This is why your queue-time is long...

I don't normally ask "what class are you" before inviting people.. but I found this fate group setup pretty hilarious.

http://i.imgur.com/dWYAcWX.jpg

And this is why dungeons need an even bigger EXP buff (outside of Roulette) in 2.2...

Square, please consider increasing dungeon EXP even further for 2.2. I am very pleased with 2.1 but when DPS queues are 30-40m it's more optimal to join a FATE group and level that way.

Cheers.

Spamming Flash in FATE's and getting Gold reward for them is much easier than doing actual work in a dungeon and getting ragged at for being bad...this starts a vicious cycle where they don't want to up their game and take responsibility in dungeons, preferring to spam FATE's, then not knowing how to tank when they eventually have to grind for tomes.

You should of redacted names but I have to say, Blazed Llama is a pretty awesome name.

We'll I've picked up playing as a tank after 2.1 and LOVE the dungeon exp, especially roulette. While FATE sure are stupid easy to earn gold on...one time I earned gold while starting in like the last 30 seconds of the Fate, nothing but flash and a few quick hits.

I still FAR more enjoy the dungeons. But then no one's ever complained about my tanking. In fact I've walked out with loads of commendations just for level grinding in dungeons. Yet if others have had to deal with abuse I don't blame them for skipping out.

Dungeon experience is great the reason it is a ton of tanks is because no one wants to deal with tanking them.

All I have left to level is blm and brd. Takes me a half hour or more to get into roulette... never get into proper level instances. Which leaves me with leves and fates... the exact same thing I was doing before the patch. Difference is that now fates are a bigger pain to complete.

Honestly setting up groups 1/1/2 and 2/2/4 was a mistake. Should have been at least 3 dps per 1 tank and healer. 1/1/4 and 2/2/8 would have been far better setups. I have yet to see an MMO pull of balance between the roles and this game is no different. I don't understand why they thought it would be.

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Spamming Flash in FATE's and getting Gold reward for them is much easier than doing actual work in a dungeon and getting ragged at for being bad...this starts a vicious cycle where they don't want to up their game and take responsibility in dungeons, preferring to spam FATE's, then not knowing how to tank when they eventually have to grind for tomes.

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Exactly.

There are soo many bad tanks at 50 because of the FATE system.

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You should of redacted names but I have to say, Blazed Llama is a pretty awesome name.

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Cheers, forgot about that.. updated OP :)

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Spamming Flash in FATE's and getting Gold reward for them is much easier than doing actual work in a dungeon and getting ragged at for being bad...this starts a vicious cycle where they don't want to up their game and take responsibility in dungeons, preferring to spam FATE's, then not knowing how to tank when they eventually have to grind for tomes.

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Or maybe they got sick of doing the same dungeons over and over. Or don't want to play for the whole 50 minutes of a dungeon. Or want to do other things while they level.

Or maybe they want to avoid arrogant people like you and the OP.

As far as I know, DPS queue times haven't changed much, if at all, from 2.0 so I don't think there's an issue with tanks preferring one or the other; it's just the general lack of tanks. It could also be an isolated case where a group of people are just leveling tank without actually wanting to play them - I know I'll be doing that when I get around to leveling GLD/MRD. Not saying that you're right or wrong, just that these are other possibilities.

Maybe the Fate system should be re-designed... to the point its removed from the game?? right right

Fates in XIV are not fun and doesn't teach you jack all about your class/job

gimmicky garbage is what it is

I can understand wanting a break in things to level, but most dungeons are only 30 minutes. And you only have to do the one appropriate to your level range 3-4 times to get the next one (early on, at least). And as a tank you have an instant queue into whatever dungeon you want. AND the potential to get gear. So many pros, but if I suppose if you're in a brain-dead mood (which I get too), then FATEs work.

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Maybe the Fate system should be re-designed... to the point its removed from the game?? right right

Fates in XIV are not fun and doesn't teach you jack all about your class/job

gimmicky garbage is what it is

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The concept is fine, but the implementation is terrible. GW2's dynamic events are examples of how the concept can be used well. The problem here is that FATEs are absolutely meaningless other than being bags of experience and seals. There are no consequences for succeeding or failing at them and the difficulty scalings are off.

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indeed,

which is what happens when you borrow a feature because its the "popular thing in MMO" and poorly execute it

They should really stick to their guns. Final Fantasy 14 is a unique MMO and should bring something "New" to the table

Not poorly implement stuff that has already been done to death by other MMOs

I Plan to level a tank as my 3rd class and when I do I am going to level it entirely through dungeons, as a burst dps I just really notice and appreciate good tanks and want to be the sort of tank I love playing with.

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I can understand wanting a break in things to level, but most dungeons are only 30 minutes. And you only have to do the one appropriate to your level range 3-4 times to get the next one (early on, at least). And as a tank you have an instant queue into whatever dungeon you want. AND the potential to get gear. So many pros, but if I suppose if you're in a brain-dead mood (which I get too), then FATEs work.

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Personally, I already have to do hundreds of dungeon runs at 50, so might as well do something different during leveling.

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I don't see what's arrogant about people doing their job properly, but OK..

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About how you judge them for being incompetent just for being on a FATE party.

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Or maybe they got sick of doing the same dungeons over and over. Or don't want to play for the whole 50 minutes of a dungeon. Or want to do other things while they level.

Or maybe they want to avoid arrogant people like you and the OP.

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I don't see what's arrogant about people doing their job properly, but OK..

I really can't stand fates >_<...

Fates are totally the reason people are bad. Thats why everyone in every other MMO that doesn't have fates are great at their jobs.

Speaking as someone leveling WAR, I haven't bothered with FATEs ever since they buffed dungeon XP in 2.1. Roulette alone gets me half a level, and then I just do a few dungeons and I'm averaging 1.5-2 levels per day. It's plenty fast enough for me and far, far less mind-numbingly dull than grinding FATEs.

The roulette system is kinda broken.
I've been in many parties where everyone had joined through roulette and was lvl 30+ on their current class, yet we were stuck doing Sastasha, Toto Rak or Copperbelle.
So yea once that daily bonus is gone, it's back to fates or que for the highest lvl dungeon opened to you and wait just as long as you used to before 2.1 with somewhat more exp gain in return.

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The roulette system is kinda broken.
I've been in many parties where everyone had joined through roulette and was lvl 30+ on their current class, yet we were stuck doing Sastasha, Toto Rak or Copperbelle.
So yea once that daily bonus is gone, it's back to fates or que for the highest lvl dungeon opened to you and wait just as long as you used to before 2.1 with somewhat more exp gain in return.

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Basically this. Doing BRD now and when I roulette it is always the lvl ~15 dungeons where the EXP for someone almost in their 40's (even level synced) sucks. If you want to queue on the higher (non lvl 50) ones (that you rake in 1500-2000 a kill) you wait around 45 min or more for a party.

Don't even get me started on guildhist's past the ones needed for King Moogle. DPS is looking at 1.5-2.0 hours seek on those.

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And this is why dungeons need an even bigger EXP buff (outside of Roulette) in 2.2...

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Certainly explains why there's a lack of decent tanks at 50 at the moment. Not sure it justifies another Exp buff when dungeon Exp is ridiculous already.Those tanks just need to man up and actually start tanking, you know, content that is harder than spamming fates.

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Or maybe they got sick of doing the same dungeons over and over. Or don't want to play for the whole 50 minutes of a dungeon. Or want to do other things while they level.

Or maybe they want to avoid arrogant people like you and the OP.

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Ironically, I made a tank and exclusively level via dungeons once I reach level 15 because I've seen so many bad tanks I have to make one myself to get a good tank and make sure others don't suffer the same FATE (of having to put up with bad tanks)

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Exactly.

There are soo many bad tanks at 50 because of the FATE system.

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FATEs dont make them be bad tanks, they are bad tanks cuz they are bad............ i leveled my pld via powerleveling during 1.0, and never played it till 2.0, right now, i have yet to hear of a single complaint about my tanking style, and only had a few blms and smns that could pull hate off of me in 2.0 (pre-shield oath/defiance enmity buff), and now rarely see any dps come close to pulling hate off of me

dont blame a system that makes it easy, blame the idiot that refuses to get better, the tool-tips alone help alot

but i do agree, they should boost the xp per kill in the dungeons, or add xp to completing the must do list in the dungeons

Sometimes I like to take a break from the constant Satasha or one dungeon in my range and do fates to get out of the grind.