an alliance kicker for CT

today I had a nightmare run that took 70 minutes and here is the story. we start off and ask if everyone here is familiar and knows the fights? if not just ask wont make fun of you for asking. its better to ask than wiping the raid over and over based on a lack of knowledge. we ask and say these things. no one says a thing. we get to the bone dragon 3 wipes on the bone dragon. no one asked about mechanics from alliance B. at this point it Is alliance B that is wiping us whole sale. A and C say ok lets just continue on see what happens. we wipe on every boss 2 or more times excluding the last boss. we wiped 6 times on king behemoth alone. thanks to alliance B. things started to get heated after the 4th and 5th wipe on king behemoth. the only reason we didn't wipe on king behemoth a 7th time was the build up of insults flung at alliance B out of sheer anger made both terrible healers and tanks drop from B. read the 2nd half right below.

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Also, make macros and explain anyway if people perform poorly. Lots of people won't admit they're new, since it usually results in drops, namecalling and more.

I have all the patience in the world for people learning and getting better. alliance B in this case were not trying to get better. again they never said after the bone dragon wipes we need a detailed breakdown of this fight coming up. they didn't even ask why we wiped on bone dragon. this is why they need to expand the dismiss option to let people in other alliances dismiss other players in a different alliance. these guys added 25+ minutes to the run w/o any intent to learn about the fights from us on the spot in that moment. I am 100% im not alone in this thought. at the start we said if you don't know ask. how hard is it to say "I don't know this fight. what should I know?

While I don't agree with kicking people because they're bad, like you are suggesting, I do think this system needs to be in place for groups of people who are deliberately trying to ruin runs for others. We had an Alliance group earlier that were intentionally trying to sabotage our run. At first I thought they might just be bad, but on closer inspection of what they were actually doing, you could see their motives were clear:

Facing the first Valefor's rear towards other groups, even repositioning him to better catch people in his tail swipe and baiting them. Some time later, when we arrived at Bone Dragon; their group stacked the Platinal on top of each other; they had both of their tanks pulling them onto the same spot or dropping them on already dead Platinal. They knew the mechanics and they had been told again and again, but they were dead set on trolling our run. Reporting them would have done no good, since they could play the innocent card and say they did not know the tactics, but a vote to kick feature for their group would have been perfect.

I don't support removing people for being bad players; even the worst, but I'm all in favour of removing those that want to ruin things for other people.

I think I was in that CT raid... it sounds all to familiar. Alliance B, I hated you!!

I was in a terrible CT run that almost resulted in a time out. We had an alliance that just didn't want to cooperate and there was nothing we could have done about it. While I agree that kicking people who are bad is not a fair enough reason, those that refuse to improve are not much different from those who wish to fail the raid.

Also: Hi Royal Cat.

Was in CT today where there was an Alliance "B" with a BOTTER.
This botter was flying around the room.

That alliance group would not remove this so person and made snide remarks how we should get over ourselves. I did report them in game - as other alliance people did but was pretty stupid to be locked in first room while they were doing some shady sh/t.

We were forced to leave 30 min CD. Today was the worst luck with CT ever for me.

yes royalsaint you were there sadly. hate to see it when people have there time wasted by trolls.

I think people have started trolling we had a similar situation today but ours was alliance C

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Originally Posted by Valdrake

I think people have started trolling we had a similar situation today but ours was alliance C

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People have been trolling CT for a while. I have seen alliances where members go straight to the fights and lock out people.

wow there is already too many case of abuse with the kick, dont kick a full aliance because they so call "ruined" your life.

Thankfully I have not ran into Kick Abuse though i've heard of it plenty of times. I have a guildy that's been booted 3 times now and from what i'm told is purely because of class competition.

I've ran into fail groups...but I just can't imagine why a group of people would join CT to intentionally wipe the whole raid. That doesn't make sense to me, not saying it doesn't happen, just that I don't get it.

Do you have nothing better to do with your life than play a game to ruin other peoples gaming time. For some, like myself, I don't get to game all that much and I sacrafice other things to play. So my time is incredibly valuable to me.

For all the tanks out there reading this post. If you're one that likes to be all bossish and fight for agro this is for you.

IF you see another tank lob the skeleton before you. Leave it the F*** alone. I almost wiped on the dragon boss becuase you SOB's fight for agro. Rule: Use shield lob to pull skelletons. If you lob at the same time as another tank, whoever's shield hits first takes it. Stop fighting them for agro...all it does is ping pong them near the dragon.

My group last night had 4 skeletons die within 1-2 platforms from the bone dragon. How we didn't wipe I have no idea Boss Dps, really good healers, whatever, we mannaged but seriously. STOP FIGHTING FOR AGRO. WORK THE F*** together!!! ok..rant off Good day.

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Originally Posted by paradigmfellow

People have been trolling CT for a while. I have seen alliances where members go straight to the fights and lock out people.

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The best is when people drop comets on the lightning towers for behemoth fight as a deliberate method to destory them.

3 wipes on bonedragon 6 wipes on behemoth, some other wipes thrown in, how the fuck did you finish in 70 minutes..

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Originally Posted by Githiun

IF you see another tank lob the skeleton before you. Leave it the F*** alone. I almost wiped on the dragon boss becuase you SOB's fight for agro. Rule: Use shield lob to pull skelletons. If you lob at the same time as another tank, whoever's shield hits first takes it. Stop fighting them for agro...all it does is ping pong them near the dragon.

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I always make sure to apologize if this happens, but I must say sometimes it's hard to tell: I often see a skeleton run to a healer, I then shield lob, it follows but then another tank hit it around the same time, and probably due to better gear they get the aggro, but here I am thinking, dammit healer must have pulled more aggro and I taunt off the other tank. I try to catch tank names as we start but not always, there really is little to no need to have 6 tanks in CT.

Also something you may not know is that when you target a mob. If you look at your Alliance Party list where it just shows A B C and their symbols. Whoever has agro of that mob is highlighted in Red. So you by targeting a skeleton you can see if one of hte other tanks have it even if you don't know their name.

Once or twice isn't a problem I saw two tanks battle over this skeleton so many times that it died right next to the dragon. we took so many AoE's on the first round I have no idea how we lived.

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Originally Posted by Githiun

Also something you may not know is that when you target a mob. If you look at your Alliance Party list where it just shows A B C and their symbols. Whoever has agro of that mob is highlighted in Red. So you by targeting a skeleton you can see if one of hte other tanks have it even if you don't know their name.

Once or twice isn't a problem I saw two tanks battle over this skeleton so many times that it died right next to the dragon. we took so many AoE's on the first round I have no idea how we lived.

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Doesn't really work, since healing tags mob. often have purple mobs near the back of group A area with no other tank I'm fighting with for it. The more annoying thing is on the last boss there all the tanks shoving their epeens in other tank's faces by fighting for threat spinning the boss around.

yeah I made a mistake because I was new and people were being really horrible to new players so I kept quiet .


"How hard is it for a human being to kill the skeletons on different pads?" <-- pretty easy if you know.
"This game is natural selection at its finest!" <-- yep it sorts out the Dbags from the rest

wish people were nicer but unfortunately those people are few and far between :(

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Originally Posted by Mirakumi

Was in CT today where there was an Alliance "B" with a BOTTER.
This botter was flying around the room.

That alliance group would not remove this so person and made snide remarks how we should get over ourselves. I did report them in game - as other alliance people did but was pretty stupid to be locked in first room while they were doing some shady sh/t.

We were forced to leave 30 min CD. Today was the worst luck with CT ever for me.

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was he actually flying or just porting around. I use aetherial manipulation an awful lot to get around the poison in the startin areas and am always afraid someone who doesnt know any better will think im hacking or something. BTW is there some new strategy with the bomb that conists of just burning the demons down and ignoring the adds? Last several runs ive been on our group is killing the bombs and we're getting blasted by at least 6 or 7 that get past the other two groups somehow.

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Originally Posted by flamds1

was he actually flying or just porting around. I use aetherial manipulation an awful lot to get around the poison in the startin areas and am always afraid someone who doesnt know any better will think im hacking or something. BTW is there some new strategy with the bomb that conists of just burning the demons down and ignoring the adds? Last several runs ive been on our group is killing the bombs and we're getting blasted by at least 6 or 7 that get past the other two groups somehow.

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He was flying. Before the instance started he was running around while we were bound. He started dancing to show his skills.

It's a game dude, you gotta lose SOMETIMES.

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Originally Posted by Nailkita

I always make sure to apologize if this happens, but I must say sometimes it's hard to tell: I often see a skeleton run to a healer, I then shield lob, it follows but then another tank hit it around the same time, and probably due to better gear they get the aggro, but here I am thinking, dammit healer must have pulled more aggro and I taunt off the other tank. I try to catch tank names as we start but not always, there really is little to no need to have 6 tanks in CT.

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I really hate this...I do....watching the skeletons run back and forth because of the ranged enmity, followed by someone elses, followed by provokes...all the while, DPS is smacking the shit out of it until it dies in the wrong place and then we have a huge problem on our hands. As a WAR I love fighting for agro sometimes...when I know it won't get us all killed. The bone dragon fight is not the time to wrestle for agro.

Sadly I don't think there will be a viable solution anytime soon. I kinda knew with the announcement of CT that trolling would shoot up. 24 people in one dungeon, the temptation is too great.


Of course there's the usual drama when things go wrong in CT, which then can lead to alliances purposely screwing each other over out of spite.

I'm not entirely sure about being able to kick an entire alliance as I could see this easily being abused, but I would definitely back better kick options for raids, that and easier/quicker report options sort of like how they added blist to clicking on the persons name.
Those things would definitely make me happier.