Tanking CT

I just hit 50 with my warrior got the first armor and got lucky in dropping ifrit's axe from 2nd run but here's my problem.

Yesterday i did my first run on CT ( i didnt have any experience on tanking there) i informed my party about it and yet no one explained on what i should do so i screwed up on behemoth by aggroing the boss unwillingly ( it was more like ninja-pull cuz i lagged and gone straight to the boss lol ) and got flamed by the whole alliance. No one really cared to tell me from my party what to do in this boss just "take a tower" nor they did in the previous ones so i was more than useless.

But here's my question, it seems like ALL tanks should make research on the raids/dungeons after 50 otherwise wipe is sure? Also, regarding CT every monday all robots gather for their items and don't give a damn about explaining the instance?

P.S: Anyone experienced lag issues on CT?

Well to be honest if you fly into anything "blind" you should expect to wipe when going up against content you KNOW is going to be different, or difficult. I'm not saying that your lack of research was at fault, nor am I saying that your a bad tank for not adapting. If you had stated that you were new I believe someone in the party should have informed you about what you should be doing, or what not to do. As far as Ninja pulling King Behemoth... well lag will be lag and flamers will be flamers.

I can't speak on the behalf of other players, "robots", but I would just chalk it up to getting into a lousy group that wasn't willing to take 15 min out of their grind to help a new tank. It's sad but it happens.

and yes, I have experienced lag while in Crystal Tower, but with 24 People in a single instance that's bound to happen, in my opinion.

Hope this helps. Keep the faith.

Its not needed to research every single raid/dungeon before actualy doing it. But you should realise that if people need to explain it to 1 person. The other 23 people will be forced to wait for you. Some people dont realy care that much, but you always have those that will moan for the slightest inconvenience. Personaly, i dont care if someone is new, but with the current way people run CT i do think you should atleast read a guide before attemting it. Especialy if you're a tank.

About the other lvl 50 dungeons. If you use the duty finder and tell them at the start that you are new. Some people will actualy leave. DO NOT be discouraged by it. If you do find it anoying, either read a guide or just do the dungeon with friends/fc.

Cant say much about lag issues.

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I think it is important to at least watch a video of the encounters prior to attempting to tank. A video isn't going to really give you all the info but it'll at least make you familiar with what people are doing. Normally, tanks are a vital role in boss encounters so it's important that we know what we're doing.

In regards to CT, yeah we're really not that important. Geared DPS could do our job for the most part.

But, even if you didn't and said "Guys i'm new can you help me with what i'm supposed to do" then they really should have. Don't be afraid to ask if someone has mumble or vent or some voice chat system that you can log into. Much easier to explain over voice chat then typing.

And overall, don't get discouraged. It took me 1-2 times to get comfortable in there and I'm still learning some of the random mechanics that go on. You'll never pick it all up first try.

Not much to know as a tank. What usually goes on is this:

Beginning trash : Group A is usually left, B middle, C on the right. Progress through the sets of trash. Two tanks keep the anatoba looking mobs facing away from the groups while the other tanks grab the elementals. Second trash wave is much the same. A tank from each group grabs the bigger demon looking thing while the other tanks try to grab the imps. Final trash phase is grabbin the Eyes and the Succubi.

Bone dragon : One tank tries to main tank while at least one (or more) attempt to steal emnity. Other tanks fight each other for the skeleton mobs causing them to die precariously close to the boss or near each other. What should happen is one tank on the dragon facing him away from every one else. The other tanks should drag skeletons towards the back of each platform column (ideally one skeleton per column or at have at least one square's worth of seperation). Off tanks grab the eye minions when they spawn.

Atomos Mini Boss : Group A left, B middle, C to the right. Depends on the group...sometimes if dps is high I'll grab all the trash Atmos summons while the other tank helps "dps" Atomos. If dps is low, tanks will rotate on trash spawns. Just be mindful you'll need to drag the trash within range of where your other group members are standing the circle platform.

Thanatos : Tanks fight each other for Thanatos. Sometimes they'll grab the succubui' attention.

Bomb/Gargoyle Mini Boss : A tank from each group grabs a gargoyle and more or less tanks them where they stand until forced to move by AoE. The other tanks try to grab bombs/napalm adds and "dps".

Behemoth : Hopefully by now the tanks are done fighting each other. One tanks behemoth, one tanks the iron giants, the other tanks click on lightning towers. Behemoth tank still needs to hide behind a comet when metor is summoned like everyone else. The iron giant tank needs to be some what quick picking him up. The lightning tower tanks just need to keep clicking the tower and hope they don't fall asleep.

Bacon Weave Boss : Tanks like to fight each other for emnity here (nothing else to do). Each tanks the iron giants that are in the circle of power (for lack of better words on my part). There's little to fight but flashy AoE moves by the boss. Watch for iron hands to spawn. That's an indication you need to run to your circle of power. Kill the hand, be ready for the iron giant that spawns...then back to the boss.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lBqmBFosfk

Since you've already experienced it once, it'd be helpful just to watch that. Shows off the mechanics of each of the pulls/fights.

For 50 dungeons/raids/bosses/etc, you'll want to be the one who knows how everything works. People will always expect the tank to lead the group, so you have to know where you're going. If something is completely new (IE day 1 Pharos Sirius) you'll obviously have to go in yourself and find out the mechanics on your own, but otherwise it helps to watch a video and find out the jist of it before heading knee deep inside.

Also, if you haven't experienced bad tanks yourself, then prepare to see a bunch of them when grinding out CT. Apparently every other tank just LOVES the Provoke button.

CT is easy enough as a new player. Zone in, follow instructions, easy peasy. It's not that bad, with 5 other tanks in there you won't have to do that much.

Just don't plan on tanking much. I'm sure there will be some "i90 tanks" in DL with one Allagan item, probably the chest, who would love to provoke everything off of your so they can tail swipe the raid. Lol...

Crystal Tower has become pretty bad as far as explanations go (no one takes the time to give them anymore), so I still try to give as much explanation as possible before we get to the boss,as we're fighting the adds before or during looting.

The fights really are easy though, so looking up a strat to give you an idea of what's going on and then doing it in game should solidify your understanding of the fights.

Having said that though, I have yet to wipe on a fight where I took 10-20 seconds to go over the basics, but have wiped several times on "run and gun" type runs.

Don't be afraid to speak up and ask for a quick explanation, most people would rather take ~20 seconds to do a quick explanation than deal with a possible wipe.

should do a lil research b4 u do anything if available, its been out for 4 weeks now, bound to be videos.
i was in it on day 1 with a full alliance that only some ppl knew bone drg strat so it made it fun trying to figure it out
i dont get any lag in CT tho, i noticed some tanks that are trying to pull adds might be getting it cause i was brd for brd body this week and was just watching the adds sit for a good 4-5s with no act from the tanks (bone drg for instance), i started pulling them to spots as brd
happens at giants too, running around another 4-5s destroying our comets b4 i see some act from the tank put on it, i cant pull these tho.. just dodge its cleave as it runs around lol

war is fun in CT tho, i play it as a hybrid DPS swapping vit and str accessories depending
everything up to bone drg i can str tank, then when we get to pulling skeles/eyes or if im mt swap to my vit
last nite my friend was pld for his tank body drop so he solo'd pulled everything at atomos and i went dps again with the 2 mnks we picked up in df
back to vit for the pot fight since i was picking up maids and mt when we had ghost buff
back to str for demon fight, let pld mt and i called out balloons/napalms
vit for kb since i was tanking giants, keep vit on for tower switch too just for higher hp
and str for final boss since we had a allagan body war wanting to mt everything lol

Tanking CT isn't that bad. Like Krazyrs, I've been doing it since day 1(with lots of wipes and figuring stuff out). The only part that I find tanks mess up on aside from the Skeletons and the Bone Dragon is on King Behemoth and the Iron Giants. Most main tanks keep Behemoth at the 12 o'clock position and then the offtank usually drags the first iron giant off to one of the other sides. The problem here is that while holding Behemoth at 12 prevents him from breaking towers and comets, dragging the first Iron Giant off the 12 o clock position usually results in a bunch of comets being damaged or destroyed. Typically, when I'm at Behemoth, I usually get the main tank to hold Behemoth at the 9 o'clock position which is still a safe zone and then tank the Iron Giants in place where they spawn at 12, 3 and 6 o'clock positions for the 1st, 2nd and 3rd spawns.

Just tell 'em it's your first time, assume the OT position and watch what everyone else is doing. Usually the other tank will give you the quick and dirty per boss so you're not taking up a lot of time and you get the gist of where you need to be.

I ran into CT n00b as Hell and figured it was like every other dungeon out there... If you're not main, you grab adds. Turned out I was basically right. I learned little nuances with each run, but for starting out, I just felt my way through. Research and videos help but none of that compares to actual experience. There's no dps race in here so take your time, watch and learn and don't be afraid to ask questions

I'm having the worse time holding aggro if I MT. I don't know if tanks from other alliances are using emity moves or what. What can I do to hold hate better or is it just a CT thing? Using a war btw.

From the chatter from my FC tanks it just sounds like everyone is using their enmity rotations and riding the main tanks ass on aggro. One of my FC tanks, PLD, kept hate from a WAR so he was pretty proud of that.

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Originally Posted by RoughDivider

From the chatter from my FC tanks it just sounds like everyone is using their enmity rotations and riding the main tanks ass on aggro. One of my FC tanks, PLD, kept hate from a WAR so he was pretty proud of that.

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I have my animations effects off so I can't tell when other tanks are pulling off there moves. Its discouraging tanking when I feel I can't even hold hate. I'm not trying to tank behe or anything.

Tanks should know every encounter they go into before doing it. Set the example. No one should go blindly into something. Takes a matter of 5 minutes to watch a video guide on youtube. If you can't spare 5 minutes you shouldn't be playing MMOs.

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Originally Posted by NyssaElf

I'm having the worse time holding aggro if I MT. I don't know if tanks from other alliances are using emity moves or what. What can I do to hold hate better or is it just a CT thing? Using a war btw.

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yea one of the other tanks will finish, come over and provoke yours... rather then help u out with say storms path/eye combos, as WAR i can just do enmity combo > overpower and get it right back tho and save my provoke lol
plus the shield oath > sword oath bug hopefully being fixed right now...

I've "tanked" CT several times now and I don't think I've actually used Defiance at all except on my first run. You really only need 1 tank per alliance and the other tanks are always arguing over who is going to tank, up to and including provoking bosses off you and otherwise doing their best to rip hate. When you have 5 tanks all trying to be the hero, it makes life very hard for the healers. Having to swap healing targets every GCD because a different tank just finished his Halone/Butcher's Block combo is hell.

I'm happy to just put DPS accessories on and do some damage while applying Storm's Path/Eye. My self worth isn't tied to an agro meter.

If your party doesn't want to explain anything to you, tell the entire dungeon you're new. There'll be at least 1 person who's willing to explain it to you. Hell, there are countless people who have Macro's to explain each fight despite the fact no one asked for help.

I've ran into plenty of terrible groups, but there are 16 other players out there on Alliance chat. Don't be afraid to ask them for help, too. If no one helps, it's their own fault.

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Originally Posted by Pesmergia

Tanks should know every encounter they go into before doing it. Set the example. No one should go blindly into something. Takes a matter of 5 minutes to watch a video guide on youtube. If you can't spare 5 minutes you shouldn't be playing MMOs.

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The thing about it is, people don't like to wipe on stuff they have done. So being late to the game means getting flamed for doing it blind.

Tanks go in blind, too, the first week of all new content. It's just that people have grown impatient over the years as content become piece-meal and are designed to cater to shorter play sessions. So for those of us who like to experience the thrill of new content, we need to be riding that first wave when new content are released.

It's sad, but that's what we get for playing with strangers. Can't expect strangers to be nice. Hell can't even expect FC members to be nice anymore. :3

When I'm tanking CT, I always go on my Warrior (been trying to get the Armour of Light for my Paladin to use in Coil, but ended up being stitched up last night by the glitch where last person in the dungeon automatically gets the last piece. Got the Fuma chest piece though, which looks awesome, so am slightly more over it now than I was, but back on topic!) who is pretty well geared, and I know I can MT everything in there very easily. I will always offer to be Main Tank, but will gladly go on Adds if someone else would rather MT. If I've gone in via DF I will always ask my Healers if they're okay with me being MT as well.

CT can be A LOT of fun if you get the right people who are willing to spend the time explaining, and don't get a load of trolls, but unfortunately the trolls outweigh those types.

We managed to pull off a full FC run and still ended up wiping on Bone Dragon :P

CT is easy now, enough players now have experience most run go very smooth. First week was a different story.

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Originally Posted by TallonOverworld

... i screwed up on behemoth...

...every monday all robots gather for their items...

P.S: Anyone experienced lag issues on CT?

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King Behemoth is what i like to call "the party killer". Once you know him, he's easy, but it really reveals who knows what is going on and paying attention. Had a group where tanks stood by towers, but didn't know why, another where people didn't know to get behind comets, another that just tried to burn boss ignoring adds. Most went smoothly, with a couple deaths at most, if that.

What do you mean by "robots"? O_o It's the day of reset, so people want to get in a shot at the next piece of loot. It's also the day then that it's quickest to get a group.

Nope, no lag for me.

As a tank, before tying to main tank, i'd say deck out in darklight. It's easy as pie now, and most likely other tanks will be better geared for that job. Not a dig on any skill you may have, they will just be able to survive better and keep aggro.