Friend and I queue up, and sometimes we're waiting 45 minutes for ONE match, and this can happen again while waiting for the next match. Since Duty Finder is limited to each data center, I feel like the queues are way longer than they need to be.
Why not at least open up the PvP Duty Finder to all servers? Are there really just not enough people PvPing that it can take nearly an hour to find one match? I just don't buy that.
Please improve this in some way, SQEX. Waiting around for so long to actually take part in some of the game's content is really frustrating.
PvP Queue times are unacceptable.
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01-01-2014, 10:15 PMSazielPvP Queue times are unacceptable.
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01-02-2014, 01:12 AMRaijinkenXIII
You probably haven't figured it out yet but if you jump constantly, you will avoid most melee attacks and that's what everyone has been doing recently. Most players are staying away from PvP until it gets fixed.
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01-02-2014, 01:13 AMAlhanelem
No problems here. If you get stuck in the queue for a while, try re-queuing. Also if you and your friend are far apart in rank, it might slow down the matching process. Also matching will take longer at oddball times of day just like any other queue.
This is actually completely false. Abuse of this has been quite rare in my experience and I played 50 matches the other day, longest wait time was 5 minutes. There is not fewer people just because of this bug or the alleged imbalances. PvP seems especially active on world groups with legacy servers.Quote:
You probably haven't figured it out yet but if you jump constantly, you will avoid most melee attacks and that's what everyone has been doing recently. Most players are staying away from PvP until it gets fixed.
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01-02-2014, 01:20 AMLyniBecause this guy obviously sees what everyone sees in all matches everywhere. Hey guys lets make sure we take this guys post for every ounce of its worth!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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01-02-2014, 01:24 AMSaziel
I have seen the jumping abuse, and my friend and I do re-queue if it takes a while. She's rank 10, and I'm only a few matches away from 10 myself.
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01-02-2014, 01:26 AMMitskiNo reason to jump against a SMN. I play MNK, and 99% of people I pressure will jump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
You're funny. Jump/SMN are both broken, and both issues have been acknowledged by SE. The nerfs ARE coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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01-02-2014, 01:27 AMAlhanelemNobody said it doesn't exist at all. You are being a jerk and you know it. The quoted poster said "most people are doing this". I played LOTS of matches without seeing anybody doing it, so while it may be "SOME" people, it's clearly not MOST people. We all have different experiences. Just because my experience is different from yours, it doesn't mean it didn't happen.Quote:
Because this guy obviously sees what everyone sees in all matches everywhere. Hey guys lets make sure we take this guys post for every ounce of its worth!
Thanks, but I'm well aware of this. It hasn't stopped people from playing, though. Where in my post did I deny any of this?Quote:
You're funny. Jump/SMN are both broken, and both issues have been acknowledged by SE. The nerfs ARE coming.
I'm not looking at just myself you know. I know jumping doesn't affect casters. It does affect melee and there is *always* at least one melee in the party. I don't see anyone jumping to avoid his attacks. I suppose you're going to come up with some BS reason why people wouldn't jump for the PLD MRD or WAR but would jump for a monk.Quote:
No reason to jump against a SMN. I play MNK, and 99% of people I pressure will jump.
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01-02-2014, 01:36 AMLyniFooled me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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01-02-2014, 01:39 AMAlhanelemHow so? How does me citing my experience make me "stupid?" How does making reaosnable, logical statements make me stupid? How does acknowledging that the world does not center around me and that my experience is not necessarily = to your experience make me stupid? Everybody has different experiences. The issue I take is someone stating that something always happens when I can play the same content and see it happen rarely. Obviously it isn't either "almost none" or "almost everyone", but rather somewhere in between.Quote:
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I guess you're pretty easily fooled or something, because there's nothing particularly wrong with my post. So are the 6 people giving you likes. You could try replying without being insulting. -
01-02-2014, 01:46 AMHouston009People find MNKs/DRGs as more of a threat than PLD/MRD/WAR when it comes to burning Mages/Bards (yea, Bards do it too <.<)Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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01-02-2014, 01:51 AMAlhanelemIt's certainly not impossible that I'm just "lucky", but I truly, honestly don't see it much. I certainly never do it and the people I party with (usually) don't. I have seen it a few times, don't get me wrong. But it's not every match or anywhere close to it. But my main point before we got so sidetracked is that PvP is still quite alive and well and if someone is getting ridiculous queue times, there is probably some other reason than "ppl aren't doing it because this or that is broken." Because if everyone was getting 30 minute queue times, I definitely would not have been able to play as many matches as I said in my post. The jumping thing is definitely a major issue to address, but it hasn't stopped people from playing it as far as I can tell. Maybe my server group just has more PvP fans? I don't have the explanation there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Houston009
In XI a couple of servers maintained a Ballista community long after it died off on other servers, so a variance in popularity between server groups is certainly possible, but on the whole PvP here seems far more popular than it ever was in XI. -
01-02-2014, 02:07 AMRaijinkenXIIIThen perhaps you shouldn't say that what I said about most players waiting till it gets patched is completely false because there is no way for you to know what it is like on the other worlds...Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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01-02-2014, 02:15 AMAmyas
Yeah I tried queuing solo on my war last night to have a quick round, forgot about it and an hour later when I went to q for a dungeon it was still finding party with an indefinite average wait time. Figured it was because my rank is so low (4) and that everyone who was interested in pvp was too ranked up to fight.
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01-02-2014, 02:23 AMLyniGuess I wasn't the only one who caught that.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaijinkenXIII
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01-02-2014, 02:40 AMAlhanelemWhile there is a possibility of a greatly different climate, I don't believe (I stress 'believe' in this context- im not asserting it as fact) that it is so different that everyone except in my group is waiting because of the issues. Also, as I mentioned in my edit below, the original poster of this thread and I are in the same world group. If I'm not having trouble, he shouldn't be. We're both drawing from the same pool of players.Quote:
Then perhaps you shouldn't say that what I said about most players waiting till it gets patched is completely false because there is no way for you to know what it is like on the other worlds...
It's a very easy thing to assume "there ix XYZ issue therefore people aren't playing." But the answer is rarely so simple. there could be many factors. I have, on rare occasion, had to wait a very long time. But when it gets long, I usually re-queue and get a party soon after. I think the queue may get glitched out or something.
I'm sure there are "SOME" people who are avoiding it because of issues both real and percieved. But there are also "some" people who aren't phazed by this and will keep playng anyway. It's a stretch to peg the issue of one person complaining of long queue times on any one thing. That's why I declared it false ("Unlikely" would have been a better thing to say.), because there is a strong possibility of other things at work here:Quote:
Guess I wasn't the only one who caught that.
1) queuing at off peak times
2) Glitch with the DF queue (I have observed cases where my friends are playing matches left and right while I seem to be waiting much longer)
3) Lack of people playing a particular role (As can happen with any DF queue)
4) Partial decline of participants due to technical or other issues
5) Simple variance of popularity between different world groups
Depending on your circumstances you could experience any or none of these.
However, one thing everyone seems to have missed: Excalibur is in the same group as Hyperion. So 4) is not likely to be the issue because I am playing with the same group of people that the OP is. Thus my questioning earlier is still valid. I am rank 19 and have played matches at almost all hours of the day (except between around 4:30am and 11 am). -
01-02-2014, 03:46 AMSaziel
I love this game. I really do. I just dropped $30 on two more months. We're trying to do more PvP right now, and we've just been waiting for 30 minutes or more.
I want the game to be better. I'm all for being patient, but we're paying $10-15 a month to keep an active subscription, and then just to sit around for 45 minutes or more for 1 PvP match that lasts 2 minutes at the very most is kind of ridiculous. No, it doesn't always take this long to get into a match, but it does take this long the majority of the time for us.
If the Duty Finder was opened up to all data centers, there would be much less wait time in general for content. I want to play the game, not sit here for an hour.
Also, why do we have to wait so long for a fix on a serious issue? This jumping thing. Don't wait 2-3 weeks to do a maintenance. Do a hotfix immediately that disables jumping in PvP. -
01-02-2014, 05:26 AMAlhanelemAgain, I'm in your server group and I've rarely had to wait anywhere near that long. Are you queuing as 2 DPS (if you don't have a tank or healer you will be waiting longer just like any other queue)? Is there a great difference in rank between the two of you (this seems to be a very minor factor though as obvious rank differences are often visible)? are you trying to play at odd hours? There is likely an explanation other than "not as many people playing." I sympathize with your frustration, I really do. there are ways to help yourself along though:Quote:
I love this game. I really do. I just dropped $30 on two more months. We're trying to do more PvP right now, and we've just been waiting for 30 minutes or more.
1) If you're doing lv30 or lv50, try doing lv40 instead. The reason for it is unfortunate, but you will get matches faster. Also, try queuing for all 3 tiers. If you just want to play, this is a good way to speed up queue times.
2) Make sure Join in Progress is NOT checked, no PvP match ever lasts long enough for a disconnected/lost player to get replaced.
3) Make sure all languages are checked.
4) as mentioned before, queue with a tank or healer. (If PvP did not force team comps though and just matched anybody like it did in beta, matching would be almost instant for everybody)
5) This is just my experience but you will get faster queue times if you queue either alone, as a threesome, or as a premade party in lv40 cap (don't do premade lv50 unless you think you are really good, because the competition will be a lot tougher!) Again, this is an unfortunate side effect of the way people are currently behaving to maximize their XP/Mark earnings, but it will help you queue faster.
The simple fix (and it's probably not even that simple to do that because I doubt they set up the relevant code to be hooked into by other things to disable it) isn't always the best fix. Technically speaking jumping slows you down and thus it should be disadvantageous to jump. The jumping making you harder to hit is a *bug* properly and it is better that they fix the bug rather than bludgeon the issue with a sledgehammer by disabling it.Quote:
Also, why do we have to wait so long for a fix on a serious issue? This jumping thing. Don't wait 2-3 weeks to do a maintenance. Do a hotfix immediately that disables jumping in PvP.
Again, this isn't true. As I said several times, I haven't had long queue times. The people are out there. Between a dozen servers there is enough peope to play PvP. I could not have played 600+ matches in 2 weeks if "not that many people" wanted to do it. SE would have to give us the numbers but they estimated a 15% participation rate. It feels like it ended up being higher than that. More often than not I get a match within a minute or two. The Original Poster is on the same server group as me. The issue here does not appear to have anything to do with the number of people participating.Quote:
The main reason why the queue times are huge for pvp is that not many people actually want to do it.
Now I'll admit I've used them sometimes myself, but weasel words are being used way too much on this forum these days. "lots" "not many" "several" and other vague number-words mean little without context.
it's NOT the most valid reason. There are more than enough people playing it. Poplarity is not a good explanation of why I get queues within minutes but the OP is taking much longer.Quote:
This is the most valid reason. Maybe if it was somewhat balanced and had an easier entrance for new players it would be popular, but right now it's just a treadmill with nothing the look toward to other than using that top tier gear and skill unlocks to absolutely dominate new people, ensuring they don't stick with it.
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01-02-2014, 06:18 AMRhysati
The main reason why the queue times are huge for pvp is that not many people actually want to do it.
Why? Well, I'm someone that did tons of PvP in WoW, SWTOR, and lots of MOBA stuff. I rather enjoy PvP. However, the PvP in this game is limited to a 4v4 arena deathmatch mode and has little real point to it. That's why I choose not to even bother in this game. -
01-02-2014, 06:28 AMDreadlockrastaThis is the most valid reason. Maybe if it was somewhat balanced and had an easier entrance for new players it would be popular, but right now it's just a treadmill with nothing the look toward to other than using that top tier gear and skill unlocks to absolutely dominate new people, ensuring they don't stick with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhysati