So, how to make sch not suck so bad compared to whm.

Can this be done? I mean they are ok, but I find them pretty useless in harder content due to low heal amounts, bad aoe heal ability and such compared to a whm. I've tried some of the stuff like coil and such (as a dps and also as a tank), and 2 sch's just don't cut it. Tried alot of stuff with 2 sch's and its just way more of a pain to finish compared to just having 2 whms, even 1 whm and 1 sch is not as good as just 2 whms. I am still trying to even find the reason why scholar was even made, was nothing wrong with just whm. Right now on another char i am lving sch and whm side by side, or rather will be (sch is 30 whm is 35), they both use same gear. Any tips to make scholar suck less compared to whms at 50? Even a friend of mine who is a i80 scholar feels they are pretty inferior to whm's in almost everyway, and he's pretty good at playing his class.

Go to healer forum, look at all the threads whm vs sch and post there if you want.

Strange that most people seem to find both classes a good balance but not you (reading the posts in the healer section)

If you want to heal like a whm play a whm. :rolleyes:

Hello, career scholar here. By Yoshi-P's own admission, the scholar was a class they added in at the last minute so there was a second healing job at endgame. It is a literal hodge-podge of abilities they stuck together. That said however, the class has generally been well-received.

I am not certain what problems your friend is having without knowing the specifics, but it might be a problem with gear. WHM and SCH have completely different ideal equipment sets. Where WHM build spellspeed , SCH want to build crit rate. If your friend is using WHM spellspeed gear (such as the major CT drops), they will not be getting the most out of it.

Anyway, to summarize the great debate in the healing section, SCH is the proactive mitigation healer while WHM is the reactive AoE healer. Consequentially, the timing and use for the spells is quite different. As a WHM, you want to time your casts so they finish casting right after an attack connects. For the SCH, you would ideally cast your spells a second before an attack connects.

Some things to keep in mind is that adloquium is not analogous to Cure 2. It is not a 600potency heal, but a 300pot heal and 300pot shield. I know it sounds obvious, but it makes the practice of casting it very different. For example, the ideal healing rotation is to use "adloquium" before a hit connects (this means overhealing or casting it on a full hp target before a big hit, which is a big difference from WHM practices). If a target takes a lot of damage, you can use lustrate, but it is also often enough that you can simply use Adloquium followed by Physick until your barrier disappears (1 or 2 hits). Succor has a similar relationship to medica. The result is that you will have to learn to preempt the monster's skill rotations to make the most use of your barriers.

Additionally, proper placement and macro control of the fairy is essential. The fairy does healing (as far as healing per second) greater than regeneration. To set it so yourfairy only casts embrace, remember to apply the "obey" command to it. Consider adding the cmd line to the start of your mo macros. Additionally, using macros to manually trigger eos' "whispering dawn" and "fey illumination". Creating a macro to use "rouse" followed by "whispering dawn" is a useful trick that approximates a "divine seal + regeneration". Apply "fey illumination" followed by the rouse+dawn combo to approximate medica 2.

Also a big portion of scholar mitigation play is in applying debuffs. You will have to apply debuffs such as "eye for an eye" (it is a buff that has a chance to apply a debuff to the enemy, which makes it doubly confusing and means you have to cast it well-ahead of the actual attack you want mitigated) and supervirus on the enemies before the attack hits. It is not a perfect match, but when used in conjunction with the galvanized buff provided by adloquium and succor, it should reduce the majority of damage to a manageable amount for your fairy and physick to heal.

As for unique skills, sacred soil is dubious at times, but is generally useful if you can cast it and then succor before the aoe hits. Lustrate however is very useful as it is a flat % heal. That means it ignores heal debuffs such as disease or Hydra's breath and heals its full amount. It is also your default emergency and instant heal, except it can be used more frequently than benediction.


Essentially, you are using barrier-providing spells like succor and adloquium to buy time for your fairy and physick to heal the damage you have mitigated. It works very well when done properly. However, I understand it is a mindset very foreign to WHM and takes some time to get used to. I hope that gives you some advice on how to improve your game with the scholar. I personally dislike the randomness of spellprocs brought on by the Cure series, but that is my own preference.

Have you tried 2 WHM in turn 4 and 5? Its very hard to do well. WHM does heal more powerfully but SCH is supposed to prevent damage. Adloquium is best used to top off prior to a large attack. Succor is to be used, again, to top off prior to an AoE. Also, a major component of SCH is controlling your pet and having the appropriate pet out. If there is a dps race and not much damage, use Selene. If its going to be damage heavy, use Eos. Lustrate is your baby.

Think about it. Benediciton (50 WHM) is a full heal every 5 mins.
3 Lustrates (50 SCH) is 75% every 1 minute.

TL;DR

Comparison of level 50 Job Skills:
WHM - 100% - 5 Minutes
SCH - 375% - 5 Minutes

SCH specializes in damage mitigation. Control your pet with Obey and anticipate damage.

Not sure but it is situational. Some runs or even Primals i found the sch was better then whm, nobody will ever agree what class is better, same goes for dps and tanks

Umm sch is fantastic if played and set up correctly, and sch and whm complement each other nicely in end game content so not sure where you are getting this from.

I was a WHM main in 1.0, and now I'm a SCH main (due to it being what my coil group needed) in 2.0. The way I see it, SCH makes the better tank healer, while WHM makes the better party healer.

The main reasons I consider SCH the better tank healer is being less prone to overhealing (Due to Adloquioum's galvanize effect), the massive bonus Adloquioum gets on a crit, and Lustrate being a better "oh shit" button than Benediction due to a lower cooldown.

In addition, SCH beings a few extra toys to the table like enhanced virus and Sacred Soil that help make things a lot easier. WHM may be the better party healer, but a Sacred Soil before Titan's stomps or during turn 2 enrage strategy does wonders for survivability.

In short, while double WHM may be better than double SCH, I firmly believe that having one of each is the best option of all.

Sch only sucks compared to whm if you try to play them in the same way. Sch's heals dont do as much as whm, but they add a shield that absorbs the same amount that it cured for, so really it's 'healing' for double of what it looks like. 2x sch isn't so great, because the shields don't stack, but thats where you can split up their focuses. If you keep in mind that sch is meant to be about damage prevention, between adloquium, sacred soil, and stoneskin if you have it, your party can take practically no damage.

Add to this it's amazing mp management and it can heal forever. Whm + Sch is a great combo, far better than 2 whm or 2 sch. It doesnt suck.

One thing I'll throw in as far as SCH utility. If you have time and there isn't a SMN in the party, throw out a shadow flare. It doesn't generate much hate but enemies within it are afflicted with an attack speed slow. This is great for reducing the frequency of incoming damage that needs to be healed.

Combined with Eye for an Eye, Virus, Sacred Soil, and the barriers from Adloquium and Succor, SCH is all about minimizing the incoming damage rather than reacting to the damage after the fact.

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One thing I'll throw in as far as SCH utility. If you have time and there isn't a SMN in the party, throw out a shadow flare. It doesn't generate much hate but enemies within it are afflicted with an attack speed slow. This is great for reducing the frequency of incoming damage that needs to be healed.

Combined with Eye for an Eye, Virus, Sacred Soil, and the barriers from Adloquium and Succor, SCH is all about minimizing the incoming damage rather than reacting to the damage after the fact.

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Small addendum to that: You can't have Sacred Soil and Shadow Flare up at the same time. However, Shadow Flare is still an excellent tool to throw up when you can't use Sacred Soil (Out of charges, or it's on cooldown), or if the tank is facing a swarm of mooks, where the damage may help as well.

As sch I've started adding fairy heals to both stoneskin and adloquium. A fully topped of tank with both on him before pulls in HM dungeons is pretty great. I take sch to roulette instead of whm ever since hitting 50.

You're doing it wrong... I run my FC with double SCH through T1-4 weekly... heals are fine. A note of, That Selene (skill/spell speed)!

I constantly hear White Mage's complain that they're under powered compared to SCH.
"What good is AoE heals when everyone is on point and never takes damage besides tank"

That's why whm still has damage cross skills ...to cover the boredom if no one is dying lolz

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That's why whm still has damage cross skills ...to cover the boredom if no one is dying lolz

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Which scholars are still better at. Holy Spam is higher DPS for all of like 8 seconds.

I do feel that the more people are geared up, the less mitigation is needed and the less scholar becomes effective. 2whm can do anything.

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Small addendum to that: You can't have Sacred Soil and Shadow Flare up at the same time. However, Shadow Flare is still an excellent tool to throw up when you can't use Sacred Soil (Out of charges, or it's on cooldown), or if the tank is facing a swarm of mooks, where the damage may help as well.

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True, but Sacred Soil only lasts 15s compared to Shadow Flare lasting 30s. I mainly use Sacred Soil to mitigate burst unavoidable damage (Titan's stomps or geocrush, all primals' ultimate moves) and use Shadow Flare for general purpose mitigation so I can save aetherflow charges for Lustrate.

Another thing you can do if there are two SCHs in a party is to have one throw up Shadow Flare while the other throws up Sacred Soil. It's a nice combo I think (But anyone can feel free to prove me wrong)

As others have said, SCH isn't a bad job. SCH is actually preferred in some instances because of their damage mitigation. As a WHM myself, the best setup in my opinion is to have a WHM and a SCH together because they compliment each others abilities. WHM cures for higher amounts and has a good AOE heals with Medica, Medica II (, and Cure III in some instances), as well as two heal over time spells to increase survivability of party members and allow us to more readily focus on the tanks with bigger cures.

SCH can put up damage mitigation on the entire party with Succor I believe, as well as a stronger one on single targets with Aldo (and crits put a very strong shield up). The fairies are also key to SCH healing prowess, you essentially have another healer casting cure/physic on party members, alleviating some stress on the healers in the group. Plus, depending on the pet, the party can get +spell/skill speed, regen, and a couple other buffs from the fairies.