Cant compleat The Navel

Been doing The Navel so many times now i lost Count :confused:
I cant compleat the dang thing :mad:

Is it just me or is the dungeon really hard?
If it is me who suck at playing this dungeon can anyone give me advice to survive?

I have been googling looking up stratagy and been watching youtube videos so i know what to do but still i keep dieing! :(

Really need to compleat this stupid dungeon so i can get on with my main quest and get my summoner spell...

/kaja

There's two common reasons for dying in that fight:

Did you manage to kill the heart in time to avoid the huge attack Titan deals if it stays there too long? As soon as the Heart appears, it has to be top priority to take down.

And did you stay out of AoE areas? (Note: Most of the AoE damage areas in this fight are marked by lots of red glowing lava cracks in the ground rather than the usual solid reddish ground surface.)

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Oh, one other possibility. How's your gear? Like a lot of content, going in under-geared makes it far harder. Lots of problems can be solved just by getting a weapon or armor upgrade.

Do you know specifically what is killing you? What the poster above said is good advice though too.

I did this close to when the game launched, with a group of people who had no idea what to do, but with each death we said "Well, that's a new thing to do." It took us many, many wipes, and almost to out of time, but we stuck with it and did it. The most important thing is to avoid every bad thing on the ground, don't try to soak the damage and think the healer can save you, most are insta-kill or knock you off which kills you. Kill the heart as soon as you can when that phase starts or it's a wipe. That's all there really is to it, and learning by doing.

Zoom out and don't fight locked-on, for one. L1+Down on the left joystick if you are on a gamepad to zoom out.

If you are getting knocked off the arena, my advice is to watch Titan closely. He will very visibly turn around before marking the ground for Landslide, the move that will knock you back, and it will give you a good half-second or so to get out of the way.

Sorry forgot to add that i upgraded all my gear to match my level (39)

A few times we (random Group) got to the heart and did max dps on it but we died either because healer could not keep up or people got kicked off by line attack (including me) or he did the wipe AOE in the end.

Most of the time we die on the AOE and seeing the line attack to late to react in time...we talked alot about lag...

In general i had a feeling we allways was to low on dps or the healer did not heal in time.

"And did you stay out of AoE areas? (Note: Most of the AoE damage areas in this fight..."

Not sure what you mean by that...

When he jumps i saw on youtube that you can go to the edge and stand with one foot on the red line.
Which 50% of the time i get kicked off and fall.
If i go closer to the middle i get much dmg from when he lands.

Is the AOE jumping he does not dmg all over the ground?

/kaja

One group we all stayed until the time ran out.
But most of the time people stay for a few wipes and then either tank or healer leaves the group and i am to sit and wait 1½+ hour for the next group.


In a few groups i also tryed to assist on healing witch allways ended with me got the line attack because i could not heal people and look after my self.

/Kaja

Rabbitzero No nothing speciific varrious things everytime

Estellois thanks i will try look at him more next time

/kaja

Don't keep any feet on the line. Just stand as close to it as possible but NOT on it or you WILL get knocked off the edge. Your healer should be healing you back up quickly after he jumps.

edit: Also, my advice for Landslide; If you get stuck in it, run to the middle of the arena so it will be harder to actually fall off the side. Just keep moving forward.

Jabbywocks okey i will try that

/kaja

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Originally Posted by Kaja1974

In a few groups i also tryed to assist on healing witch allways ended with me got the line attack because i could not heal people and look after my self.

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Regardless of anything else, your #1 priority, all the time, is to not get hit by Landslide (the big line attack) or Weight of the Land (Pulsing Circle AOEs). Don't ever try to finish any spell if you're in those. Just run, immediately.

If you're not getting hit with avoidable damage, and you're doing as much DPS as you can, especially on the heart and Gaols, it's down to the rest of your party. If you're using Duty Finder, you'll just have to wait until you get a group that can all also not get hit and keep up with both DPS and heals. You might have better luck finding people on your server to help.

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Originally Posted by Kaja1974

"And did you stay out of AoE areas? (Note: Most of the AoE damage areas in this fight..."

Not sure what you mean by that...

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Before Navel, you can pretty much stand in most area of effect attacks, and the healer could save you. I've seen too many people use that tactic, and then not realize Titan will one shot with those. You really have to get out of them as soon as possible, though lots of people seem to get hit with latency issues, and think they will be out, but still get hit.

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If i go closer to the middle i get much dmg from when he lands.

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Yeah, you want to be "in", but not on the line. You will take damage, but survive. If you are too close to the center, too much damage, over the line, knocked out.

One trick I read elsewhere on the forums to help with Landslide (and other avoidable AOEs) is to start an action as soon as you are out of the AOE. This forces your client to update your position on the server so you are less likely to get a "lag hit".

Honestly it sounds like the groups you are getting is the major issue... You need to either get an FC (free company)... Or start a party finder and see if some upper level people will join... That titan has no lag compared to the hm titan so if people are complaining about lag now its gonna get way worst for them... Personally practice make perfect so keep practicing and know rotations and where to move when the happen... Panning out is a must L1 Right analog on ps3 or page down on cpu... Other than that everything is up to execution if people cant dodge then your healer is going to get over worked and run out of mp... So make sure people know the rotations and get out of the way...

When I notice I have lag issues, I try to avoid his line aoe by running diagonally towards the center of the arena or toward titan, depending on where i'm currently standing. I've found that in helps so even if I get hit and knocked back, it pushes me to the edge but not off it.

Before you try and complete something I would always recommend doing research. Watch a youtube video on it, see how they complete it. There are also guides by Mr.Happy on youtube for every fight. Goodluck:)

I'm stalled at the same point, although I don't have as many attempts. For us, the jump up in the air attack we figured out pretty quick. What keeps nailing us is the directional AOE that knocks people off. I don't know if it's lag or what, but that's a killer. One time, we were down to one DPS and I thought he might just pull it off for us... but sadly no.

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I'm stalled at the same point, although I don't have as many attempts. For us, the jump up in the air attack we figured out pretty quick. What keeps nailing us is the directional AOE that knocks people off. I don't know if it's lag or what, but that's a killer. One time, we were down to one DPS and I thought he might just pull it off for us... but sadly no.

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It's only lag if you are outside of the AoE area on your screen when it disappears and you still get hit.
That said: Landslide (the line attack that pushes you off) is pretty easy to avoid by sidestepping. And as someone already said: getting out of AoEs is top priority against titan, forget damage, forget healing, just get out of it.

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Originally Posted by Ed_N_Ants

Honestly it sounds like the groups you are getting is the major issue

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This. Some groups make battles really hard.

The first time I did Titan and Garuda with the DF, we failed for the entire 90 minutes. With a different group, we beat him/her on the first attempt. It's quite a strange experience to be completely torn apart in one instance and have no trouble whatsoever in the next.

If you can, try to queue with an experienced tank. It makes a huge difference.

Good luck!

Killing Titan's Heart is a dps check... hit it as hard as you can, as quickly as you can. :) Titan in general though is a lag/latency check... if you (and ESPECIALLY if your whole party) has trouble with lag and disconnects, you will have a hard time with this fight. Like others have said:

Tumult - gonna hit everyone no matter what. Healers need to watch for this.
Titan jumps - run for the red ring around the edge. Stand just inside it.
Landslide - that airplane landing strip looking thing. It will push you off if you are caught by it. Run away immediately or run for the center of the platform if you think you may be hit by it. If you are hit by it, it will hurt.
Stone Gaol - Get them out of there. Watch for aoe.
Weight of the Land - Will show up under a couple people. Be psychic and run. You can take the hit from one, but not more than one.
After the heart is shattered, you WILL get hit. Hard. Healers be ready for it.

When in doubt, stop casting and move. When not casting, move. See aoe? Moving > casting.

It's all about movement. I pull the camera far back so I can see the entire field. I've tanked, healed and DPSd this fight. It's all about keeping an eye on what's under your feet and moving. Above all else, MOVE!

Also, I've found SCH extremely useful for this fight. If the SCH gets caught in Gaol, the faerie can still heal. Which is awesome. If a group needs a healer, I always go SCH over WHM.

I've done Titan twice now where one DPS has gotten knocked off early and we've finished the fight with just 3. If everyone can avoid landslide, the tank has enough defense to take a beating, and even 1 good DPS can not get knocked off, that's the recipe.

The most trouble I had on this fight was with dps not breaking the gaol when it traps a player. It must be targeted and killed ASAP.

Yeah i have had a hard time on this battle as well. His stomps alone take a good chunk of my health and since it is followed by his attack were you need to be near the edge often if i get no heals, well = me dead. Currently my char. lvl is 60, some have said i should actually be full dl. Also while zoomed out view is more or less a must, at times i thought i was just ahead of the red barrier but got knocked off so i guess i was not.