Holmgang PvE

Can somebody please tell me what the point in using Holmgang is outside of PvP (which i hear isnt as good as it should be) because its got a crap range of 6 yalms, and binds you and a target. Most targets (in dungeons) should be focused on you anyway. By the time you realize a stray enemy, its probably already out of 6 yalms distance.

Doesnt do much else.

And lets not discuss the Cooldown.

So really, whats the point? or do all classes get 1 useless skill?

Useful in WP when the Blob tries to chase other players. That's about it.

When the target does an AoE/attack that has a charge time, step to their side and use it. You still have the hate, but they are forced facing away so they don't attack anyone. I am sorry, this was really simple concept. Try using a little imagination here.

If you hit it in time, the whole not dying thing is handy.. It'll buy the healer a second to bene after roto, death sentence, hood swipe, etc.

Plus you cant die from it? Other than from special moves?

Well, thats why I asked. Thanks

4 stack MB on Titan EM, just an example. xD

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Originally Posted by MrDiezel

Can somebody please tell me what the point in using Holmgang is outside of PvP (which i hear isnt as good as it should be) because its got a crap range of 6 yalms, and binds you and a target. Most targets (in dungeons) should be focused on you anyway. By the time you realize a stray enemy, its probably already out of 6 yalms distance.

Doesnt do much else.

And lets not discuss the Cooldown.

So really, whats the point? or do all classes get 1 useless skill?

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simple use Holmgang in every fate boss fights where the boss is running or being kited to the point they can't cast aoe if they can't hit the kiter, this works wonder with gorgo or that cyclops in coerthas lol

Isnt it obvious? So you dont get one-shot by twintania even if you dont have any damage reduction on her or on you.

Holmgang is a great oh shiet is hitting the fan move, especially on bosses where the healers become overtaxed and your about to be out healed dpsed by the boss. Poping the move is the difference between a wipe and a win. Ask anybody on turn 1 how important that move is on keeping yourself alive long enough for the dps to limit break the boss when the snake has 8 stacks. There's no way your surviving that without a kill negation move.

You will survive by 1 HP if it's timed right. In theory, it has roughly the same utility as Hallowed ground in being able to survive damage that would have killed you. (say Caduceus or the Tonberry king) the double bind is good for mobs that change their aggro.

Basically echo what everyone else is saying. 2nd boss in WP, Caduceus and Titan. I haven't fought Twintania but I imagine it would be useful. Or just any situation you know "here I'm going to die" well you've just given your healers 6s to save the day.

3 Stack MB when Titan Ex gets the DET Up buff from adds, hits for 10k so Holmgang into Bene is pretty nice for that. Also for the transition into Twister/Dreadknight phase on Twin when I take over tanking so the PLD can chain stun Dreads, I like to use Holmgang for the first Death Sentance since everyone is still getting into position.

Just a word of warning though, after hitting the button it's about a 1/4 sec delay before the invuln pops up. Gotta premed those hits sometimes.

So its incredibly useful for End Game content (only lvl 47)

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Originally Posted by MrDiezel

Can somebody please tell me what the point in using Holmgang is outside of PvP (which i hear isnt as good as it should be) because its got a crap range of 6 yalms, and binds you and a target. Most targets (in dungeons) should be focused on you anyway. By the time you realize a stray enemy, its probably already out of 6 yalms distance.

Doesnt do much else.

And lets not discuss the Cooldown.

So really, whats the point? or do all classes get 1 useless skill?

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Just yesterday, it saved me from an otherwise lethal table flip during Titan as well as a lethal Moogle-Go-Round from Ruffletuff that I couldn't get out of in time on the account of being charmed and not having time to run out again. So yeah, pretty useful. ;)

We use it in phase 1 twintania. You get a big surge of LB bar when you heal someone with low health. Let tank drop to a few hundred HP, he pops it, goes to 1 HP, cure him back up and whalla, quarter of LB bar is filled or so.

Also good for titan table flip, death sentence, tanking with 5x liquid hell, maybe tonberrey king's Everybody's Grudge if you are undergeared, tanking a high-stack caudeceus, etc.

Also good for Bone Dragon in CT for the Eye move.

Saved me twice. Once in Ultima hard mode during ifrit phase, healer couldn't get to me popped Holm gang n survived a plume a hit and got a heal right after lol

When you are one hit away from dieing and you aren't sure your healers are going to make it. I have used it successfully a few times in Ultima HM during the laser phases. Especially with two whms.

Pulling the last wing in HM/HM all at once and hitting it when you plant your feet, gives the healers and yourself 6 seconds to get all the buffs up and spells rolling in.

Greetings,

As this is a discussion about Holmgang, I wanted to stop in and let you know that currently being knocked back while under the effects of Holmgang is in fact a bug. While we can't give a specific time frame as of yet, we will be correcting this so you are not knocked back when using it.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

As this is a discussion about Holmgang, I wanted to stop in and let you know that currently being knocked back while under the effects of Holmgang is in fact a bug. While we can't give a specific time frame as of yet, we will be correcting this so you are not knocked back when using it.

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Thank you very much. I mentioned this in another thread about PvP. WHMs can knock us MRD/WARs back after we have used Holmgang on them, therefore nullifying part of it's use. If you could also allow us to move if our target removes the effect, that would be appreciated as well.

Glad this is infact a bug, just happened to me >>. Also haven't tested it in PVP yet, but Marauder in PVP is fun :)!

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

As this is a discussion about Holmgang, I wanted to stop in and let you know that currently being knocked back while under the effects of Holmgang is in fact a bug. While we can't give a specific time frame as of yet, we will be correcting this so you are not knocked back when using it.

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I truly love how responsive the dev and community teams are. We're not even talking about Holmgang apparently losing the KB protection aspect, and they come tell us that Holmgang losing that functionality is a bug and that they're working on it.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

As this is a discussion about Holmgang, I wanted to stop in and let you know that currently being knocked back while under the effects of Holmgang is in fact a bug. While we can't give a specific time frame as of yet, we will be correcting this so you are not knocked back when using it.

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Oh, Camate. You're such a lovable poster. You almost always bring us good news. This time was no exception either. Please do me a favor and give birth to my manbaby. It will be a glorious behyurmoth, capable of trouncing with an axe for each horn.

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Originally Posted by Kitru

I truly love how responsive the dev and community teams are. We're not even talking about Holmgang apparently losing the KB protection aspect, and they come tell us that Holmgang losing that functionality is a bug and that they're working on it.

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The English reps are only translating what devs have posted in relevant threads that day in the JP community. In some cases what's being discussed in Japan isn't in line with what's being discussed here, so you'll occasionally get community rep responses that are barely (if at all) related to English threads.

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Originally Posted by Piddles

Glad this is infact a bug, just happened to me >>. Also haven't tested it in PVP yet, but Marauder in PVP is evil :)!

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Fixed. ;-;

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