How to optimize Healer DPS output for conflags?

As title states, I'm looking for tips on maximizing burst DPS on T5 conflags for both healer jobs.

I'm currently a SCH, and I'm doing something like:

-Pop cleric stanc
-Precast Shadowflare
-Use Selene's Spell Speed skill (we have two BLM under foe req)
-Instant cast Bio
-Spam Ruin and/or Ruin II

Is there anything else I can be doing to squeeze more dps out?

Also would like to see what WHM should be doing. I don't have any experience with it, but I'd like to give our WHM tips on DPS as well.

Thanks in advance.

You have the right idea for SCH. Also, depends if you have the DS timing aligned to allow the tank to hop into the conflags. Remember that SF is a 30s skill: It should always be up if you can manage it. SCH, SMN, and BRD are the few classes that can also hurt the conflags that they are in. For WHM, CS'd StoneII and Holy are your best bets: depending on how mana is managed. In the divebomb phase, ballad should be up to get the WHM ready for snakes.

The larger issue may just be you have horrible dps if you need to do anything.

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Originally Posted by Staris

The larger issue may just be you have horrible dps if you need to do anything.

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Unfortunately that's not something I have direct control over. I'd rather focus on seeing what I can do to improve myself and make sure i'm doing everything in my power to contribute before blaming other people.

WHM would be Cleric Stance+Stone 2 spam. Depending on the length of the conflags dotting them up might be slightly better, but if 40 WHM potency is the key between you killing fast conflags or not, your problem is either stacking too many folks for fireballs or your dps being undergeared/not skilled enough for the fight anyway.

I suppose the ultimate rotation for a 15 second conflag would be precast Cleric's + precast Holy, Aero 2, Stone II x 4, and Aero+Fluid Aura on the last GCD before it explodes.. Assuming perfect timing on the Holy, that's 1330-1355 potency (240 from Holy, 210 from full duration Aero 2, 170 x 4 = 680 from Stone II, 50 from the initial hit of Aero, 150 from Fluid Aura, and 25 more if the Aero gets a tick off before it explodes). It also burns a TON of mana and means the tank had better be IN the conflag, since you aren't healing him.

You can have your tanks hop into the conflag and have the healers DPS them but why do that when you can just keep healing the tanks while the tank DPS the conflags and do just as much damage to it?(or more if they have their 3rd combo hit built up)

It works out better if your tanks are the ones hitting the conflag.

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Originally Posted by Aureliami

You can have your tanks hop into the conflag and have the healers DPS them but why do that when you can just keep healing the tanks while the tank DPS the conflags and do just as much damage to it?(or more if they have their 3rd combo hit built up)

It works out better if your tanks are the ones hitting the conflag.

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WHM with cleric + stone 2 has higher potency than a PLD in shield oath doing RoH combo (we wouldn't want him in sword oath due to Death Sentence). MT outside of conflag also means heavy healing and debuff maintenance on tank from Death Sentence.

I save an aetherflow charge for Bane when I know a difficult Conflagration is coming up. Pre-cast Miasma and Bio II on Twintania, Bio when the blue icon appears. Bane as soon as the conflag pops.

The beauty of this is that you could cast the spells fairly early before the conflag icon appears, so you could potentially cast in between DS with plenty of buffer time before the next one lands.

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Originally Posted by YuriRamona

I save an aetherflow charge for Bane when I know a difficult Conflagration is coming up. Pre-cast Miasma and Bio II on Twintania, Bio when the blue icon appears. Bane as soon as the conflag pops.

The beauty of this is that you could cast the spells fairly early before the conflag icon appears, so you could potentially cast in between DS with plenty of buffer time before the next one lands.

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I had never even thought of that. Thanks!

Quick question on this though: Would the damage increase if I cleric right before Bane, or would I have to cleric on the initial casts on twintania to benefit from increased DOT?

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Originally Posted by YuriRamona

I save an aetherflow charge for Bane when I know a difficult Conflagration is coming up. Pre-cast Miasma and Bio II on Twintania, Bio when the blue icon appears. Bane as soon as the conflag pops.

The beauty of this is that you could cast the spells fairly early before the conflag icon appears, so you could potentially cast in between DS with plenty of buffer time before the next one lands.

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Basically what she said. As a summoner, I start refreshing dots on Twintania when I see the fireball that comes before Conflag, then all my DoTs are up and ready to go when the conflag spawns. The functionality is the same for scholar, except obviously you'll have to use Cleric Stance.

If dps is targeted by conflag fireball they should perhaps delay running in a little bit and dps the conflag.

You could try three person conflags if you have 2 pets.
Put both pets in the middle , then have the person with the marker run into the pets. Cast adloquium on the person before they are hit. Should survive if they have enough hp. Though if you are dps issues they are probably undergeared.

i belive that whm can use raging strikes, correct me if i am wrong

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Originally Posted by AldoVonAlexandros

i belive that whm can use raging strikes, correct me if i am wrong

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We wish we could! But WHM cross class abilities come from Thaumaturge and Arcanist.

White mage damage against the conflags is inconsistent unfortunately due to lack of Accuracy. But pre-casting Holy into a Fluid Aura, then Stone II repeatedly. I've watched all of these spells miss on a myriad of enemies in Coil and except for Fluid Aura, the MP loss of several missed spells sucks.

Edit: Accuracy wise, you may be able to push White Mage DPS further by using crafted i70 accessories and ensuring they are melded with Accuracy up to 12. If there was a left side armoury piece to adjust, it would be the belt, which may let you push Accuracy from "Accessories" to about 72. With HQ Stuffed Cabbage, should let you push another 21 Accuracy.

You'll have sacrificed some potential Mind, Piety and a little Vitality to allow an offensive option for Coil. Still not 100% accuracy without touching another Left-side piece.

But you probably won't be seeing double Holy on spider misses or Fluid Aura misses as much as me either (I just wanted to put out the fire, why?!!! *watches ally explode*).

I really wouldn't go out of my way to slot accuracy for turn 4/5 as a healer. If conflags aren't dying fast enough (or adds in turn 4), it's most likely an issue with the dps players in your group. They could be undergeared, they could have poor dps rotations, or they could just not be paying close enough attention when the conflags come.

Both of these things can be done without healer dps assistance, and while I'm not advocating a healer avoid dps'ing (I holy t4 adds and help when I can in t5 conflags), I don't think regearing yourself to pick up dps slack is a good idea.

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Originally Posted by Nichigo

Would the damage increase if I cleric right before Bane, or would I have to cleric on the initial casts on twintania to benefit from increased DOT?

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Cleric Stance + DoTs on target pre-casting Bane. You can drop out of Cleric Stance and Bane and the Cleric Stance DoT damage would transfer with it to the Conflag.