I posted this in my Rage Thread, but I figured most people are now ignoring it. I ignore rage threads too so I understand. But this is just a cosmetic idea that would fix some of my issues with the proposed Job system.
LOL IDEA TIME
And it comes right from Final Fantasy Tactics.
Once you hit Rank 50 on a Weapon Class (Example: Gladiator) You can buy a Class Trait with Guild Points. (Gladiator: Use: Swords, Marauder: Use Axes, Lancer: Use: Lances etc.)
Now you go play lancer and You get lancer to rank 30 and unlock Dragoon.
While Dragoon is assigned and you are in job mode, you have the option of equipping the Class Trait "Use: Weapon" Because you unlocked it on Gladiator you can now Equip "Use: Swords" and equip a sword, while a Dragoon.
Now Dragoon can equip Swords but is still considered a Lancer Dragoon. They Still have all the Lancer only skills, all the Dragoon Only skills, all the stats and bonuses of the Lancer. Etc. But you show as using a Sword as that is your favorite weapon.
Oh hey now they can equip shields too if they have "Use: Shields" from Sentinal.
For all other intensive perposes you play the Class like it was designed for stats and skills, but you get the illusion of using the weapon you want.
Oh Hey.
Conjurer Equips White Mage and Use: Swords
I'm a Red Mage now. lol.
I think I just snapped.
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06-18-2011, 05:02 AMCairdeasThis Idea would make me happy with the Job System (FFT Traits)
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06-18-2011, 05:06 AMRuri
{Thanks for the offer, but I'll have to pass} on this idea.
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06-18-2011, 05:08 AMZantetsuken
FFT had a fantastic job and growth system.
It really would have been the perfect model for this game...
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06-18-2011, 05:08 AMRuri
However I like in FFT where jobs would get unlocked when you reach certain levels in multiple classes like lvl 4 THF, lvl 4 MNK, LVL 4 WAR (or something along those lines) would unlock the NIN job.
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06-18-2011, 05:09 AMCairdeasNinja was like level 8 in 4 jobs IIRC. It was obsurd, but then again it and Mimic were the most OP Jobs in T.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruri
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06-18-2011, 05:11 AMZantetsukenI proposed this exact idea here. It would have been a perfect replacement for the armory system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruri
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06-18-2011, 05:11 AMRuriBeen awhile since I played, but I liked having new jobs pop up as you level different classes. Gives you a reason to try every class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cairdeas
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06-18-2011, 05:13 AMCairdeasAll I remember is the most fun I had was an army of white mages with Equip: Axe running around axing people questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruri
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06-18-2011, 05:16 AMRuriI'll read it over, looks pretty detailed :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zantetsuken
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06-18-2011, 05:22 AMViridianaNinja didn't require level 8 anything. o_OQuote:
Originally Posted by Cairdeas
You needed 2 Squire, 2 Knight, 3-4 Archer, 4-5 Thief, 4-5 Monk, and I wanna say 3 Geomancer. . . And really, the Squire and Knight are just to unlock Archer. >_>
ETA: From the FAQs: Lv. 3 Archer, Lv. 4 Thief, Lv. 2 Geomancer
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06-18-2011, 05:23 AMCairdeas
oops I may have gotten one of the other FFT games confused my bad, Yeah it is 234 for the jobs needed for ninja.
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06-18-2011, 05:24 AMRuri
All this FFT talk makes me want to whip out my game again...
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06-18-2011, 05:24 AMCairdeasI'm already planning to hit up FFT tonight on my PS3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruri
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06-18-2011, 05:26 AMRuri
Such an awesome game :)
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06-18-2011, 05:59 AMCairdeas
1 Like, Mission Complete.
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06-18-2011, 06:54 AMRydin
Cairdeas... You have been a man on a mission... SO I have to ask.... What combination of Class, Weapon and Job do you want that has driven you so insane?
You wanna be a sceptre wielding Gladiator Monk?
Or is it a Cesti armed Lancer White mage?
Maybe a Miner Dragoon using a needle???? -
06-18-2011, 06:57 AMRuriLol best class ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rydin
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06-18-2011, 07:20 AMAlexiaKidd
So I thought I would post this here as I thought another thread dealing with idea's for the job system would not go down so well.
Anyway here are my idea's of how I would like the Job system to play out, it's not ideal as for me I would like a complete rebuild but this idea uses the idea of the Job and Class system.
I suppose the easiest way to describe my idea would be to think of it as the Job/Sub Job system present in FFXI but instead it would be Job/Class with Class being a sub job of sorts but there are a few tricks in here that would be new.
Firstly when you do not have a Job selected ie PLD, BLM, WHM and so on your Job is ADV (Adventurer). So when you start the game your Job is ADV and ADV is a vanilla class that allows your to cross class like you do now but has no special bonus traits that other Jobs have. When your ADV ranks up you get stats to assign how you wish just like other like the other Jobs so you can build your custom Job for soloing as you can now. Again this would use the system we have now only EXP would be used to Level up your ADV Job and SP would be for your Class.
Now for the other Jobs, for arguments sake lets say at Level 30 you can unlock Jobs for the Classes. So we rank up our GLA to level 30 and unlock PLD. Now PLD as a Job comes with certain traits, spells and skills. For example:
PLD Traits - Defence Bonus 1, Undead Killer 1, Resist Sleep 1, Shield Mastery 1 (Auto Guard)
PLD Skills - Invincible (2hr), Rampart, Phalanx, Provoke, Aegis Boon, Shield Bash, Cover.
PLD Spells - Cure, Protect, Shell, Banish, Flash, Holy.
The PLD will unlock new traits, spells and skills as by completing quests. To unlock these quests you will have to reach a certain Level with GLA so in essence your PLD Level is tied to your GLA level. So if my GLA is Level 50 my PLD is also Level 50 and I can undertake whatever quests I have unlocked to gain new/upgraded traits, spells and skills.
Now for the science bit ^^
If I have my job set as PLD and my class as GLA, I will have access to all my GLA skills and weapon skills as well and any that crossover will receive a boost. So like Provoke could have a shortened recast time and increase the Enmity generated, things like that.
However, if I were to equip a Lance I would then be PLD/LNC, I would no longer have access to those extra GLA skills and weapon skills but all of my PLD traits, spells and skills would remain. I would however have access to LNC skills and abilities. If I was a Level 50 PLD but my LNC was only Level 20 then I would still be as tough stat wise as a Level 50 PLD but if I were to fight a Level 50 Mob I would miss a lot and do little DMG as my LNC skill is so low.
If however I do go out and fight lower Mobs and kill them I will receive SP for my LNC to Level up but not EXP for my PLD as that is tied to GLA.
Using the affinity system they could allow you to unlock higher affinity with a Lance and eventually allow you to turn into a capable PLD/LNC though as a tank you would still be better as a PLD/GLA for sure but at least this would allow you to use PLD/LNC even if it is situational.
I would prefer it if the system was more flexible like this, while the Job is tied to the Class it is not limited to the class. I realise based on the info we have been given so far though that a system like this has very little chance of being implemented but I hope it does have some degree of flexibility as I really, really, really do not like the idea of being tied to a certain weapon on my Job forever. -
06-18-2011, 07:34 AMBalbanesAgreed! Says the dude with an FFT username.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zantetsuken
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06-18-2011, 07:36 AMBalbanes
Although, I do think its a safe bet that at this point, the job system already is what it's going to be. They're probably just fine tuning at this point.
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06-18-2011, 06:52 PMCairdeasActually to be honest, I want to recreate my simplest of job choices in FFXI which was War/Thief.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rydin
I don't see that being a specialty for Marauder once the jobs come for it. SE might surprise me, but I doubt it. -
06-18-2011, 11:36 PMRydinI agree with you... I just don't think it should be completely open ended, rather, A Job isn't locked to a single class, but can't be every class either....Quote:
Originally Posted by Cairdeas
Like thief would be glad, Pug, Archer or Marauder
BLM could be Thaum OR Conj
And so forth... I'd accept if a black mage couldn't use a lance or bow... some limitations I would agree with -
06-19-2011, 03:00 AMCairdeasWhat about Scythes? Or Daggers?, or Meaty Blunt Warclubs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rydin
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06-19-2011, 03:04 AMRydinQuote:
Originally Posted by Cairdeas
I've actually always wanted a melee class that had even halfway decent debuffs or attack magic... Even the ability to add magic attacks to your weapon would be cool...
I'd like to see off hand weapons though... Like any 1 handed weapon class could throw on a dagger with it