We've all dealt with it at one point or another. Queue pops and for the next 6 pops a member withdraws looking for a "in-progress" so they can be lazy then it doesn't pop for another 45 minutes, or you finally get that queue and all but one DPS readies up and screws the whole group and continues for another 5 pops before again, no instant pops and another 45 minute wait time..
We've all shared the pain. Here are some of my suggestions, some of you may agree, some may not but here we go! Let's see if we can improve this!
Queue Pop Constant Withdraw Syndrome: For those who abuse this trying to get in a "in-progress" should get a 3 to 5 minute lockout timer until they can queue again.
The "I Alt-Tab Out While Waiting For Queue Pop and Don't Understand Concept Of Checking If Popped" Guy: Give them a lock out timer too, 3 to 5 minutes, nothing too serious. Of course this doesn't apply to full pre-made parties.
Duty Finder Withdrawing The Whole Group Because One Guy Didn't ready Up: While 90% of the time you'll get an instant pop after that, there are occasions where you will go through numerous instances where all but one or two people ready up. The concept of booting everyone out of the queue and looking for another one seems counter productive. My suggestion is once you accept to be in the instance, you are locked in with that group. So if one DPS or one healer doesn't ready, it just searches to replace that person, not the entire group as a whole.
Elitists Who Complain About Gear Using The Duty Finder and Make People Feel Like Garbage: If someone is decked out in full myth and allagan gear, and are using the Duty Finder, It should be safe to assume you are going to run into new people all the time. To us who have been at end-game content for a while now, all the others are now catching up. Add an option to the Duty Finder where they ca n request a specific gear level so they can match them up with people more accustomed to their play style (this has nothing to do with roulette nothing but positive experiences in there so far). yes I know they can get a pre-made, but if they wanna just jump in with out making a party they can at least be with other people who have the same bad disposition and not ruin the experience for the lower geared players.
Agree? Disagree? Suggestions? Wanna add more? Lets talk about this!
Ways To Improve Duty Finder Queue Pop Issues.
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01-03-2014, 01:38 AMKyteStonesWays To Improve Duty Finder Queue Pop Issues.
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01-03-2014, 01:46 AMNghthawk
Just have it show a generic picture with just the dungeon name on it when it pops for new and in progress so the user has no idea the progress of the run so they can't keep dropping until they get what they want. WoW did this to their's and was a godsend, it helped out those who were looking for a replacement and usually waiting long periods being no one was at that current point.
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01-03-2014, 01:53 AMSadana
I was with ya up to the last point. :D
When using the DF, don't expect ANYTHING. If you get a party that cooperates well, it's magical, enjoy it. :) Otherwise, be patient and help people. Don't have friends online and want a high-geared party? Please use the Party Finder to be exclusive. :) -
01-03-2014, 02:00 AMKyteStonesthat never crossed my mind :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Nghthawk
Thanks for agreeing with me :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sadana
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01-03-2014, 02:02 AMAlhanelemAlmost every game with queues like League of Legends, Smite or Dota has a box pop up in the corner of the screen saying "YOUR MATCH IS READY" if the game doesn't have focus when you get matched. This is what they should do here.Quote:
The "I Alt-Tab Out While Waiting For Queue Pop and Don't Understand Concept Of Checking If Popped" Guy: Give them a lock out timer too, 3 to 5 minutes, nothing too serious. Of course this doesn't apply to full pre-made parties.
Nobody deserves a lockout timer for failing to respond unintentionally.
The only thing that needs a lockout, and it should only be like 1 minute (just enough time to allow someone else to step in), is when you specifically cancel the queue by clicking the withdraw button on the Duty Ready screen.
I also disagree with the last point. If someone acts like this, just let them know about the Party Finder feature, which is the best way to get a group of like-minded individuals who meet their standards.
Bad solution. If they don't know if they're joining in progress, then people won't do it (Because potential reward in less time is their motivation to check the box, while people not having to abandon their half finished dungeon b/c someone bailed). People who need to replace a member will lose out here.Quote:
Just have it show a generic picture with just the dungeon name on it when it pops for new and in progress so the user has no idea the progress of the run so they can't keep dropping until they get what they want.
The simple solution is to make Join in Progress NOT match you with new parties at all. Make it ONLY join in progress (which is what I thought it did in the first place but apparently not).
Uhm, the way you want this to work is already how it works. Did you not notice it says "Finding new member." ? It isn't putting you with a brand new party, it's only replacing the people who did not ready up.Quote:
Duty Finder Withdrawing The Whole Group Because One Guy Didn't ready Up: While 90% of the time you'll get an instant pop after that, there are occasions where you will go through numerous instances where all but one or two people ready up. The concept of booting everyone out of the queue and looking for another one seems counter productive. My suggestion is once you accept to be in the instance, you are locked in with that group. So if one DPS or one healer doesn't ready, it just searches to replace that person, not the entire group as a whole.
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01-03-2014, 02:12 AMNghthawkFor some people they do miss the timer and isn't intention, your idea would hurt them as to where mine would not.Quote:
Queue Pop Constant Withdraw Syndrome: For those who abuse this trying to get in a "in-progress" should get a 3 to 5 minute lockout timer until they can queue again.
Maybe it didn't sound the way it was type, but no they would still be joining a run in progress they just wouldn't know where the progress is.Quote:
Bad solution. If they don't know if they're joining in progress, then people won't do it. People who need to replace a member will lose out here.
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01-03-2014, 02:17 AMAlhanelemAre you resopnding to me or the OP here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nghthawk
That's silly and doesn't address the issue the OP wants to address. there is nothing wrong with how it works now except for the fact that you can still be matched with new groups when you check the box. The issue here is whenever someone checks join in progress and get a new group, they hit cancel because they want to join in progress, not start from the beginning. This aggrivates the people looking for a new party because that person will keep requeuing and getting matched with them and clicking cancel again.Quote:
Maybe it didn't sound the way it was type, but no they would still be joining a run in progress they just wouldn't know where the progress is.
For groups of different progress, they don't know that someone is being matched to join them and cancelling it. the process is invisible to them, so it doesn't hurt them. The issue we're trying to solve is the annoyance of someone constantly backing out of the queue b/c they want an in progress group and it isn't serving them one. -
01-03-2014, 02:20 AMnecrosisThis **IS** intentionally falling to respond. You alt+tab out of the game and do not pay attention to the session you are being as much of a prick as the guy dropping out because its not a 'in session' run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
It is simple.
(1) If you fail to 'ready up' 3 times in 1 hour. (timer runs out or you manually withdraw)
(2) If you bail on a run you enter 3 times in 1 hour within 5 min of entering a full group.
You should be banned from the DF system for 1 hour. There is no excuse for it. -
01-03-2014, 02:26 AMNghthawkThat to the OP.Quote:
Are you resopnding to me or the OP here?
I went back and read his post and see what you are talking about now. I wasn't aware that when clicking the checkbox for all ready in progress would lead to a new run where you all enter in at the same time, it was based on when there are people waiting for a replacement where not showing the progress people can't keep dropping until they get a group at the very end.
Sorry for the confusion I might of caused and my own as well, with this snow storm were getting and the work I'm going to have to do within the next day or 2 is clouding my judgement. -
01-03-2014, 02:33 AMAlhanelemAre you stupid? People who do this are not intentionally failing to respond. They are bored while waiting so they read their email or watch a video or whatever while they wait for their queue. They are not doing it on purpose to troll the duty finder. Most of these people WANT to join the thing they're queuing for and they miss it by mistake. Adding the pop up like every other similar system on the planet has would solve this problem.Quote:
This **IS** intentionally falling to respond. You alt+tab out of the game and do not pay attention to the session you are being as much of a prick as the guy dropping out because its not a 'in session' run.
I do that all the time. It is COMMONPLACE for games with a matchmaking queue to notify you when it is ready when the game doesn't have focus. This allows them to tab back and join the game. if THEN you STILL miss it, then you could argue it was intentional. But for most people most of the time? No way in hell is it intentional.
You arguing people shouldn't be allowed to check their email or read these forums while they wait is absurd. In fact, I'm waiting for a party while I write this post.
Nobody should ever be banned from the queue for hour(s) for failing to respond. This isn't a serious enough issue to warrant such a severe restriction. If people withdraw more than once then there should be a short delay in order to allow someone else to fill the party so they can get on with it. But this issue will almost completely go away if they tweak join in progress to not put you in new groups.
might not be too far from me then im not going to work b/c of a snowstorm as well lol. But yes, the issue with join in progress is it still matches you with new groups (you know because it won't display the progress if it's a new group).Quote:
Sorry for the confusion I might of caused and my own as well, with this snow storm were getting and the work I'm going to have to do within the next day or 2 is clouding my judgement.
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01-03-2014, 02:42 AMKyteStonesI believe you are wrong. How is it a full party, one person doesn't make it in when whole thing goes away and says "finding members" and every position is set back to unoccupied. I have also asked many times when this has happened if they were having the same queue issue during the join. I have never ran across anyone who said "yeah man that just happened to me like 8 times!" Its drops the whole party, then replaces them all over again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
I like the "Your Match Is Ready" being a out of game notification. very cool idea, but I disagree about your statement about a lock out timer. Should I punished for having to drop a group because the DPS is bad? or maybe we all wanna leave because the time limit on Titan EX was reached and theres 15 minutes left and not enough time to complete it. Why should I get a 30 minute timer? Yeah "vote to dismiss map" is coming. But it's not here right now. 30 minutes for leaving a duty? And you think I'm being unfair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
Also, calm down people jesus. Too many of you losing yourself. Its a discussion. Not a war. -
01-03-2014, 02:44 AMAlhanelemWait are you talking about members of your own formed party not clicking ready? Absolutely not. I'm not going to leave without someone just because they went afk for a minute. You aren't hurting anyone in the queue with this which is what this thread is supposed to be about. Are you really such a jerk to your party members that you would want to ditch them because they had to get up and use the restroom or get a drink (And if you want to do that, just kick them from the party then requeue)? Or am I still misunderstanding you? Because the only other thing what you're saying could be is what i said in my last post.Quote:
No, it looks like to me you misunderstood. When you register for a new duty, and the queue pop comes up and one member fails to ready before the 45 seconds are up, the whole group should not be dropped. I'm not talking about in the dungeon when someone leaves and its looking for new members.
And I'm upset because of your implication hat people who are not trying to cause trouble should be punished. Especially because there is a simple solution that will solve the problem without forcing a change in normal people's behavior or punishing anyone.
If you're talking about the duty status display: That thing is wrong pretty much all the time. For me it pretty much always shows nobody present right up to the second the duty is ready- this is even if I waited a really long time. Virtually every time it says "finding new member" it takes only seconds to get another even if i'd been waiting half an hour with the window showing 0/0/1. And whether it's right or wrong is actually beside the point, because all the same people are still in the queue and will just get re-matched when the new member is found.Quote:
I believe you are wrong. How is it a full party, one person doesn't make it in when whole thing goes away and says "finding members" and every position is set back to unoccupied.
@ the edit above: talking about things like everyone wanting to leave in a DF party will be addressed in an update so while yes, its not here yet, it is pointless to discuss because it is coming.
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01-03-2014, 03:13 AMnecrosisThen don't play the game if you can not pay attention. You are being an inconsiderate ass by letting the timer run out because you can not be bothered to keep tabs on something you signed up for. You are INTENTIONALLY FAILING TO RESPOND BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION. If you are bored waiting in line DONT WAIT IN LINE and screw over other. If you can not commit DO NOT SIGN UP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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01-03-2014, 04:56 AMRyios
Alt-Tab: What is this 2001? Get another monitor man :) lawl.
I agree that withdrawing from the commence popup should have a 3 minute wait. However if your in a full premade, Instead of giving a premade a popup to commence once the que is done, they should get a warning popup that the leader is registering for a que.
"Your party leader wants to register you for a duty (Insert Duty Here), do you accept? (Y/N)" Everyone has to click Y to be put in the que. Once the que pops, only the party leader should get the commence window. If he clicks withdrawal he should get a 3 minute wait. If he clicks commence, the entire group gets sucked in no matter what they are doing, as long as they were on the right job when registering for the duty, it will switch them.
The biggest problem I have with the DF and being in a premade, is there is always that one pita person who decided to cook up 10 stacks of food and wants to finish first, so they click withdrawal... etc. They should not be able to withdrawal at all, and if it was changed the way it was above it would work.