New MNK evasive ability please. Like BRD/DRG evasion jumps.

Can MNKs get a evasive ability like BRD and DRG? BRD gets Repelling Shot and DRG get Elusive Jump. MNKs don't get anything, I think a Backflip or some kind of upward Backflip Kick could work. It could be a non-damage ability like DRG or a low potency ability like BRD.

maybe. Fighting with monk on knights in turn 4 is kinda annoying..

The dragoon one you're talking about isn't exactly an evasion/avoid damage thing. Try using it in CT when there's crap on the floor, you still take damage until you land on the save zone(which takes a long time). You'll probably end up dying if you try using this in something like titan/ifrit extreme.

I play DRG and BRD and I use them both and I really don't have issues when I use them. Just thought it would something nice for MNK to have. Dragon Kick can kinda get you out of an AoE, but It would be nice to have a real skill.

Those abilities are mostly for the aggro drop.

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Originally Posted by Arkista

I play DRG and BRD and I use them both and I really don't have issues when I use them. Just thought it would something nice for MNK to have. Dragon Kick can kinda get you out of an AoE, but It would be nice to have a real skill.

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Yet you have featherfoot and Second Wind which are both really strong... nope. No pity for you.

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Originally Posted by Warrlordd

Yet you have featherfoot and Second Wind which are both really strong... nope. No pity for you.

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don't forget MNK come w/ fist of earth... (%20 damage medi...)

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Originally Posted by Warrlordd

Yet you have featherfoot and Second Wind which are both really strong... nope. No pity for you.

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don't forget mantra=>2nd wind

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Originally Posted by Warrlordd

Yet you have featherfoot and Second Wind which are both really strong... nope. No pity for you.

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pity for the monk? no non no.

Pity for the tank that has to have agro wars witth the monk

Monk already has Fists of Wind.
You don't need a new move, you just need Fists of Wind to actually do something noticeable.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

don't forget mantra=>2nd wind

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IIRC I dont believe mantra helps Second Wind, as second wind is based on your current Attack Power

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Originally Posted by Warrlordd

Yet you have featherfoot and Second Wind which are both really strong... nope. No pity for you.

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lol. Maybe if Featherfoot was 100% evasion and Second Wind just heals what does that have to do with evading?

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Originally Posted by Bardo

Monk already has Fists of Wind.
You don't need a new move, you just need Fists of Wind to actually do something noticeable.

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If they fixed Fist of Wind to give you more movement speed while engaged that would work.

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Originally Posted by MrDiezel

IIRC I dont believe mantra helps Second Wind, as second wind is based on your current Attack Power

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I would have to test it but I think Mantra does effect Second Wind, I use it when I need to self heal. I know Internal Release effects SW.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

don't forget mantra=>2nd wind

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Second Wind isn't affected by Mantra.

You may like DRGs elusive jump because it looks cool but in terms of practical use its faster to just walk out of the red. Its main use is the build in enmity drop.

Tbh i wished you wouldnt even backjump, as in most cases its just a dps loss because you have to walk back like an idiot, when all you really wanted was to decrease your enmity or get rid of that bind.

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Originally Posted by Lecreuset

The dragoon one you're talking about isn't exactly an evasion/avoid damage thing. Try using it in CT when there's crap on the floor, you still take damage until you land on the save zone(which takes a long time). You'll probably end up dying if you try using this in something like titan/ifrit extreme.

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I was told that using Repelling Shot / Elusive Jump makes it so you can't actually go off the edge. Instead you wind up on some other area of the arena.

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Originally Posted by CalvatE

I was told that using Repelling Shot / Elusive Jump makes it so you can't actually go off the edge. Instead you wind up on some other area of the arena.

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The concern is less going off the edge and more going into something bad or having the game still think you're where you started when the bad thing detonates.

We have shoulder tackle. Shoulder tackle is better than anything drg or brd gets.

See also: Shut up before we lose a better ability.

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Originally Posted by ChaozK

You may like DRGs elusive jump because it looks cool but in terms of practical use its faster to just walk out of the red. Its main use is the build in enmity drop.
Tbh i wished you wouldnt even backjump, as in most cases its just a dps loss because you have to walk back like an idiot, when all you really wanted was to decrease your enmity or get rid of that bind.

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In most cases you'll prefer to walk out of AoE by yourself because of how Elusive Jump works. As long as your character hasn't landed you count as not moving from your starting point. So most of the time you get hit because the AoE lands before you land yourself. Even if visualy you were out of the area, for the game you're still accounted as being inside it. While you would have walked 2 yalms on your right/left you wouldn't have been hit.

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Originally Posted by CalvatE

I was told that using Repelling Shot / Elusive Jump makes it so you can't actually go off the edge. Instead you wind up on some other area of the arena.

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Definitly ..... not. Elusive Jump near a border kills you. The only special thing it does is that you don't have the long fall to your death, your character is somewhat teleported to the bottom to die. You just gain 2 seconds toward your death :p But you definitly fall, there's no invisible wall.
Well in a sense you're right in fact: you're effectively teleported to some other area of the arena: the bottom and you're dead :p

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Originally Posted by Rochetm

We have shoulder tackle. Shoulder tackle is better than anything drg or brd gets.

See also: Shut up before we lose a better ability.

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Sorry but I guess people don't read before they post. I don't see how Shoulder Tackle would be effect in getting out of an AoE. Unless there was a mob close by that I could target and then use the Skill on. But I think walking out would be faster than targeting a new mob and hope they are in range to use the skill......


And why is everyone talking about Titan? There are other places in the game With AoEs. I've used both the jumps for BRD and DRG and never had issues. Guess you got to have fast reflexes to use them effectively.

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Originally Posted by Arkista

And why is everyone talking about Titan? There are other places in the game With AoEs. I've used both the jumps for BRD and DRG and never had issues. Guess you got to have fast reflexes to use them effectively.

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The point is, why would you evade with something that takes longer to evade instead of just, you know, walking out normally, where you dont even need fast reflexes to begin with. You are basically asking for more flashiness.

MNK is fine w/o an evasive leap. If we get too much of the same things the other classes get, it'll make the classes feel too much similar and it'll become more boring to play alt classes. The only think I think we really need is an enmity dump. Ideally a brand new skill off the GCD that only has the one purpose of dropping enmity.

This is not a request for a skill, it's a request of "SE I want my monk to look cool when evading". Why an evading skill.. just walk out of stuff which actually takes skill instead of pushing a button and faceroll in the air. xD

I think MNK is fine. Unfortunately it's never enough for some of us. I always fail to understand the argument: "because this class has that, and that class has this"... That's why there are different classes/jobs, they have different abilities.

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Originally Posted by ChaozK

The point is, why would you evade with something that takes longer to evade instead of just, you know, walking out normally, where you dont even need fast reflexes to begin with. You are basically asking for more flashiness.

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The funny point : a BRD in my FC was dodging plumes with RS. Bad luck, the plumes spawned just after he launched another skill :p

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Originally Posted by ChaozK

The point is, why would you evade with something that takes longer to evade instead of just, you know, walking out normally, where you dont even need fast reflexes to begin with. You are basically asking for more flashiness.

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Flashiness should always be something to strive for!

Utility wise mnk is lacking ranged making a repel option detrimental do damage. If anything shoulder tackle should have a shorter disable range and duration for faster position recovery after dodging scaled with gl stacks, and maybe make it reset the gl timer like bane does to dots. I don't believe it gets the speed bonus being a ocd.

Elusive sucks in comparison you have to actually aim backwards to use as a gap closer without the help of a target to guide you. Between the 3 gap closers drg has this one has the worst utility.

As stated before because of the way they calculate your position during these your better off just stepping out of the way.

Screw an evasive move, I want an enmity dump.

fist of wind saved ur monk's ass from every damn aoe OP, wish my DRG have a 15% mov spd boost like my MNK!

;; I can't dodge AoEs, is all I'm reading. Stick to a ranged class >:D!