In game Economy issues?

So I just started playing this game on January 3rd approximately and I hit 50 with my Warrior a little over 2 weeks ago. After spending some gil slightly unwisely, I decided I needed to start saving up because I am currently pretty poor (50k ish total) But after watching a bunch of gil making strat videos I have noticed that the market is not nearly what it used to be back before 2.1 supposedly. So I tried to find something that was still selling for a decent price and sell that, however very quickly a bunch of people undercut me, making it look like the rest of the market.

<See my first reply because there was not enough space to put this in here>

So all in all my question is: Is there someway to make decent gil that doesn't involve the market? AND/OR Are there plans to fix the market somehow (with maybe some dailies coming up that reward more then just 700 gil) or something like that?

<Someone told me to level up a gatherer and sell crystals, so I did but the most expensive crystal (not shard; crystal) on my server is 41 gil per (WTH?!?). I have done a bunch of looking around in and out of game but still haven't found a halfway decent way to make gil besides becoming a master crafter, which seems a little unfair to me.>

Spiritbonding, but even that won't last much longer~

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Originally Posted by KikInperi

Spiritbonding, but even that won't last much longer~

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Even if it were to last much longer, the only good materia selling is for tier 4 on my world and that isn't exactly easy to do in my experience.

Do daylies, do your roulettes, do treasure maps, sell every item you find to the AH if it is worth something ( I sell things even worth as little as 30g) then npc everything else. I don't go out of my way to make money, and I don't use my crafting either yet somehow I make 100k+ a week. Many high end crafters would even tell you that crafting doesn't make them much profit. That isn't an entirely untrue statement, but it can be difficult to play the market when it is so saturated.

maybe because I'm feeling a bit cynical or pessimistic today, or maybe it's the lack of sleep but beyond saving up for housing and doing pentamelds (if that's your thing), SE doesn't give you much of a reason to hoard gil. iLvl 90 items are farmable/droppable, HQ food is dirt cheap these days (I think HQ buttons are like 80g more expensive than regular on my server), and gear repairs are on par with tele costs. If I could see my gil and put it in a house and /swim all Scrooge McDuck style, then I'd be finding ways to get as much as possible asap.

part of me thinks that this is just some elaborate conspiracy SE has and that maybe SE does understand t3h 3c0NoM1c5 more than they let on. With no market in which to spend gil, there is no market for the gil sellers and RMTs. SE brilliance? you decide!

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

Do daylies, do your roulettes, do treasure maps, sell every item you find to the AH if it is worth something ( I sell things even worth as little as 30g) then npc everything else. I don't go out of my way to make money, and I don't use my crafting either yet somehow I make 100k+ a week. Many high end crafters would even tell you that crafting doesn't make them much profit.

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Alright well that sure does seem like a hell of a lot to do for only 100k, plus don't you need 8 people for treasure hunts? I don't exactly have that at my disposal, and even if I were to pug them or join a big FC (which Im more influenced to do the first) it would still be a lot of work for like 1600 plus if you get the roll on the material you can sell it on the market for a crappy price.
Also about crafting possibly not making good money: That sucks, and means it is even harder than I thought to make gil.

Making 100k a week on my server is not very hard, but not very easy too. it goes that the amount of time spent is slow increasing as the price decreases.

So for those that don't have as many openings as me, yes it can be hard, but not hard that it's an impossible goal.

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Originally Posted by Daenerys_Sedai

yadda--, SE doesn't give you much of a reason to hoard gil. iLvl 90 items are farmable/droppable, HQ food is dirt cheap these days -- yadda yadda I dont have enough room to make a reply

part of me thinks that this is just some elaborate conspiracy SE has and that maybe SE does understand t3h 3c0NoM1c5 more than they let on. With no market in which to spend gil, there is no market for the gil sellers and RMTs. SE brilliance? you decide!

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While I completely understand what you are getting at, there are still things that are too expensive to afford in these kind of ideals. I.E. materia tier 4 if you want to materia out your gear, and housing. While some may be thinking "you don't have to get a house" that is true, however I also don't have to upgrade my gear, or do any lvl 50 content, or level up. It isn't fair to make some things dirt cheap (and gil hard to make) but yet not make other things so cheap.

So no, I don't think it is brilliance.

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Originally Posted by kukurumei

Making 100k a week on my server is not very hard, but not very easy too. it goes that the amount of time spent is slow increasing as the price decreases.

So for those that don't have as many openings as me, yes it can be hard, but not hard that it's an impossible goal.

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Yay, I can put forth to get 1 piece of VIT materia a week and can spend months trying to get housing if I want to be at less than 1k gil afterward.
...Sorry I'm not trying to be rude....

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Originally Posted by AlesStone

Alright well that sure does seem like a hell of a lot to do for only 100k, plus don't you need 8 people for treasure hunts? I don't exactly have that at my disposal, and even if I were to pug them or join a big FC (which Im more influenced to do the first) it would still be a lot of work for like 1600 plus if you get the roll on the material you can sell it on the market for a crappy price.
Also about crafting possibly not making good money: That sucks, and means it is even harder than I thought to make gil.

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The dailies take me about 30 minutes, and I don't even do them every day.
I only do the low level roulette to level up my whm right now as well as the guildhest. So that's about 40m, and I also don't do this every day.
For treasure hunts I do get the peisteskin maps, but I only do map runs with my FC about twice a week. One good run can net anywhere from 20-80k per person. That's 160k to 640k for the group as a whole just from pure money drops. Also, those materials you say sell for a crappy price. Is a HQ ingot that sells for 1k not worth it? I do map runs and frequently make an extra 10-20k just from the random drops. In our groups we personally have the rule that need/greed items goto the person who used their map at that time. (I know all groups don't follow this rule, buy my FC does) If you get a stack of potash on my server that's around another 30k. You can't look at the little items and go "not worth it" due to the simple fact that every sale adds up over time. Honestly, maps are the best way to make money in the entire game at the moment. When I do these runs they can take anywhere from 1 hour to 2 hours. It depends on how many maps we have. This is a 2 day a week event for me so it ends up being 2-4 hours a week.

So I only spend somewhere around 5-8 hours a week doing activities that make me money. When it comes to the daylies and roulette I'm also leveling alts and my chocobo. When doing the daylies and maps I'm also spirit bonding for some extra cash on the side. I compound multiple techniques at once to get far more done than just farming money so that I'm making broader character progress at all times.
You are severely underestimating/limiting your ability to make money, and if you aren't willing to put in the minimal amount of effort to make money then why even ask? When I see you say "Alright well that sure does seem like a hell of a lot to do for only 100k" you end up striking me as the kind of person who wants the easy way out. Who wants to open and chest and just see 2mil fall out. Well that isn't going to happen. You also say "only 100k" like that isn't good money. With 100k I can buy almost any item in the entire game, and it is considered a decent amount of gil. There are no golden tickets in this game at all. You need multiple strategies in effect ot make that cash.

I don't get it, it just sounds like you don't want to put forth effort to get the stuff you want.

It takes about just as much effort to get the tier 4 materia as it does to get the Gil to buy it. That's why the prices are set there. Housing is it's own beast of an issue.


If you don't think it's worth the Gil then don't buy them.

If it's housing that's your big issue, and you want a Free Company house bought by yourself, for yourself, for your own use, there's really no mechanic in the game that's going to get you the money you need without a crazy amount of effort, including at a minimum quitting your job/school (or at least playing the game constantly while AT your job/school). FC housing is meant to be bought by a Free Company, and the expectation is that everyone in the Free Company will chip in and help pay. At current costs, only really large FC's can buy a house at all, and even when prices reach their minimum it will require a lot of effort on everyones' part to buy (assuming that SE doesn't crack under the pressure and lower the price further).

If you're worried about saving up for personal housing, honestly I don't think it's soon enough to worry since we don't have any idea what it will cost. I doubt that it will be anything like FC housing, though, either in cost OR in implementation. Don't look at FC housing and anticipate that your own house will be the same way. You'll just wind up disappointed.

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Originally Posted by AlesStone

Yay, I can put forth to get 1 piece of VIT materia a week and can spend months trying to get housing if I want to be at less than 1k gil afterward.
...Sorry I'm not trying to be rude....

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I can tell you after getting our fc house, yes it was incredibly heavy task, but brute force will power can be raised. Sure it's like a weight lifted off our shoulders and much lighter pockets, but it's more a matter of fc business and less on the impossibility of it. Running gil making event and non stop harassment did achieve results.

And yes I do still feel like a highway robbery to get that house.

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Originally Posted by AlesStone

While some may be thinking "you don't have to get a house" that is true, however I also don't have to upgrade my gear, or do any lvl 50 content, or level up.

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While both statements are true, they're not exactly the same thing. The lack of a house is going to affect maybe 1-3% of the game's content? The not upgrading your gear or doing any lvl 50 content or above is going to affect 90% of the game's content. So, yes, nobody is forcing you to do both, but if you choose not to do the latter, then you might as well say "well you don't have to pay for the game."

Again, upgrading your gear post 50 can be done without ever spending gil. Crafted gear is only iLvl 70 and even with pentamelds, it's not going to compare to ilvl 90 stuff (though some may debate this point). But in the event that there is some pentameld out there (gryphonskin maybe? rose gold?) the is somewhat on par with an iLvl 90, nobody will scoff at you having say allagan gloves instead of a pentamelded glove.

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Originally Posted by AlesStone

It isn't fair to make some things dirt cheap (and gil hard to make) but yet not make other things so cheap

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Jests aside, this is really the players' fault. SE could think of other ways to implement an Auction House-like their AH in FFXI where the listed prices are hidden and you can also see price history. Supply and Demand. Free market, "yadda yadda"

If you want to make gil "quickly" sell extreme primals wins. Get a group together that you practice with and fine tune to carry a single person. That or take your chances and try and play the market. Until new crafted items come in 2.2 there will be a dip in easy money making.

Also, you could try some leves. Some leves you can buy the turn in items you need (even if NQ) and turn in and make more gil than the total cost of the item.

You can buy low and sell high.

I have botanist level 50 (though its not really necessary) I usually gather 99 flax seed and sell it for 100 + gil each. Thats close 10k profit

Or you can farm apkallu eggs and night milk on costa del sol or fleece in coerthas. I can usually make 100k a week.

Or you can invest in leveling a crafter, but it'll be VERY expensive, so choose the right 1.

a) Get 8 friends who have a level 50 fish/miner/bot
b) Everyone get their pieteskin map for the day
c) Complete them as a group (all loot going to the person whose map it is)

After finishing the 8 maps you'll make a minimum of 12,800. That doesn't count if some maps drop 5k gil per person, or the shards/etc you'll get. You'll likely make more around 20-35k in gil alone after the 8 maps are completed. It only takes about an hour, too. In a week you'll make a minimum of around 170,000-200,000 gil. That doesn't count selling crystals etc that you might get (or heaven forbid, a bluebird).

I'm a pretty casual player, but it seems to me that SE has intentionally made gil completely unnecessary in this game.
This is sad for the crafters of XIV.
In XI crafted items were more useful and since they were resellable you were much more likely to spend your gil on them.
In XIV I know I can never resell an expensive item so I am much more stingy. This issue will need to be addressed if the game hopes to continue.

Fantastic, (with the exception of Max_Damade) you have all either 1: stated something which is obviously wrong in this day's market. 2: basically told me if I try hard enough, I can get enough gold to try harder to try hard to make gil to get materia 4 OR to spirit bond it myself, but fuck housing you're shit out of luck and we will only bring up the issues in pricing that you have brought up and not think about it on our own.

This has absolutely, positively, outstandingly, graciously, and expertly 100% given me an answer to my question. I will never again question the almost perfect with just a few flaws (like housing) current state of this game's economy. I thank you all tremendously.