can just choose to do so from a menu option.
But isn't that the same as a Dungeon Finder?
It's similar, yes. However the key difference is time. The dungeons it looks like are timed, and can only be done every once in a while. A party finder you could use indefinitely (or it could have some limits, but nothing like 1 a day use) and stay in the party indefinitely. And say, a member or two have to leave, you can keep on in that party, and now be looking for additional members that would be teleported to you.
This system could be augmented or changed a variety of ways. Say it could be just your server (but cross server would be far more beneficial for an easier time finding parties), or choose a light party or Heavy Party. It could even have some small overarching objective, say, a monster infestation, and you get some small amount of gil for killing each monster. But nothing like killing a Boss, that would be more a dungeon. Though there could potentially be "boss" type monsters in the area that spawn every now and then that parties could try and kill for some extra exp/potential reward. Technically it would be a Grind Fest like in FFXI, as its simply a party finder, but it could easily be changed to allow for more to be done there.
Possible Alternative
Alternatively there could be an auto-group feature across your server, that way you find party members, and go to a specific Gate all together. In this way you still have the parties on your server, and can still see people fighting across the world, as opposed to them disappearing to an instance. I believe there was something similar in FFXI, but I don't recall it ever working as it, in theory, should have.
Bottom Line:
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06-23-2011, 04:57 AMJaide
I'm fine with it as long as it isn't cross server. You'll either meet someone you like who you'll never play with again, or you'll meet someone you hate who uses the temporary nature of your relationship to steal from/abuse the rest of their group. One of the nice things about the job system in FFXI is that you stayed on one character and your name carried with it a reputation. That continues somewhat in FFXIV for those who are left, but I think a cross server tool would ruin that.
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06-23-2011, 05:00 AMzaviermhigo
queue!, please try to remember this, ball you hit during billiards = cue, line= queue!
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06-23-2011, 06:12 AMVafilorO.OQuote:
Originally Posted by zaviermhigo
I used... the wrong word. ; ;. I thought it looked funny.
By thou word, it is fixed. Let me know if I missed something else. -
06-23-2011, 06:22 AMDelmontyb
I could see something like this, but we would need more dungeons first. Once we have a few up and running (6 to 8) and the other systems fixed then I wouldn't stop them from building this tool. But for the time being I could think a long list of other items that they need to build before this.
I like the idea, perhaps we will see it next year or so... -
06-23-2011, 06:29 AMVahzlRight on queue, this popped up!Quote:
Originally Posted by zaviermhigo
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06-23-2011, 07:07 AMSoma
umm no thanks
Recently flawed design including the Trojan Horse of all MMO features — the Dungeon Finder — has resulted in the mechanization and trivialization of the beloved dungeon crawl. Dungeons have become nothing more than mob and loot conveyor belts designed to dole out instant gratification to mute loot addicted participants culled from various servers.
But the greatest sin of all is that the Blizzard has single-handedly created the worst community in MMO history after all. Everyone’s a perpetual stranger in this strange land. Players no longer talk to each other and when they do it consists of trash talking because they can get away with it due to lax policy enforcement and “we want you back” Blizzard overtures to suspended players.
http://www.wolfsheadonline.com/?p=5347#45389
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06-23-2011, 07:07 AMVafilorCould you please elaborate on how it takes away the adventure? Or possibly suggest an alternative? Just saying I don't like it doesn't help. Besides, you don't have to use it if you don't want to. You could find parties the normal way, or with your LS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calevr
Firstly, please do read the entire post before making a statement, as you'll notice it is not purely about a Dungeon Finder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soma
As to the second remark, about creating the worst community, despite it being histrionic, it is rather false, and a matter of opinion. Blizzard created a game. The people are the ones that make the community. I doubt Blizzard is in the business of making People.
As to it being a stranger's land, that too is a hyperbole. I played WoW not that long ago, I started a new character. I quested with strangers at times, sometime strangers offered to quest with me. I got into a guild, people talked there, they worked together there. So please, offer evidence in support of your claims, or claims you believe to be right, if they are as significant as you proclaim. And please elaborate on how such a feature as Dungeon Finder would lead to these "sins".
By the by, the worst community could possibly be this here Gaia, also known as Earth, it does have a couple of billion subscribers. Or do you say that you've never seen trash talk before a Basketball game, a baseball game. A Chess game?
Not to forget, WoW has about 12 million subscribers, if say, about 10% are the underbelly of society, that's already more people than most MMOs have. So by the nature of having more people, there are bound to be more unpleasant people, even if it is just a small percentage of the population (I'm not say that it is, just giving an example). -
06-23-2011, 07:31 AMBrotechAgain; This...Quote:
Originally Posted by viion
Jeez, its like viion is writing stuff straight from my brain.. -
06-23-2011, 08:12 AMElexiaI guess you ignore the complaints about this lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
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06-23-2011, 09:21 AMRowyne
Oh, boy, the Dungeon Finder. Something that revolutionized being able to PUG in WoW.
I'm on the fence. I think it's an amazing tool that puts together an insta-party. It does make 'dungeon grinding' a smooth and streamlined process. It also reduces wait time because, while it prioritizes people from your server, it will fill in remaining spots with people from other servers. You get to meet lots of new people, but it also increases the anonymity aspect. Meaning, it tends to give people this license to be douchebags to each other during runs because playing with people on other servers means you don't have to worry about your reputation. It's very unlikely you'll ever party with the same people again.
Plus, it also sort of trivializes dungeons so that they are nothing but another grinding tool.
If they thought about something like that in this game, it would need to be handled differently so the community doesn't have a knee-jerk reaction against it. The fact that in WoW you can instantly teleport there without first discovering it tends to remove an element of exploration from the game. Plus, I think it should be restricted to people on your server only. A Dungeon Finder would need to help foster community, not destroy it. -
06-23-2011, 10:01 AMelreed
I agree that there are a lot of casual players that just want to log in and do stuff quick because they only have a couple of hours to play before going to bed.
it would be great to have a group finder tool but not a dungeon instant teleport in it.
About anima i would like them to erase a lot of teleport points and make something like FF XI where you had a couple of points like tele holla, tele altep that made things easier for a lot of people but had a fair distance to cities/party camps/dungeon locations so you had a chocobo rental in each point and you could take it or walk all the way if you didnt wanted to pay, that way helped the world to be felt larger, the pain in the ass with FF XI it was that you had pay someone or have WHM job to be teleported or special items, they should let people to teleport with the anima system as it is but give less points and give other means of transportation, like chocobos and ships.
That way is a win-win situation in my op.