Vote kick/party finder/duty finder has serious problems.

So me and three of my friends went into praetorium for the first time and the other people got mad at us for watching the cutscenes and kicked us from the party at the last fight :/ We went through the whole dungeon and they were obviously annoyed that we were watching the scenes but they didn't do anything until we got to the last boss and one of my friends was vote kicked while we were still in the cutscene. Then I was mocked for complaining about them kicking our friend. Then I was kicked.

I wish there was an option in duty finder that you could click for being okay with cutscenes/story or new people. Party finder has problems in that it only works on your own server so there's never enough people willing to join first timer groups. I also wish there was a way to report people more easily for kicking you unfairly from the group. Or to at least send a report contesting the reason for being kicked.

This kind of stuff makes it really hard to want to continue playing this game.

yup, serious problem

I had this same issue my first time through Praetorium, although I opted not to be confrontational about it and just skipped my cutscenes. Still, it really aggravated me and I still feel really slighted by it. Why should somebody new to the very last quest in the main story, the climax to your adventure, be punished for wanting to see that story? The scenes take one, maybe three minutes tops. It's just not right that I had to put my own enjoyment aside because people are impatient, especially when those impatient people have the power to punish you as they see fit.

The problem is that people are selfish, impatient, and quick to abuse their ability to kick people. It would be nice if there were ways to ensure that new players can enjoy their content without having the selfish ones slap them down for it. Right now the best a new player can hope for is a Free Company that's willing to let you enjoy it, or that the majority of the other seven people are above being petty about it.

That's really sucks , we only can hope devs reading this "tonns" of threads , and already thinking about Vote Kick "rework" . Best solution for SE atm is just "turn off" this feature till fixed .

I am wishing so much for the kick system to be fixed. Getting kicked from Prae during our first run, when we were so excited for the climax of our story, was terrible.
I don't want this to keep happening to players going in their first time.
So many people play Final Fantasy for the story, people shouldn't be pressured into skipping it.
I worry that reporting the people that abuse the kick system will do nothing and those people will just continue to do it and ruin the experience for others in the process.
I have even seen comments of people already wanting to leave the game and some of these were as soon as the system was announced.
It seems that there are many players who saw this coming.

party finder has a watch cs option.. just sayin
df your going to get everyone doing the story roulette or things that want out asap

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Originally Posted by krazyrs

party finder has a watch cs option.. just sayin
df your going to get everyone doing the story roulette or things that want out asap

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Krayzrs, I really hope you're not one of those idiotic douches that believe the roulette are for yourselves and not give a damn about the others. This goes to any impatience moron, if you want speed runs, use PF. PF is for that reason. DF/roulette is for players who are experiencing the game for the first time. The first time I did Praetorium, this was back in September, while the game was out, and I was disgusted that people were bitching about cutscene for they had already done it before. Me and another healer (Who was with me) told them to shove it or find another group and made them wait as we enjoyed the cutscene, heck, even the other healer took his sweet time watching the cutscene just to spite those rude dps that were moaning, but netherless group couldn't continue without us healers. This was before the votekick. Honestly, kicking someone out just because they are watching cutscenes is the most anal thing someone can do. My suggestions to those douchebags, get off this game and find another game to play if you can't be respectful and considerate to others. If you want speedruns, don't use Roulette at all.

SE needs to make it easier to report vote abuse, as there isn't really a way to do that. SE needs to have a prompt at the end for those who got kicked out to which they can click report abuse or not and SE can look into it and take actions.

I am a ps3 user, and I dread Praetorum because of the cutscenes. By the time I am finally able to skip......too late the fight starts. Now you can open a ticket about getting kicked out unjustly, but Square Enix won't do anything about it. Other than reply with a we're sorry letter. I saw an idea in these forums about a locked out of boss room till all done with cutscenes. I liked that idea. The whole point of the dungeon finder and roulettes was to help other progress through their story. I took a friend of mine through cm, and when it was over he asked "what just happened". I understand there are players wanting to speed run, but that ruins the experience that the cutscenes were supposed to provide. If you watch the cutscenes you are kicked or treated like crap. Yes this needs to be addressed asap, as right now it's a joke.

I got kicked from CT yesterday because I asked one of our healer to stop being afk, he was away the whole dragoon fight ... guess I joined a premade FC party :\

To expand on what I've already said (because it's late, I'm bored and have nothing better to do while the servers are down), I think the impatient mentality of a lot of players springs from the way the game is designed. I'm sure you're all sick of hearing comparisons to XI, but it's the best thing I have to go on at this point so bear with me here. Everything about this game is, for better or worse, much faster paced. Gear, quests and levels come and go much faster. I'm not going to begin arguing whether it's right or wrong for players to have more instant satisfaction because I could fill an entire thread with that, but... some people really need to break out of the "gotta do it fast, get my reward, go go go" mentality and just enjoy playing the game with other people. Is it really worth getting your tomes 15 minutes quicker if it ends up slighting another player? People need to take it slow. Stop and smell the Gashyl Greens, you know?

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Originally Posted by krazyrs

df your going to get everyone doing the story roulette or things that want out asap

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The whole point of main scenario DF is to get more players to help first timers to get through their story instances. That's what the extra reward is for: you're rewarded for offering your assistance, being patient with the first timers and letting them enjoy the story.

The "Vote Kick" feature was critically needed. If people remember before the days of vote kick, especially when the game first came out in that month or 2, there were terrible 90000 errors and lots of disconnections. So, many times a player would be in a dungeon, and someone would be just dc'd, and you literally had to wait a long time before the system 'autobooted' them, however even if they managed to come back on, then dc again shortly after, you have to wait again. It was a big inconvenience...


However the solution they have now, is any Tom, Dick or Harry can vote to "kick" someone for any damn reason, lets say they don't like the look of your armor. Or they don't like your name. Or freaking anything really. It only takes 1 person to vote kick (besides the initiator), so its pretty easy to get another person to just click 'yes' when who knows they might not even read what it was for. Or, starting fights in chat beforehand, like our group wiped and random dps says "tank why did you kill us? you are doing bad" and this sets the stage for an easy dismissal.

People who violate the vote kick feature can never be 'disciplined', becasue there is too many factors for a GM to need to know which is not available. At most, (and this isn't even guarnateed), is the GM can have access to the chat logs in the dungeon. So someone can just type "im kicking XXX for being afk" and then kick him. So there is 0 enforcement of abuse for this system because its nearly impossible to do.

So here is what they need to do
1) have Vote Kick only available for a player who is DC, or who has taken no actions for 2-3 minutes. This should be smart and not include auto-follow as a an action
2) Have a Vote Kick for "trolling/harassment" but have it with strict guidelines, and make it punishable on the players who vote for the kick if it is unjust. There needs to be a way to prove this , alternatively they could make the vote kick % be 75% of the group (instead of only 50% now which is very low). In addition if a player is vote kicked legit for harassment/cheating/trolling, they should have a small penalty as well, such as a 5-10 min dungeon lockout, or permanent mark put on their account.

Until this happens, a lot of good players will simply not use the DF system, and it will become a last resort for players to use.

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Originally Posted by Squa

So there is 0 enforcement of abuse for this system because its nearly impossible to do.

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You really hit the nail on the head. It's all about the consequence, or lack thereof. There's no consequence for abusing the kick function, so it not only continues to happen- it spreads, as people are never punished for acting this way. Luckily, I think this is actually an issue that the developers are aware of- they did add the vote abandon function, which mitigated things like kicking somebody you don't like so the rest of the group can leave without penalty. Whether that was actually the reason for the addition or not, I can't say. But I can hope that maybe they're aware the system has its flaws, and are working to resolve them.

As a little update to what happened. One of my friends that was kicked with me reported the people for them kicking us and they did get a response from the GMs about it.

"We have received your report regarding the possible abuse of the vote to kick feature. We understand that you join the duty finder to enjoy content, and we apologize for any frustration you've experienced by being removed suddenly. Although this feature is in place for a party to collectively decide whom they wish to play with, we acknowledge that there is still a possibility of this tool being used as a Grief Tactic.

Each report is taken very seriously, and we will begin an immediate investigation based on the information you've provided. Although we cannot share the outcome with you for privacy reasons, rest assured that we will take necessary actions in accordance with our policies. We appreciate your letting us know about this matter."