T4'ing people (An apology)

To the Coil Turn 1 Party Finder group that I joined on the 4th of January, 2014 at 5pm (GMT+10). I apologize for locking you all into Turn 4 and hope that you will understand the explanation I'm about to give you.

Prior to joining your group, I joined another group which had its settings on Coil Turn 1 with the comment "T4". I assumed it meant Turn 1-4 and went in with them. To my shock, the group had entered T4 and were questioning my reaction. I didn't want this and left immediately. Unaware that I was now locked to t4, I joined the 5pm group and asked to take leader since I was at Cadeuceus before the whole fiasco. Blindly clicking away, not noticing that the option said turn 4, I ended up taking the whole group to turn 4 and proceeded to unintentionally lock everyone to turn 4. I sincerely apologize for my ignorance and hope that you will find it in your heart to forgive me. It truly was not my intention to maliciously give you all the t4 aids. ; ;


/grovel /grovel /grovel /grovel /grovel /grovel /grovel

-Fallen Wings (Tonberry)

Scared you are going to get banned or what?

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Originally Posted by Narcissus

Scared you are going to get banned or what?

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She's just giving an honest apology...

No, I posted it here because I don't remember their names and thought this would be the most likely place they'd look over. As I said previously I did not do this on purpose and was unaware this was even possible. If I get banned that's that. I just wanted to apologize to the people that I accidentally screwed over as well, and let this be known to everyone else so this tragedy doesn't get repeated.

Honest mistake, imo, with the way you apologized from the looks of it.

There should be a way to avoid these situations. Maybe requiring everybody to be in exactly the same turn that the leader is, otherwise it should not let the party enter, that way avoiding any kind of locking out people, accidental or not.

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Originally Posted by FallenWings

To the Coil Turn 1 Party Finder group that I joined on the 4th of January, 2014 at 5pm (GMT+10). I apologize for locking you all into Turn 4 and hope that you will understand the explanation I'm about to give you.

Prior to joining your group, I joined another group which had its settings on Coil Turn 1 with the comment "T4". I assumed it meant Turn 1-4 and went in with them. To my shock, the group had entered T4 and were questioning my reaction. I didn't want this and left immediately. Unaware that I was now locked to t4, I joined the 5pm group and asked to take leader since I was at Cadeuceus before the whole fiasco. Blindly clicking away, not noticing that the option said turn 4, I ended up taking the whole group to turn 4 and proceeded to unintentionally lock everyone to turn 4. I sincerely apologize for my ignorance and hope that you will find it in your heart to forgive me. It truly was not my intention to maliciously give you all the t4 aids. ; ;


/grovel /grovel /grovel /grovel /grovel /grovel /grovel

-Fallen Wings (Tonberry)

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False modesty much?

Lol, this same thing just happened on Ultros although i think it was intentional.

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Originally Posted by Yagrush

There should be a way to avoid these situations. Maybe requiring everybody to be in exactly the same turn that the leader is, otherwise it should not let the party enter, that way avoiding any kind of locking out people, accidental or not.

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A better solution would be to have a confirmation box pop up for all party members before they're taken to a Turn they haven't gotten to yet, and everyone has to agree to go or else it won't let you. Keeps the functionality the same while preventing unintentional or trolling jump aheads, assuming that even one person in the group knows how to read.

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Originally Posted by Yagrush

There should be a way to avoid these situations. Maybe requiring everybody to be in exactly the same turn that the leader is, otherwise it should not let the party enter, that way avoiding any kind of locking out people, accidental or not.

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Lame. Here's an example why,

One of our static member didn't make it for T1-T4 this past few days due to Holidays, if this were to be implemented, that will mean that the said member won't be able to join us for T5 and we'll end up with a pub member for T5 for the rest of the week.

A commence pop up (same with how the Duty Finder works) will perfectly do the job, no need for that suggestion. Thank you.

If duty finder can ask me if I'm ready to enter an instance, why the hell can't there be a 'yes, turn 4 is good and I a ready to enter button'
Major stupid shit SE, I don't bash much, but try and rub 2 brain cells together here. If you're gonna lock people into content for a full week, at least give them the option to agree to it before people lock themselves down.

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Originally Posted by Arkghyom

It had to be an arrogant midget. Mind your place, little one! :P

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Doesnt have anything to do with me.

But i do know for a fact people have been listing the Wrong Coil Turns By accident.

I wasn't in the situation, and I'm not the OP... so I don't know if she is being real or not. I'll take it at face value and assume she is being sincere.

The nail in the coffin for your situation was asking for party lead. >_<;; Of course the people who passed you lead probably assumed you were trolling them (at first). You'd be surprised how often people specifically form a 'Turn 1' group just to pull people into a higher Turn (such as 5) and laugh at them. There was a thread a few weeks back about this very occurrence... someone had joined a Turn 1 group and was pulled into Turn 5 against their will. The other people in the group just laughed and there was nothing that person could do... they were stuck for that week.

SE needs to get this crap fixed! Why cant they add a instanced window when the party leader goes in?

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Originally Posted by Yagrush

There should be a way to avoid these situations. Maybe requiring everybody to be in exactly the same turn that the leader is, otherwise it should not let the party enter, that way avoiding any kind of locking out people, accidental or not.

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No they can leave it as is and just add a confirmation window when the party leader enters. I only need gear from T1/T4/T5 don't want to have to do T2/T3 if I can avoid them (unless I need the 50 Myth).

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Originally Posted by prymortal

Doesnt have anything to do with me.

But i do know for a fact people have been listing the Wrong Coil Turns By accident.

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I've also seen people mislead about what turn they're doing on purpose.

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

I wasn't in the situation, and I'm not the OP... so I don't know if she is being real or not. I'll take it at face value and assume she is being sincere.

The nail in the coffin for your situation was asking for party lead. >_<;; Of course the people who passed you lead probably assumed you were trolling them (at first). You'd be surprised how often people specifically form a 'Turn 1' group just to pull people into a higher Turn (such as 5) and laugh at them. There was a thread a few weeks back about this very occurrence... someone had joined a Turn 1 group and was pulled into Turn 5 against their will. The other people in the group just laughed and there was nothing that person could do... they were stuck for that week.

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not really. in the op they stated they were on snakes. if the party leader hasn't made it there it's common to ask who is already there to promote them to skip ads.

Would it not be more appropriate to apologise to the group at the time? <.< Or did you already do that and this is additional apologising? Just seems... odd.

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Originally Posted by FallenWings

Prior to joining your group, I joined another group which had its settings on Coil Turn 1 with the comment "T4". I assumed it meant Turn 1-4 and went in with them. To my shock, the group had entered T4 and were questioning my reaction. I didn't want this and left immediately. Unaware that I was now locked to t4, I joined the 5pm group and asked to take leader since I was at Cadeuceus before the whole fiasco. Blindly clicking away, not noticing that the option said turn 4, I ended up taking the whole group to turn 4 and proceeded to unintentionally lock everyone to turn 4.

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Not only are you a troll but you think we are all stupid.

You say you asked for lead in the last group because you were on cadeuceus, but you didn't ask for lead in the first group when you thought it was for Turns 1-4, and that is where you got Turn 4 locked. I hope you get banned.

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Originally Posted by KenzieLynch

Not only are you a troll but you think we are all stupid.

You say you asked for lead in the last group because you were on cadeuceus, but you didn't ask for lead in the first group when you thought it was for Turns 1-4, and that is where you got Turn 4 locked. I hope you get banned.

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I don't believe them either tbh, but that's not for us to decide.

This here is pretty clear indicator that they knew progress in coil is saved:

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Originally Posted by FallenWings

Unaware that I was now locked to t4, I joined the 5pm group and asked to take leader since I was at Cadeuceus before the whole fiasco.

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Saying "Unaware that I was now locked to t4" while knowing that progress is saved in coil is not believable.

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Originally Posted by KenzieLynch

Not only are you a troll but you think we are all stupid.

You say you asked for lead in the last group because you were on cadeuceus, but you didn't ask for lead in the first group when you thought it was for Turns 1-4, and that is where you got Turn 4 locked. I hope you get banned.

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You do realize you can select T1-4 separately in Party Finder right? Some people really skip on adding anything useful in the comments area and keep it very short. Which at times makes it hard to understand what they want.
Besides, you can't get banned for it as it is obviously a mistake and an error by Square-Enix for not adding a confirmation for each player before entering. You know, like they do with DF as well.

I don't understand why they handle the reset the way they do. A better solution would be to make the reset manual (like it is in many other MMOs, I can preserve my progress week-to-week if that is what I want), or better yet, make it a checklist like every other dungeon in the game, with the rewards from each section only dealt out once a week. You might ask "what about Turn 3" but really, does anybody actually get stuck there? If I clear it once, doing it again is just a waste of time (unless I want to spiritbond crap).

I play with a really laid-back group that raids just a few (maybe 3?) hours a week, possibly more but the rest of the week our times don't sync up because of work/school/living on other sides of the planet etc. It has nothing to do with whether or not we can beat the previous turns, but it's bothersome that we need to spend like 1~2 hours going through turns 1-4 every time we raid just so we can start practicing on Twin again, sometimes depending on what's going on we might not even get one attempt in.

This would also fix the T4ing problem because you could just do the Turns in whatever order you want after you've cleared them once. If I've already cleared a previous Turn before, that's all that should matter.

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Originally Posted by Syrellaris

You do realize you can select T1-4 separately in Party Finder right? Some people really skip on adding anything useful in the comments area and keep it very short. Which at times makes it hard to understand what they want.
Besides, you can't get banned for it as it is obviously a mistake and an error by Square-Enix for not adding a confirmation for each player before entering. You know, like they do with DF as well.

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I think his point is if OP asked for lead to take the entire group into Caduceus then the OP knew of the lockout mechanic and how it works. Once entering T4 why would the OP go back to a T1 group, ask for lead, and proceed to take them in?

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Originally Posted by Avraym

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Once you grow a tail, hiss at me all you want~

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Originally Posted by AltaneenXIV

Saying "Unaware that I was now locked to t4" while knowing that progress is saved in coil is not believable.

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A lot of people don't know that you get locked to a Turn the instant you set foot in it. Some people assume that you only get locked somewhere once you've killed something or hit a checkpoint (i.e. killing Turn 1's ADS, or in this case reaching Cadeuceus on T1), which would honestly be more logical imo. Clearly it doesn't work this way, but until someone experiences it for themselves (or hears/reads about it happening to someone else), it's not hard to imagine why they wouldn't know the specifics of lockouts.

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Originally Posted by Yagrush

There should be a way to avoid these situations. Maybe requiring everybody to be in exactly the same turn that the leader is, otherwise it should not let the party enter, that way avoiding any kind of locking out people, accidental or not.

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Squee needs to work their lockout system in the way that any other sane MMO does: No one is locked out until the boss dies.

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Originally Posted by Baxter

I think his point is if OP asked for lead to take the entire group into Caduceus then the OP knew of the lockout mechanic and how it works. Once entering T4 why would the OP go back to a T1 group, ask for lead, and proceed to take them in?

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Lot of people are unaware that entering coil is a lockout on it's own. Plenty if not most still believe it doesn't happen untill you kill a Boss. Which btw is the way it supposed to work, who in there right mind would design a raid and then lock people upon entering.