Turn 2, Turn 4, turbo myth farming

I'm thinking once coil 1-5 lockout is removed people will spam these quicker turns for 50 myth per win. I understand new tomes will be introduced, but myth won't be useless I'd guess.

This could be a major hit to DF-hard dailies, especially if there isn't a gear lockout of some sort like CT. Superfast myth and gear, death nail to CT and the daily DFs. I'm not saying that's a horrible thing, just something that probably should be discussed. Your thoughts?

I think the existing dailies will remain for new players who are trying to gear up so that they can do T2/T4.

But I think you are correct unless they make adjustments. And I hope they make adjustments so that players have more choice. For example, they might alter how much myth each turn gives, if all lockouts are removed.

Once full ilvl 90 become entry level gear, daily farming coil will become normal. CT will be for less geared players and alts. Daily roulette will die if it wont give new tomes.

Pretty sure come 2.2 there won't be a myth cap, so there will have to be some changes to how rapidly myth is acquired when doing repeatable content.

Considering how little myth HM/EX primals give, they may have to rebalance how much myth each turn of coil gives to make it more consistent. Interesting point you bring up here.

Yea there should be no myth cap in 2.2, since a new tombstone is comming out which will be for AF2 probably.

even if myths be capped (let's say 900 per week) , i think ppls' will just auto cap while farm Coil for gear ;)

They're probably going to lower the amount of Myth given by T1-5, and add Philo and/or the new Tome.

Yoshi just said the week lockout will be removed. So I see why people think there will be no lockout, But do you really think they are going to let players go all out in coils for gear? No.... Next live letter I will bet he will says its 24-72hrs. Don't think so? Look at Crystal Tower we have a 1 week lockout on it and Gear is only ilvl80. So I doubt they will just remove a total lockout on Coils. Not just that but no one said they are removing Myth Tome cap. They didn't even want to give us 450 cap, They may raise it to like 550-650 but I doubt they will remove the cap entirely.

The game still has to have lockouts, not enough content for them to remove everything.

I may eat my own words, But this is SE look how long it takes them to fix simple stuff.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Arkista

Yoshi just said the week lockout will be removed. So I see why people think there will be no lockout, But do you really think they are going to let players go all out in coils for gear? No.... Next live letter I will bet he will says its 24-72hrs. Don't think so? Look at Crystal Tower we have a 1 week lockout on it and Gear is only ilvl80. So I doubt they will just remove a total lockout on Coils. Not just that but no one said they are removing Myth Tome cap. They didn't even want to give us 450 cap, They may raise it to like 550-650 but I doubt they will remove the cap entirely.

The game still has to have lockouts, not enough content for them to remove everything.

I may eat my own words, But this is SE look how long it takes them to fix simple stuff.

---

Cause they gate top tier content but when its no longer top tier the gate is removed.

I'm torn because I absolutely hate turn 2. But I want the caster body and gloves. So I will probably spam them til I have them and just never go back again.

Turn 4 is actually pretty fun, though, I wouldn't mind running it for mythology. Though in terms of time taken, Haukke Manor HM is pretty quick in the right groups, and it gives philo and myth.

I suppose the big question will become will the new tomes drop from old coil? If so, then yeah, I will probably be all about turn 4.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by PArcher

They're probably going to lower the amount of Myth given by T1-5, and add Philo and/or the new Tome.

---

Coil turns 1, 2, 4 and 5 all give the same amount as Pharos Sirius and the new Hard modes. I don't see why they'd need to lower them.

Why turns 2 and 4? PUGs use enrage for T2 which makes the turn take about 20 minutes. At least half of PUGs can't beat T4, when T4 goes into duty finder there will be worse players too. I see turn 3's only use as turbo myth farming when 2.2 hits unless they nerf it to 20 myth or something.

I've always used Coil to farm Myth since It doesn't drop me anything anyways lol. :(

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by xRitzx

Why turns 2 and 4? PUGs use enrage for T2 which makes the turn take about 20 minutes. At least half of PUGs can't beat T4, when T4 goes into duty finder there will be worse players too. I see turn 3's only use as turbo myth farming when 2.2 hits unless they nerf it to 20 myth or something.

---

Turn 3 doesn't even give mythology tomes.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ferth

I'm torn because I absolutely hate turn 2. But I want the caster body and gloves. So I will probably spam them til I have them and just never go back again.

Turn 4 is actually pretty fun, though, I wouldn't mind running it for mythology. Though in terms of time taken, Haukke Manor HM is pretty quick in the right groups, and it gives philo and myth.

I suppose the big question will become will the new tomes drop from old coil? If so, then yeah, I will probably be all about turn 4.



Coil turns 1, 2, 4 and 5 all give the same amount as Pharos Sirius and the new Hard modes. I don't see why they'd need to lower them.

---

I think he means cause T2 especially is super duper easy and takes like 10 minutes to complete without even trying.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Zumi

Cause they gate top tier content but when its no longer top tier the gate is removed.

---

So why does Crystal Tower have a lockout? It's not "Top Tier Content". So they "Gate" all content, If anything Crystal Tower Lockout out will be removed. But I doubt they will fully remove a total lockout on Coils and Myth Cap.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by xRitzx

Why turns 2 and 4? PUGs use enrage for T2 which makes the turn take about 20 minutes. At least half of PUGs can't beat T4, when T4 goes into duty finder there will be worse players too. I see turn 3's only use as turbo myth farming when 2.2 hits unless they nerf it to 20 myth or something.

---

Pugs at least on Balmung not have any problems on T4 (last weeks every pug i joined got beat it nearly 2~3 attempts max) Also T1-5 will get some sort of nerf so i think T4 will became gold mine XD for mytho farm + free gear. Also ppl's will hunt other pieces on other T ofc.

probably been said before didnt read all but when they nerf content they also drop rewards.. look at AK for an example

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

Turn 3 doesn't even give mythology tomes.

---

Thank you for letting me know that. I'm obviously not very observant on the Turn 3's myth reward and have only done T3 a couple times anyway.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Vladislav

Pugs at least on Balmung not have any problems on T4 (last weeks every pug i joined got beat it nearly 2~3 attempts max) Also T1-5 will get some sort of nerf so i think T4 will became gold mine XD for mytho farm + free gear. Also ppl's will hunt other pieces on other T ofc.

---

Consider yourself lucky or on a good server. I'm about 3 for 8 on T4 with PUGs and I beat it 2nd attempt when I was iLvL 76 and new. I'm now iLvL 86 and have done about every variation you can do on T4 with the exception of all ranged (2 caster 2 bard). So the issue isn't me and I've seen other players repeatedly try T4 parties in party finder. T4 duty finder groups will only be worse even if they have better gear and unlimited tries. Anyway, I think T2 is too long to be farm worthy and T4 will be too difficult with randoms in duty finder to farm as well.

I doubt they'll be nerfing the existing i90 rewards, but they're "nerfing" i90 across the board by making it no longer the top tier of gear. I suspect what we're going to see will be something like crystal tower either gets upgraded drops with the same lockout (unlikely) or has the weekly loot lockout removed (more likely), halatali HM, Brayflox HM and Amdapor having an increasing difficulty scale that sidesteps existing gearing somewhat My guess is Halatali will be easiest, probably beatable in full i60 and drop i70 or i75 gear, then brayflox having an i80 weapon/Jewelry set and Amdapor having its own full set of i90 gear to help people get ready to start coil2. That way if CT has the loot lockout removed people will be able to spam CT and Brayflox to get full i80 while earning uncapped myth tomes to fill in with i90, get some i90 out of either the new amdapor or spamming original coil, then be geared enough to start attempting coil2 once they've cleared all 5 turns.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ferth

Coil turns 1, 2, 4 and 5 all give the same amount as Pharos Sirius and the new Hard modes. I don't see why they'd need to lower them.

---

cos Pharos takes like 30-40min whereas T2,4 takes like 10 minutes

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ferth

Coil turns 1, 2, 4 and 5 all give the same amount as Pharos Sirius and the new Hard modes. I don't see why they'd need to lower them.

---

Because in the time it takes to do 1 Turn run of Pharos Sirius, you could do 3, Turn 4 runs and get x3 the amount of tomes. That WILL make all dungeons below Coil completely redundant.

They will probably reduce the amount of tomes you get, and there will most likely be a loot lockout to one item per turn.
But you can keep spamming it until you get the item you want.