limit break building nerf

This nerf is pretty terrible on duty finder titan hard. I usually have 2 classes doubled up, so we barley make lb1 for heart. or we can auto attack for what seems like forever now because the build is so slow. a terrible nerf to people who get stuck with parties that have 3 of 1 class.

titan hard is bad enough on DF, now its even worse.

quick edit - people saying go in full DL, or this or that. i know premades/party finder/FC can take down titan HM. in Duty Finder titan HM though, this nerf is a killer on top of a low ilvl req that people try and do it with the bare minimum. I'm not saying titan HM is impossible, but for a DF titan it is now a joke on top of a prayer that you get a group that can kill it with no LB.

The nerf only affects building up Second/Third bar, it has no effect on the first.

On the other hand the LB bar no longer stops for a long time when the first and second bar are filled. Thus the nerf was complimented by a buff.

It's pretty stupid that they nerfed the limit break in this manner without putting any controls on the duty finder. At least in a premade, you know what you're getting yourself into. That said, this nerf was idiotic and should never have happened. Punishing people for wanting to play the class they like and with their friends? Yeah, great way to run an MMO.

i was lucky enough to get a DF party with 1 of every class, we hit lb 2 without even trying before the heart phase. but every other time with a double class pt get to LB1 for heart. i know its possible to break heart with LB1, but people still insist on auto attacking to get to 2 and thus taking even longer to just wipe in DF. this nerf really hurts chances of beating HM titan pretty bad in DF

While I agree that this change is tough to get used to watch the fight for perhaps undocumented changes that may provide a way around the full LB bar. For example I did not notice until recently that you no longer have to kill all the nails in Ifrit HM in order to keep from wiping the party. The nails act more like Garuda's pillars in reverse. The more you knock down the less damage you take. This is good because since it is very difficult to get even a 2 bar LB by nails the AoE is not large enough to hit them all. I do not do Titan HM a lot but those that do might see if some similar change has been made on that fight.

The whole "let's sit there autoattacking for two minutes to build limitbreak!" thing is incredibly annoying, tedious, and un-fun, particularly for healers who have to sit there healing through damage while the boss's HP doesn't move. It really needs to just be killed entirely. If a group is completely incapable of taking out the heart without stalling for a couple minutes on every pull to build LB, they are undergeared and should not be in the duty.

I used to occasionally jump into Titan HM on the DF when bored to help people out, but after repeatedly getting groups who insist upon building LB when they can't even get to the heart phase in the first place I quickly learned to stop doing that.

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Originally Posted by Ninix

The whole "let's sit there autoattacking for two minutes to build limitbreak!" thing is incredibly annoying, tedious, and un-fun, If a group is completely incapable of taking out the heart without stalling for a couple minutes on every pull to build LB, they are undergeared and should not be in the duty.

I used to occasionally jump into Titan HM on the DF when bored to help people out, but after repeatedly getting groups who insist upon building LB when they can't even get to the heart phase in the first place I quickly learned to stop doing that.

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^this! you should be able to kill it with LB1 and ive gotten groups that can do it because yes they are geared enough. it really bugs me also that so many people suggest building it when yeah its just more of a strain on healers and more chances for people to mess up not standing in bad. i really wish the min ilevel was at least 60... 57 is a joke.

and there are no concessions for titan HM. heart is at 1% its a wipe...

In all actuality you should be killing the heart without even LB1 lol.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

In all actuality you should be killing the heart without even LB1 lol.

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This has nothing to do with time, everybody plays at their own pace. However a good party should be able to get it down without LB1 in full Darklight gear. If you are prepared for this fight, and you are struggling, it is not because of LB. If your DPS is so low your healers will suffer at the end of the fight as well.

Tell your melee DPSs to just auto attack until the heart phase with buffs and an occasional DoT. That's what we did on our last run and we had a full 2 bars at the start of the heart phase with two MNKs and a DRG.

On an unrelated note, I was running Praetorium last night with a guy taking a while to watch the cutscenes. Anyway, while we were waiting for him we were sitting in the room where you fight Nero. I heard the chime of a LB bar filling up even though we weren't in combat, and I noticed that the LB bar was filling itself up rather slowly over time. Don't know if this happens in other areas or not or if this was a bug specific to this encounter.

Had an iffrit the other day that was painful, so many double classes we couldn't get the limit break up in time for the nails. :P Any advice about how to build it up post nerf was met with "you suck noobs". :P

For the ifrit question, eat eruptions. Seriously that's not a joke. During the fight if you have 100% hp eat a plume/eruption from time to time. Before you get to the nails hold dps to auto attacks. Should be able to do it with lb2 or do it longer if you need lb3

For titan... I gave up. ilvl 65 smn and spent every day since 2.1 trying to down him in a DF group for my relic quest. Only one group even took out the heart. Just quit the relic quest today and gave up. Would rather level alts

you dont need a limit break to kill the heart in titan or the nails in ifrit. people just like ez mode. if you cant coordinate your group to focus fire on nails going clockwise or you cant get your group to save its offensive CD's to burn the heart down, then an LB probably isnt going to help much either

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Originally Posted by Orophin

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Thats because you're technically designated as "in-combat" for most of that dungeon. Limit will build on its own as long as you are desginated as "in-combat"; for instance you can observe the same phenomenon in Coil Turn 2.

Yea I thought it was kind of funny, SE announces penalties for stacking multiple classes, yet I don't remember seeing so many stacked classes from DF. Probably just because they mentioned it so I started noticing, but not even the DF will get it right, so why continue with the penalty?

As to LB building, from my understanding there are a lot contributing factors, but some contribute more than others. For instance, the auto-attack phase is building LB from Tank taking damage. Supposedly other high contributing factors are clutch heals (saving from 10-20% health), critical attacks from DPS classes, and interrupting special attacks (ones that can be, anyways. could also explain why LB2 is harder for Ifrit nails since not every erruption is getting stunned anymore).

people who say you should be able to kill titan heart with lb1, please try and do that with an avg item level of 57, which a lot of people have when they try it in DF. like i said i wish they had a higher ilvl requirement, but right now its way to low to do with without lb1/lb2.

also i know its possible to build lb from auto attacking, but now that it takes 2-3x longer every time just for your DF group to wipe its a touch more frustrating. it just seems like a pointless nerf. its so hard not to stack classes with the amount classes to choose from right now. you dont have 1 of each, why do you get penalized so harshly in a duty finder.

Get people with better gear, it takes no time at all to get darklight now and it's a whole load easier than sitting there auto-attacking for a lb gauge.

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Originally Posted by Vektrat

This has nothing to do with time, everybody plays at their own pace. However a good party should be able to get it down without LB1 in full Darklight gear. If you are prepared for this fight, and you are struggling, it is not because of LB. If your DPS is so low your healers will suffer at the end of the fight as well.

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yeh In FULL DL gear which means ppl would have to have item lv 70 but is not the case cuz the requirement is item Lv 57 and Party finder ppl usually put 60,65.

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Originally Posted by Muzy

The nerf only affects building up Second/Third bar, it has no effect on the first.

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Exactly the point on the table cuz with a party with not much DPS you need at least 2 bars to kill a Heart.

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Originally Posted by Ronyx

yeh In FULL DL gear which means ppl would have to have item lv 70 but is not the case cuz the requirement is item Lv 57 and Party finder ppl usually put 60,65.

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You don't need full DL gear. Maybe 2-3 DL gears and 1-2 CT gears. And the rest AK + WP gear. And maybe also a Garuda or Moogle weapon if you are lucky.

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Originally Posted by Ronyx

yeh In FULL DL gear which means ppl would have to have item lv 70 but is not the case cuz the requirement is item Lv 57 and Party finder ppl usually put 60,65.

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If they want to put the minimum amount of effort into it, sure. At that point they have nobody to blame but themselves.

Out of respect for my party I did my dragoon's relic titan kill in full DL gear in the duty finder.

The nerf was unnecessary and not needed, please remove the nerf.

For people struggling with Titan -

Use the party finder feature to insure your party are realtively geared. (I got my first relic via DF. Pure luck that my party knew what to do)
If people are dying then they either can't avoid AOE or they aren't geared enough to eat the tumults.
Healers shouldn't have to cast a direct cure on anyone apart from the tank. Everyone else should only require medica / II and Succor.
If the tank is eating every bomb he's doing it wrong. At ilevel 85 I still avoid bombs. You get sweet spots - use them!
The heart phase doesn't need a LB but it does help. Destroy the first gaol and ignore the 2nd. Save all Damage buffs for that moment. Heck use a DEX/STR potion if you want a 15s buff.
Use food. 2.1 came with the greatest buff - not losing food benefits after death.

Titan isn't as hard as it's made out. Learn the rotation and you'll be golden :)

Which DF dungeon exactly requires a Lv 2 / Lv 3 LB?

Uhm, I'm confused about the OP. If you don't have a full LB1 by the time you reach the heart phase, isn't your party horribly overgeared and dpsing superfast, to the point where you shouldn't need LB1 on the heart phase?

Also, LB1 still charges as normall, it's only the LB2 and LB3 bars that charge slower when you have identical jobs on the roster.

I know Ifrit HM struggles are gonna make people 'lawl nub' but with the stun resistance building much faster now and the LB build nerf on unfortunately randomized DF parties, it's kinda hard now to do with the people gear range it's aimed for. =/ The LB nerf makes getting a LB3 that much harder and since the stun resistance builds faster, there are less successful stuns to jumpstart the gauge. You don't need LB3 sure, but when you've got people queuing in basic AF like was normally accepted, it's not a walk in the park.

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Originally Posted by Parodine

I know Ifrit HM struggles are gonna make people 'lawl nub' but with the stun resistance building much faster now and the LB build nerf on unfortunately randomized DF parties, it's kinda hard now to do with the people gear range it's aimed for. =/ The LB nerf makes getting a LB3 that much harder and since the stun resistance builds faster, there are less successful stuns to jumpstart the gauge. You don't need LB3 sure, but when you've got people queuing in basic AF like was normally accepted, it's not a walk in the park.

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Again like with the Titan heart phase LB1 supposedly being necessary, isn't your party overgeared if you can't make it to LB1 or LB2 on Ifrit by the point the nails show up? It's usually sufficient to LB1/2 one of the nails (or 2-3 of them if you have a caster dps in the party) and quickly dps them down in order. Plus, isn't the tank LB2 already sufficient to survive Ifrit's blast in a pinch?

Nooo! It's so... weird!

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Originally Posted by Vivejun

people who say you should be able to kill titan heart with lb1, please try and do that with an avg item level of 57, which a lot of people have when they try it in DF. like i said i wish they had a higher ilvl requirement, but right now its way to low to do with without lb1/lb2.

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Did your 2 healer and OT go DPS during heart phase, as in healer in Cleric Stance on/off to heal/dps and tank go Sword Oath/no Defiance? The difference between iLvl 57 and iLvl 90 is not that much, not as much as people trying to make it out as. 8 ppl iLvl 57 should have enough DPS compared to 5 ppl iLvl 90, and people already killed it with 5 ppl only at iLvl 80ish, without LB. Not to mention that there should be a whole lot of bored iLvl 90 DFing Titan HM, unless that's the difference between JP server and Western server. FYI I did 8 out of 9 Relic in DF.