Question...is Tanaka and Yoshi-P working this way? (Read inside)

Something occurred to me. The updates Yoshi-P has been pushing out have been somewhat disappointing thus far, and that led me to wonder this very question; Is Yoshi-P just working on the core aspect of the game, while Tanaka works on developing more content for the game?

Here's how it pans out: Yoshi-P's team works on fixing the game and the core battle system. Tanaka's team focuses on developing usable content and assets for Yoshi-P's team (ie. Ishgard, new zones/regions, classes/jobs, etc) and passes them off to Yoshi-P for finalization and implementation.

Now this doesn't mean Tanaka has a final say in the overall vision of the game, but rather produces the actual resources for Yoshi-P's team to utilize in developing the game. Let's say they want to make Ishgard available by the PS3 release - they haven't said anything about that yet. Maybe this is because it was content already planned by Tanaka prior to the team changeover. They're still working on producing the actual game resources (environment models, sound, ambient music, etc), but Yoshi-P isn't ready to announce this content until he figures out how to fit it into his vision of a resurrected Final Fantasy 14.

That's what I think is, or ought to be, going on. At least in this way, Tanaka has an opportunity to redeem himself for his mistakes.

no what is going on is yoshi has never been in charge of a game of this size and is completely overwhelmed and lost. he has no direction and no idea what is going on.

it doesn't matter what he has going on behind the scenes he is the head guy and it is his responsibility to get things done. i do believe this is how people were towards tanaka isn't it? why did one director with more experience get blasted while the inexperienced guy gets a free pass? this line of thinking is completely backwards.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

no what is going on is yoshi has never been in charge of a game of this size and is completely overwhelmed and lost. he has no direction and no idea what is going on.

it doesn't matter what he has going on behind the scenes he is the head guy and it is his responsibility to get things done. i do believe this is how people were towards tanaka isn't it? why did one director with more experience get blasted while the inexperienced guy gets a free pass? this line of thinking is completely backwards.

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The reason Tanaka got blasted was because he was a closed-minded person who did not take feedback very well, nor did he encourage feedback of any kind. His overall attitude was "I'm making this game and you're going to like it no matter what."

End result? Nobody liked his vision or the way he implemented it, thus he got kicked to the curb.

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Originally Posted by SilvertearRen

The reason Tanaka got blasted was because he was a closed-minded person who did not take feedback very well, nor did he encourage feedback of any kind. His overall attitude was "I'm making this game and you're going to like it no matter what."

End result? Nobody liked his vision or the way he implemented it, thus he got kicked to the curb.

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Well, in all frankness, we never really SAW Tanaka's vision.. only half-baked parts of it. For all we know, once it was finished, it may have been one of the best MMO games to date, or it could have been total crap, We'll never really know.

Instead, the game was rushed out the door a full year before it should have been, the players saw the half-baked mess, hated it, and started yelling for change that would bring the game back into familiar territory (FFXI, WoW style).

I'm neither willing nor able to blame Tanaka's vision for FFXIV...

His execution?
Perhaps.

The forces that pushed this game to be released long ahead of it's time?
Definitely.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

no what is going on is yoshi has never been in charge of a game of this size and is completely overwhelmed and lost. he has no direction and no idea what is going on.

it doesn't matter what he has going on behind the scenes he is the head guy and it is his responsibility to get things done. i do believe this is how people were towards tanaka isn't it? why did one director with more experience get blasted while the inexperienced guy gets a free pass? this line of thinking is completely backwards.

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Sorry dood but this comment is fail.. Tanaka had years to get something good out.. We've only given Yoshi a few months to get Tanakas fail plan into gear. Get off the hater aid dood.

However I must say looking at earlier letters from yoshi I expected shit to get done a lot quicker then this.. And now im a little annoyed that we don't get hardly shit worth of communication anymore.

Guys, what the hell are you guessing about.
Ren, how do you know that. If you say Well DUH, then I'd say that Square Enix is not that transparent as you think. So stop guessing about things you'll never know without SE's input.
Same goes with everyone here, and I'm not disappointed about the updates.

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Originally Posted by Renshi

Guys, what the hell are you guessing about.
Ren, how do you know that. If you say Well DUH, then I'd say that Square Enix is not that transparent as you think. So stop guessing about things you'll never know without SE's input.
Same goes with everyone here, and I'm not disappointed about the updates.

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I didn't guess anything, I made an observation based on the letters provided as well as how often information was provided January compared to now..

Bang Bang Boogie

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Originally Posted by Morticous

I didn't guess anything, I made an observation based on the letters provided as well as how often information was provided January compared to now..

Bang Bang Boogie

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I was watching Two Best Friends play while writing this, so I didn't notice your post =)

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Originally Posted by Morticous

I didn't guess anything, I made an observation based on the letters provided as well as how often information was provided January compared to now..

Bang Bang Boogie

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The Japanese are getting more hits then us with information now, I think it has to do with how we take everything. No matter what Yoshida releases he gets flamed, people twist his words into horrible things, rumors spread like wildfire, and page after page of BS appears on the forums. If you where him, wouldn't you stop giving information to the people who are not appreciative of him taking the time to give it to us. His job is not to talk to the Players, his job is to make sure everything in the development is going right.

I mean crap if everyone told me I was just making crap up to string along everyone, and everything I posted was 100% bs I would stop talking to those people.

I could be wrong, but I see it as we all should be glad we are told anything anymore with how we react to it.

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Originally Posted by Morticous

Sorry dood but this comment is fail.. Tanaka had years to get something good out.. We've only given Yoshi a few months to get Tanakas fail plan into gear. Get off the hater aid dood.

However I must say looking at earlier letters from yoshi I expected shit to get done a lot quicker then this.. And now im a little annoyed that we don't get hardly shit worth of communication anymore.

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He's very hellbent on thinking Yoshida has no game development knowledge whatsoever. The only reason the updates have been "disappointing" is because they aren't content updates -- he was given a mess of a game to get back on track and there's the good possibility it will take a very long time to do as such. They literally have to change the game from the core out which unless my company is behind in the times, won't be something that's done in months times. If it gets done within Q1 2012 I'd be shocked.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

The Japanese are getting more hits then us with information now, I think it has to do with how we take everything. No matter what Yoshida releases he gets flamed, people twist his words into horrible things, rumors spread like wildfire, and page after page of BS appears on the forums. If you where him, wouldn't you stop giving information to the people who are not appreciative of him taking the time to give it to us. His job is not to talk to the Players, his job is to make sure everything in the development is going right.

I mean crap if everyone told me I was just making crap up to string along everyone, and everything I posted was 100% bs I would stop talking to those people.

I could be wrong, but I see it as we all should be glad we are told anything anymore with how we react to it.

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^This is what have been happen as of til now. Admit it, you guys think too much negatively on Yoshi's plan.

Crystal tool is crap there working on something that hard to work with. Tanaka ask for more time CEO said no you have this amount of time deal with it. CEO needed to blame someone tanaka stand up and said i take it then they hire yoshi-p he taking just as long as Tanaka to take a dam patch he done noting but over grow Mobs and make spell bigger and fix a few thing here and there with the ward and so on added pointless NM and pointless Quest with no real backbone storyline or CS. All do to Crystal tool this is what am thinking crystal tool sucks and the old dev team was lazy asshole who did not do anything.

I don't blame tanaka but if tanaka put the final fantasy feel in to ffxiv and yoshi-p add a little western into it the game would be the best tanaka version mix with yoshi-p this is whati want them both working together.

This debate is pointless. Neither Yoshi-P or Tanaka can save this game. I've said it a bunch of times, the only way to save this game is for SE to partner with Hironobu Sakaguchi, and let Mistwalker take over development from here.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Crystal tool is crap there working on something that hard to work with. Tanaka ask for more time CEO said no you have this amount of time deal with it. CEO needed to blame someone tanaka stand up and said i take it then they hire yoshi-p he taking just as long as Tanaka to take a dam patch he done noting but over grow Mobs and make spell bigger and fix a few thing here and there with the ward and so on added pointless NM and pointless Quest with no real backbone storyline or CS. All do to Crystal tool this is what am thinking crystal tool sucks and the old dev team was lazy asshole who did not do anything.

I don't blame tanaka but if tanaka put the final fantasy feel in to ffxiv and yoshi-p add a little western into it the game would be the best tanaka version mix with yoshi-p this is whati want them both working together.

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FFXIII and Versus-XIII (which most people are looking forward to) kind of proves the engine isn't crap. XIV's optimization is very very poorly done. There's a lot of games out there that are horrible built on the havoc, CyT and Unreal but you wouldn't call the engines crap.

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

This debate is pointless. Neither Yoshi-P or Tanaka can save this game. I've said it a bunch of times, the only way to save this game is for SE to partner with Hironobu Sakaguchi, and let Mistwalker take over development from here.

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But he would just make a better RPG, which people say are bad for MMORPGs. They have to be action based platformers based on current standards as people say. So partnering with them would actually hurt the game more based on current MMORPG gamers.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

But he would just make a better RPG, which people say are bad for MMORPGs. They have to be action based platformers based on current standards as people say. So partnering with them would actually hurt the game more based on current MMORPG gamers.

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Heres a newflash for SE.. we don't watch an action based platform that's going to get old in a month. We want a RPG that allows us to play with others.

You guys. Tanaka was never the director. He never had creative control over the project. He didn't have a "vision." He was just responsible for the execution of the game. In that respect he failed. Nobuaki Komoto was the Director, he was the one responsible for any "vision," and he is still part of the team as a lead designer. I think the confusion comes in because Yoshida is now the Producer and Director. So, if in the next few months the additions to the game begin to take some terrible turn, then perhaps we could begin to discuss Yoshida's experience. But right now it is both too soon and inappropriate to compare Yoshida to Tanaka.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

The Japanese are getting more hits then us with information now, I think it has to do with how we take everything. No matter what Yoshida releases he gets flamed, people twist his words into horrible things, rumors spread like wildfire, and page after page of BS appears on the forums. If you where him, wouldn't you stop giving information to the people who are not appreciative of him taking the time to give it to us. His job is not to talk to the Players, his job is to make sure everything in the development is going right.

I mean crap if everyone told me I was just making crap up to string along everyone, and everything I posted was 100% bs I would stop talking to those people.

I could be wrong, but I see it as we all should be glad we are told anything anymore with how we react to it.

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Doesn't each letter he puts out get like 500 Likes???? I doubt he makes all of his decisions based on peoples forum posts. Also when he says hes gonna get something done quick.. or its gonna take time.. or however he wants to say it, it would be helpfull to give us a target time like.. 3 months.. and within that three months give us an update like... 'Well we ran into some more problems so maybe another month so instead of Aug.. now Sept.' or.. 'Hey we are really moving along fast! instead of Aug the release should be out July!'

But when it says I'm going to get this game turned around as fast as I can (Or whatever he said to that effect) it makes people think.. 'WOw! this game should be looking good in about 2-3 months!' not... 'Wow! This game should be looking good in another year and a half!'

We are all running on a lot of promises hopes and wishes right now.. and none of those show a damn thing when its taking this long so don't be so quick to dismiss the people who are confused and dissapointed.

I also want to say that people don't need to be near as harsh as they are about how they talk about people either. That is not constructive at all.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

But he would just make a better RPG, which people say are bad for MMORPGs. They have to be action based platformers based on current standards as people say. So partnering with them would actually hurt the game more based on current MMORPG gamers.

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Don't forget that Sakaguchi was still holding the reins at Square when FFXI was developed and released. The idea to make FFXI an MMORPG was his idea.

Actually the reason Yoshi-P replaced Tanaka is because he has MORE experience with leadership and production on MMO's, same with the rest of the replacement team. Go back and read the letter announcing the team change-up if you are unsure. I'm sure they didn't lie about that.

Yoshi also has FAR better communication skills. Now if you want to go back to the time we didn't know wth was going to happen because the producer didn't talk to or respond to any feedback, by all means keep calling for Tanaka back.

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Originally Posted by Reika

Actually the reason Yoshi-P replaced Tanaka is because he has MORE experience with leadership and production on MMO's, same with the rest of the replacement team. Go back and read the letter announcing the team change-up if you are unsure. I'm sure they didn't lie about that.

Yoshi also has FAR better communication skills. Now if you want to go back to the time we didn't know wth was going to happen because the producer didn't talk to or respond to any feedback, by all means keep calling for Tanaka back.

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No argument about Yoshi's communication skills, even though everything we hear from him is filtered through your American Community Representatives (hi guys).

But to say Yoshi-P has more leadership experience in anything is absurd. Tanaka is one of Square's co-founders, and has been producing and directing games for well over 20 years.

http://ealouse.wordpress.com/2010/10/12/hello-world/

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

No argument about Yoshi's communication skills, even though everything we hear from him is filtered through your American Community Representatives (hi guys).

But to say Yoshi-P has more leadership experience in anything is absurd. Tanaka is one of Square's co-founders, and has been producing and directing games for well over 20 years.

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http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...574cb9c3991c9f

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To realize this vision, and in doing so, provide our customers with a better game experience, we have assembled our company's top talent and resources. Taking over the role of producer and director is Naoki Yoshida, a passionate individual for whom customer satisfaction has always taken top priority. Not only is he one of our Group's most accomplished and experienced members, Naoki Yoshida is also a charismatic leader possessing the skill to bring together and effectively helm a team which encompasses a wide range of responsibilities. We also welcome several new leaders handpicked from other projects to work with the existing talent on FINAL FANTASY XIV.

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They said it, I just concurred :)

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

No argument about Yoshi's communication skills, even though everything we hear from him is filtered through your American Community Representatives (hi guys).

But to say Yoshi-P has more leadership experience in anything is absurd. Tanaka is one of Square's co-founders, and has been producing and directing games for well over 20 years.

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Tanaka wasn't always a producer and/or director. Yoshida isn't fresh in the industry either.

Who cares about Tanaka's experience if this is what we received? A game with an incomplete engine and server infrastructure, completely stupid class and battle system (after they had already been revamped), boring content, boring world, the worst trading system to date in any MMO, a bunch of other half-assed or incomplete features, all working with outdated software technology and extremely unoptimized.

I'm surprised the guy even has a job after f***ing up a project this big. SE simply brought in their next best man -- and thankfully, he's got a way better attitude and vision with MMOs than Tanaka.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

The Japanese are getting more hits then us with information now, I think it has to do with how we take everything. No matter what Yoshida releases he gets flamed, people twist his words into horrible things, rumors spread like wildfire, and page after page of BS appears on the forums.

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Everyone knows by now they should look at this game as a beta yet still flame everything presented to us before they even test it.

How many people cry how ANYTHING would be better than what we have now?
How many of these SAME people cry about EVERYTHING we get and about to receive?

Luckily i'm not Yoshi-P or the NA side would have been shut down with this notice...


http://files.sharenator.com/gtfo_tak...-78516-580.jpg

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Originally Posted by Akumu

Everyone knows by now they should look at this game as a beta yet still flame everything presented to us before they even test it.

How many people cry how ANYTHING would be better than what we have now?
How many of these SAME people cry about EVERYTHING we get and about to receive?

Luckily i'm not Yoshi-P or the NA side would have been shut down with this notice...


http://files.sharenator.com/gtfo_tak...-78516-580.jpg

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Originally Posted by Akumu

Everyone knows by now they should look at this game as a beta yet still flame everything presented to us before they even test it.

How many people cry how ANYTHING would be better than what we have now?
How many of these SAME people cry about EVERYTHING we get and about to receive?

Luckily i'm not Yoshi-P or the NA side would have been shut down with this notice...


http://files.sharenator.com/gtfo_tak...-78516-580.jpg

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its like the same 10 people on this forum who are instigating this nonsense.. look at you guys with 300+ post already.. just arguing about everything. Yoshi is probly sitting in his office reading this trash laughing his ass off wondering why non of us lazy Americans have jobs. Instead, your going to sit on this damn forum all day and post post post post psosdiosdufasydgvpasdofjdso post post until you have 99999 posts? Im sure he keeps it open just to entertain himself through all this bs hes having to fix wondering what next he can vaguely portray in a letter to us just to get you all riled up. His team is probly wondering wtf hes doing in his office all day laughing saying "Doesn't this guy do work?"

EDIT: I also want to say I'm assuming everyone who spends their entire day posting at lease 100 posts a day is American because that's how we ROLL AROUND HERE!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Morticous

its like the same 10 people on this forum who are instigating this nonsense.. look at you guys with 300+ post already.. just arguing about everything. Yoshi is probly sitting in his office reading this trash laughing his ass off wondering why non of us lazy Americans have jobs. Instead, your going to sit on this damn forum all day and post post post post psosdiosdufasydgvpasdofjdso post post until you have 99999 posts? Im sure he keeps it open just to entertain himself through all this bs hes having to fix wondering what next he can vaguely portray in a letter to us just to get you all riled up. His team is probly wondering wtf hes doing in his office all day laughing saying "Doesn't this guy do work?"

EDIT: I also want to say I'm assuming everyone who spends their entire day posting at lease 100 posts a day is American because that's how we ROLL AROUND HERE!!!!!!

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When you get to 300 posts your heart will explode.

yeah maybe, or I will finally feel like I've accomplished (over 2 years) what you accomplished likely in a 3 months (as if I need to feel such an accomplishment) "OMG Finally I've got 300 post, weeeee!!!".

Yoshi: "HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH! OMG AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH"

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Originally Posted by Morticous

its like the same 10 people on this forum who are instigating this nonsense.. look at you guys with 300+ post already.. just arguing about everything. Yoshi is probly sitting in his office reading this trash laughing his ass off wondering why non of us lazy Americans have jobs. Instead, your going to sit on this damn forum all day and post post post post psosdiosdufasydgvpasdofjdso post post until you have 99999 posts? Im sure he keeps it open just to entertain himself through all this bs hes having to fix wondering what next he can vaguely portray in a letter to us just to get you all riled up. His team is probly wondering wtf hes doing in his office all day laughing saying "Doesn't this guy do work?"

EDIT: I also want to say I'm assuming everyone who spends their entire day posting at lease 100 posts a day is American because that's how we ROLL AROUND HERE!!!!!!

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Hey! Its not my fault my beer belly gets in da way! Absorbs punches though.

Well you aren't the first low poster to come and harp on the more constant posters and their high post counts. certainly wont be the last :). The thing is some people actually like reading these AND giving their opinion the matters discussed. I am one of those people.

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Originally Posted by Reika

Well you aren't the first low poster to come and harp on the more constant posters and their high post counts. certainly wont be the last :). The thing is some people actually like reading these AND giving their op

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I'm just poking fun, i could care less about how many posts you have, I personally am getting a little tired of reading these posts lately, they are all the same bitchfest about what nobody even knows about.

Where did all these experts come from anyway?

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Originally Posted by Morticous

I'm just poking fun, i could care less about how many posts you have, I personally am getting a little tired of reading these posts lately, they are all the same bitchfest about what nobody even knows about.

Where did all these experts come from anyway?

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Bring on 1.18!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Morticous

I'm just poking fun, i could care less about how many posts you have, I personally am getting a little tired of reading these posts lately, they are all the same bitchfest about what nobody even knows about.

Where did all these experts come from anyway?

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All i see from people are opinions, there are few experts.

These forums can make you quite the cynic, in my expert opinion.

Please point me to the threads with just opinions minus the "experts".

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Originally Posted by Morticous

Please point me to the threads with just opinions minus the "experts".

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How do you want to define expert?

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Originally Posted by Bled

How do you want to define expert?

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Probably those who try to state state facts (but often forget the sources for those facts) about things that will happen with the game in the near or distant future. There are a lot of people who tend to post things as if 'They Know' it will happen. They have Miss Cleo right there next to them telling them the future.