iLVL for penta melded 2 star accessaries

I find myself often locked out of PF thanks to my low iLVL accessaries and my glove piece even though I am very capable of BC Turn 1 - 4 (5th turn I haven't tried yet)...

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/2835534/

I hope SE plans to adjust iLVL of a crafted item depending on the melds and HQ status, because I honestly think my accessaries are BiS, or at least iLVL90 equivalent. (though my glove piece and leg+feet pieces need upgrade, to allagan... which I haven't been lucky enough to see them drop)

I could easily settle for Myth items for the rest of my gear slots which are hardly BiS just to achieve higher avg iLVL - but that seems counter intuitive as iLVL != BiS.

What are your thoughts on this?

Or you can send a tell to the party finder leader and tell them you got crafted accessories? Automatic system is not gonna be able to tell how good your melds are or how it is relevant.

Well, that's kind of what I have been doing. But I think increasing iLVL depending on HQ and the level of materia melded shouldn't be too difficult to implement (and it makes sense to implement it IMHO). Something along the line of HQ = iLVL+5 and materia IV = iLVL + 2 so on.
I'm asked about my iLVL often enough that I have grown tired of having to explain that I have melded accs...

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Originally Posted by Lemon8or

Or you can send a tell to the party finder leader and tell them you got crafted accessories? Automatic system is not gonna be able to tell how good your melds are or how it is relevant.

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MM, I could also join a party as ilevel 90 with full Mythology left side, and healer right side. That flaw is exploitable with the current system too. It always boils down to trusting your party members aren't switching to derp gear.

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I could easily settle for Myth items for the rest of my gear slots which are hardly BiS just to achieve higher avg iLVL - but that seems counter intuitive as iLVL != BiS.

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Ultimately, you could buy (or now, just farm) higher iLevel items, and then just use those items to join the PF, then swap to BiS.

The problem with penta-melded i70 is they have less, sometimes a lot less, of your job's primary attribute...which can hamper your ability. No crafted i70 are BiS for that reason. At most, they can be considered i75...but at the same time, compare Moogle weapons to Garuda to see the difference between i70 and i75. The Moogles have more damage and primary attributes, which is the big factor in the ilv increase (yes, they have more secondary attributes too, but that's also part of the ilv increase and not really as important as increasing STR or VIT).
Since you can throw any materia, no matter how useless, on a crafted/meldable item, you can't increase the ilv just because something is melded. What if I penta-melded something with resistance materia to bump its ilv...would you consider me better or worse for "wasting" the item?


You also have i55 gauntlets...that really need replacing...

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Originally Posted by PArcher

No crafted i70 are BiS for that reason. At most, they can be considered i75...

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I disagree. People seem to underestimate the importance of having determination.

From what I've researched and experienced first hand, primary stats for Warrior is VIT and DET > parry > rest. And I have them covered all nicely while having 481 raw acc. Having higher HP pool is nice but I do believe damage mitigation (parry + dex + str) + determination outweighs the difference.

For my gauntlets, if you compare stats between DL piece and Myth piece, there is really no real incentive to switch to those for me. Heavy Allagan Gauntlet is the real upgrade though and I continue to run BC in hopes one day I will see it drop.

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Originally Posted by Shujinkou

From what I've researched and experienced first hand, primary stats for Warrior is VIT and DET > parry > rest. And I have them covered all nicely while having 481 raw acc. Having higher HP pool is nice but I do believe damage mitigation (parry + dex + str) + determination outweighs the difference.

For my gauntlets, if you compare stats between DL piece and Myth piece, there is really no real incentive to switch to those for me. Heavy Allagan Gauntlet is the real upgrade though and I continue to run BC in hopes one day I will see it drop.

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All that parry and damage mitigation simply give you more effective hit points. Real hit points also count as effective hit points. Have you actually done the math to see which setup provides more effective hit points? I'd personally side with the i90 gear.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

All that parry and damage mitigation simply give you more effective hit points. Real hit points also count as effective hit points. Have you actually done the math to see which setup provides more effective hit points? I'd personally side with the i90 gear.

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Well Determination also gives me higher healing potency.
If you look back prior to patch 2.1, warriors were suffering because we only had higher HP pool but no damage mitigation. For that exact same reason, I will take higher damage mitigation over slightly higher HP pool any day.

I know you cannot automatically enter, but when most of those parties setup the Ilvl minimum (typically 80) it is to keep the all darklight including darklight weapon people out. However if you message the one who created the party finder, they can check you and determine if they would let you join.

I know in my case I would quick glance at your gear and my eyes would go straight to you hands and say no you need to gear up. I understand they are pentamelded but those hands really stand out as subpar. That is on quick glance without checking your materia.

It may seriously be a thought to do some CT to get the hands replaced.

As far as increasing Ilvl I would have to say no. There are too many variances of what people could put into the gear and people would abuse it causing me to have to kick members before we even get started. Until you do an upgrade to the rest of the gear (not including the accessories). You are going to have to ask.
You can still have Ilvl80 with those accessories (I am Ilvl 80 using those plus a Vanya hand and CT body) for my WHM.

Please replace the hands, they stand out so bad many leaders that check you will say no before even exploring your gear just by seeing those hands, they are the 1st thing I noticed and stick out like sore thumb.

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Originally Posted by Shujinkou

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With the tank buffs now, having extra STR over next "tier" is useless, unless you're going for a DPS-OT build. DET is similarly useless as an MT, since just using your normal aggro rotation is more than enough to keep hate (especially as a WAR with Unchained and Berserk for the initial grab); DET also has no mitigation value at all (that healing thing in the description? That's for healers...healers heal more with DET, just like you do more damage with DET. The effect is NOT similar to Defiance; your DET does not increase healing effects on you). DEX's worth is still being figured out last I know (still can't find any hard numbers for DEX as a tank) so it may or may not do anything.


Parry is your most important secondary attribute, hands down. You are a tank, you need to survive. Parry is damage mitigation, something you *need*. The only time to not prioritize it is if you are going for and OT-DPS build...


I personally would take the Myth gloves for a WAR over the Allagan anyday. Parry is way more important than DET to a tank. If you still insist on the Allagan, then at least buy the DL, or make Darksteel; you're just gimping yourself otherwise.

I've been on the fence with this as well. I have a quad melded vanya robe for my blm with +26 crit in the materia slots. I am currently trying to upgrade to the Crimson Robe from CT. Reason being, it has more crit without melds, +5 int and vitality more, and slightly less accuracy that I can do without.

Now, the issue is the DET loss. I lose I think 15? Maybe 18, can't remember atm. Either way, from what I understand about DET (the theorycrafting) is it takes +7 DET to equal 1 of your class' primary stat which is INT in my case. So really, while my Vanya robe is nice and I have the extra DET there, I believe I benefit more getting the Crimson Robe. More int overall (even without to DET) plus more crit.

Even if I wanted to pentameld it, I don't think it would be worth it. Wasting all that gil on materia for a couple points extra at the cheapest route. Not enough of an upgrade for the time/gil spent. I'd rather just get the Crimson Robe and be done with it. Easier to get to.

Thanks for feed backs all. I will reconsider my choice of gear... I guess can always use those accessories for my monk so they are not a total waste :)

I dont have a parser, but as a bard, i've noticed if i wear my cheap ilvl 90 set (garuda ring, myth neck, allegan wrist), and i swapped out my penta melded ear / neck / ring (8 det, 12 crit, 9 dex), each shot i make deals very similar damage in numbers, and since i have same crit rate, i doubt the chance of critical will differ...

So i guess if you have a penta melded capped 2 star accesories, a lot of cases its just as good as an ilvl 90

So I guess the Penta Melded Vanya Robe I bought for 350k the other day isn't worth it :( It had +16 Acc and +6 Piety for BLM. The good news is I can dye it.

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Originally Posted by Shujinkou

Thanks for feed backs all. I will reconsider my choice of gear... I guess can always use those accessories for my monk so they are not a total waste :)

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Also, I know it's probably a tough decision for you because of all the money, farming, and rng you had to go through to get that gear. I know I'd have a hard time letting to of it, but I honestly think you are gimping yourself at least with the gloves. The accessories.....eh hard to say, I'd keep those and replace them with myth accessories instead of Darklight.

Have to remember as well, Warrior is a high HP tank. SCH's love healing high HP tanks :D. If a paladin has more HP than you, there is something wrong. Unless they are geared out of course. Even then, I saw an i90 pld was barely under 7K HP with party buff. To a warrior that's very easy to accomplish even with all i70 gear.

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Originally Posted by Timethiuas

So I guess the Penta Melded Vanya Robe I bought for 350k the other day isn't worth it :( It had +16 Acc and +6 Piety for BLM. The good news is I can dye it.

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If you need the accuracy, then I'd say it's worth it, but if not, I honk it's a waste. Before CT came out it was BiS IMO until you got myth gear or coil gear. With the introduction of CT stuff....the CT gear is typically better for main slots. If you are going to meld anything, do it for a class you don't play often and don't plan to gear out soon, or only meld accessories.

Main slots should mainly be dungeon drops IMO. As the stats are overal better i80 and higher than any crafted + melded gear. Easier to obtain and cheap as hell too (technically free) just have to fight rng for it.

This is all my opinion, I do not number crunch like a theorycrafter, but I do try to count stats and my calculations and decent knowledge of what secondary stats that matter to the jobs I play, I believe the i80+ gear is better in main slot than melded gear regardless of what melds you put into it.

EHP is very important, to a point. But you do reach a point where you don't really *need* more EHP, and dealing more damage is actually worth consideration. At this point, pentamelded gryphonskin is what you want, moreso than allagan/hero's.

Edit: Obviously, I'm talking about accessories, not armor.

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Originally Posted by RowanLauron

The accessories.....eh hard to say, I'd keep those and replace them with myth accessories instead of Darklight.

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My Healers have 3 crafted 2*s; Astral Ring (5 melds), Rose Gold Earrings (5 melds) and Astral Bracelet (4 melds...last VIT3 just doesn't like me). Those are the things I want to replace last because they are better than DL...but if I get the Earrings, Bracelet (Myth are better, though) or Ring out of Coil...I won't hesitate to replace.

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Originally Posted by RowanLauron

Have to remember as well, Warrior is a high HP tank. SCH's love healing high HP tanks :D. If a paladin has more HP than you, there is something wrong. Unless they are geared out of course. Even then, I saw an i90 pld was barely under 7K HP with party buff. To a warrior that's very easy to accomplish even with all i70 gear.

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Except PLD have a natural 20% DR in Shield Oath...so add ~20% HP to them with it on for comparison.

I've recently ran into this problem. My 5meld accessories actually have more total stats than some of the ilvl90 accessories, sometimes an even higher ratio of useful stats.