Reporting cheaters?

So I know we aren't supposed to call people out on the forums for in game stuff, but the jumping in PvP is getting out of hand. I mostly solo queue and have a 50% win rate, and 90% of my losses are to people abusing the broken jump mechanic that Yoshi P. specifically asked people to not do. Curious if reporting people for it even matters, or if I should just make a wall of shame and put it on reddit with screens of offenders in action.

If you can't win a match fairly, you don't deserve a win.

Liked.

I report anyone I catch doing this in pvp. I know it's mostly just to make me feel better, but Sqaure hasn't told me to STFU (yet). :D

However, since I do stream and record on twitch, I am able to prove my accusations with a timedated link added in the reports.

Where and when did Yoshi P ask people not to use their spacebar, not sure if you two are trolls or want to be ridiculed by the entire pvp community that have actually played more than 100 games.

Sounds like a case of feathers ruffled cos monk. gg

shud a.. actually reporter botters like hakai.. jus sayin

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Originally Posted by NotSureIfTrolling

Where and when did Yoshi P ask people not to use their spacebar...

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Jumping characters are difficult to hit
In patch 2.1, new coding was introduced that will estimate the character’s position to improve response time. As a result, response time has improved drastically in other content. However, because the estimation on the character’s position does not apply to character's that are jumping, this leads to melee attacks not being counted quite often. While we continue working on this issue, I would like to ask that until this issue is addressed, please try not to use the jump as an intentional dodge maneuver against melee attacks.

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Let's just snip a few things out..

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Originally Posted by NotSureIfTrolling

not sure if troll or want to be ridiculed by the entire pvp community

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Originally Posted by NotSureIfTrolling

Where and when did Yoshi P ask people not to use their spacebar, not sure if you two are trolls...

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What? Lol I have a full set of i70 PvP gear and a 50% win rate from solo queues. Not mad cause bad, I just don't like having my time wasted by exploiters. I will quote Yoshi's words for you regarding the exploit:
"Jumping characters are difficult to hit
In patch 2.1, new coding was introduced that will estimate the character’s position to improve response time. As a result, response time has improved drastically in other content. However, because the estimation on the character’s position does not apply to character's that are jumping, this leads to melee attacks not being counted quite often. While we continue working on this issue, I would like to ask that until this issue is addressed, please try not to use the jump as an intentional dodge maneuver against melee attacks."


You can find that post Here

I've done a couple hundred matches this week and have only run into 2 people jumping a lot. I didn't report either of them. If I could right click the name and report after a match or something I probably would.

I do take the time to fill out a "report cheating" ticket however for people I see obviously botting. There are 2 of those I've seen that will auto join the match, proceed to automatically use all of their buffs and then 1 just stood there while the other would target a team member and use follow on them. When I see them in a match I ask everyone to report the person.

STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO POINT ME OUT WHERE HE SPECIFICALLY ASKS PEOPLE NOT TO USE THEIR SPACEBARS

So you're saying that you can carry 3 other people if only you could get 1-2 extra hits in. hmmmm

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Originally Posted by NotSureIfTrolling

STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO POINT ME OUT WHERE HE SPECIFICALLY ASKS PEOPLE NOT TO USE THEIR SPACEBARS

So you\\'re saying that you can carry 3 other people if only you could get 1-2 extra hits in. hmmmm

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Troll. Clearly.

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Originally Posted by NotSureIfTrolling

STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO POINT ME OUT WHERE HE SPECIFICALLY ASKS PEOPLE NOT TO USE THEIR SPACEBARS

So you're saying that you can carry 3 other people if only you could get 1-2 extra hits in. hmmmm

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Guess we better fix it, huh? I'll bite I guess.

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Originally Posted by NotSureIfTrolling

sure if troll and want to be ridiculed by the entire pvp community

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On the off chance you're for real, here friend enjoy your day. Cause I would maybe almost feel bad if you're actually just uninformed and I was calling you names. Maybe.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...stments-to-PvP

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Originally Posted by NotSureIfTrolling

STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO POINT ME OUT WHERE HE SPECIFICALLY ASKS PEOPLE NOT TO USE THEIR SPACEBARS

So you're saying that you can carry 3 other people if only you could get 1-2 extra hits in. hmmmm

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When those hits do 1500 a piece, yeah. That's a dead healer.

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Originally Posted by OdinTheTainted

Troll. Clearly.

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Indeed. Probably worried he's gonna get busted and he's mad that his only ticket to win can get him banned.

Troll though for sure.

I dont think that reporting people is going to do anything honestly. I have only seen a few people hopping around in the matches that I have been playing. And just because Yoshi P "asked" the community not to jump around alot doesnt mean he is going to ban people for doing it. Also maybe if they would let people test their content before pumping it out, this would of been fixed before it was released. And people need to quit calling people cheaters for using an exploit in the game. How many people have exploited WP speed runs and Chimera bugs?

Yea asking how something is a reportable offense and not going along with other people that have absolutely no grounds to actually claim such offense is reportable. What wrong with that guy, huh? Whats next, reporting someone for sprinting because someone asked them not to as well? I mean, it makes them hard to hit.

It's like playing league and watching ppl get reported for not saying "gg" at the end of a game. People who are angry have a report option, and they have absolutely no self control after they lose a video game :(

I will from now on report anyone who is sprinting away from me, because that puts me as a melee at an unfair disadvantage since I need TP to hit people and cant sprint with them

You guys are missing the point, it is an exploit not a mechanic....

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Originally Posted by Casca_Longinus

I will from now on report anyone who is sprinting away from me, because that puts me as a melee at an unfair disadvantage since I need TP to hit people and cant sprint with them

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You have both Invigorate (120 second cooldown) and Enliven (300 second base, 180 second upgrade) available to you to restore your TP after popping sprint if you want to catch up to someone.

reporting people for interrupting my casts because it does not allow me to heal

It really baffles me that people can be quite this thick. The jump exploit is not comparable to sprinting or casting interrupts. Those are established officially documented mechanics that function as currently intended within the pvp arena.

The virtual invulnerability granted by staying airborne 99% of a pvp match however is an officially acknowledged exploit specifically discouraged by the games producer.

Lets imagine that through some programming fluke that if you /sit while in the pvp arena you become invulnerable. Would you rationalize that because you can be interrupted while casting it's perfectly acceptable to level the playing field by spending 99% of the game sitting down whenever someone targets you?

If someone is clearly exploiting the mechanic I report them, and if they're on my server I personally call them out on it. The worst case of the exploit I have ever seen was someone from my server, they were jumping so much that at times it appeared like their character model was frozen in the jump animation and just floating through the air, and I warned them against continuing with their BS before more people reported them for it.

Anyone else start running into teleport hackers yet? FORGIVE MY UI

http://i.imgur.com/wrlBvRV.jpg

In other games if there is a programming fluke, they fix it. They don't say "hey guys, don't do this until next patch or whenever we decide to get around to it." I mean they could just disable jumping until it's resolved. Don't act like it's all the players fault pressing spacebar turns the pvp world upside down. To say this wasn't well tested would be an understatement.

I dunno if it's a new trend or something, but today alone we've come across at least 3 teleport hackers. One paladin kept vanishing every time he wasn't using an active skill, and we had a bard on our team who vanished into the sky then came back down and landed in front of me when he was low health. There was a scholar who was bouncing all over the place in one game, too. I believe people can lag sometimes, but these seemed really really deliberate.

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Originally Posted by Farrell

In other games if there is a programming fluke, they fix it. They don't say "hey guys, don't do this until next patch or whenever we decide to get around to it." I mean they could just disable jumping until it's resolved. Don't act like it's all the players fault pressing spacebar turns the pvp world upside down. To say this wasn't well tested would be an understatement.

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Actually, in other games they ban you for exploiting things for gain against other players before they can patch it: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2009/1...t-none-banned/

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Originally Posted by Lunami

I dunno if it's a new trend or something, but today alone we've come across at least 3 teleport hackers. One paladin kept vanishing every time he wasn't using an active skill, and we had a bard on our team who vanished into the sky then came back down and landed in front of me when he was low health. There was a scholar who was bouncing all over the place in one game, too. I believe people can lag sometimes, but these seemed really really deliberate.

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needs more attention. I see at least one of these teleporting hacks a day.

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Originally Posted by Appleh4x

Actually, in other games they ban you for exploiting things for gain against other players before they can patch it: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2009/1...t-none-banned/

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Do you think if the exploit in that situation was simply pressing one button on the controller, with no other preparation for the exploit, that they would still ban people in that situation? They would probably have hundreds of thousands of people banned if not more if that was the case.

People probably won't get banned.
But it makes you an ultra scumlord for doing it.

Though I guess those people probably don't care. :3

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Originally Posted by Lunami

I dunno if it's a new trend or something, but today alone we've come across at least 3 teleport hackers. One paladin kept vanishing every time he wasn't using an active skill, and we had a bard on our team who vanished into the sky then came back down and landed in front of me when he was low health. There was a scholar who was bouncing all over the place in one game, too. I believe people can lag sometimes, but these seemed really really deliberate.

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I come across 2 PLDs in action doing this (both from same server funny enough, Moogle) yesterday as we didn't have a tank like we usually do, the start of the match a whm couldnt cast protect on one of them, neither could i heal one, saying i wasn't near the person or w/e, and that was BEFORE the gates had opened...

I have video proof of both of these tanks in action and it is blatantly obvious, I can provide them as proof if needed.

dwdrama posted this link in another thread: http://www.twitch.tv/phazedmd/b/492871510

Interesting how one of the botters in the above video was mentioned by name in this thread a couple days ago on page one. I reported him several days ago and asked others to as well after watching him bot for more than a week. Others have claimed to have reported him and his name is infamous for botting and yet- he is still in game botting daily and acquiring pvp rewards. This is just ONE that I see on a regular basis so I think I can say with some validity that ES is extremely slow on doing anything with blatant cheating even when reported by multiple players. There are people that claim to have been reporting this specific player for weeks.

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Originally Posted by realistic1

dwdrama posted this link in another thread: http://www.twitch.tv/phazedmd/b/492871510

Interesting how one of the botters in the above video was mentioned by name in this thread a couple days ago on page one. I reported him several days ago and asked others to as well after watching him bot for more than a week. Others have claimed to have reported him and his name is infamous for botting and yet- he is still in game botting daily and acquiring pvp rewards. This is just ONE that I see on a regular basis so I think I can say with some validity that ES is extremely slow on doing anything with blatant cheating even when reported by multiple players.

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Well I'm not surprised SE/the GM squad isn't taking this seriously yet, they wait until the majority of their fanbase complains before taking action usually. Remember when RMT spammers weren't being banned for months despite hundreds-thousands reports against accounts?

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Originally Posted by Farrell

Do you think if the exploit in that situation was simply pressing one button on the controller, with no other preparation for the exploit, that they would still ban people in that situation? They would probably have hundreds of thousands of people banned if not more if that was the case.

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It isn't about people who just jump once or twice, it's about intentionally and repeatedly pushing that button to basically make you immune to attack, which is not the intended function of that button. It's cheating in it's simplest and purest form, and was explicitly mentioned as being something the game designer does not want people to do by the game designer himself. If by having to resort to cheating in such a way to not die, then you didn't deserve to stay alive in the match; this is a simple fact. If you want to compare it to anything it would be like people using a simple exploit like crouch jumping to get out of the typical bounds of a map in an FPS and killing players from a zone that no one targets because it should be empty. Taking advantage of a bug the testing team missed to gain an unfair advantage against other players because your skills in the actual bounds of the game are lacking is just pitiful and sad as well, and anyone cheating like this should be ashamed to call themselves PvPers, or gamers at all. In actuality it would just make you a sore loser who has to cheat to prevail over superior players.