That's IT for the Mining Quests!? CEREAL!? - erm...spoils?-

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I am sourly disappointed in the Miner quest line! It was much more enjoyable in 1.X!

Ever since doing the miner quests in 1.x, I've been asking about my favorite little lalafell twins to my FC (But we don't spoil one another, and I even refrained from checking websites) to find out if they make a return, and each miner quest was filled with hope then disappointment as they didn't show.

And then there was that last quest...

And they had so little screen time, and so little interaction with us that it was frustratingly sad. The new players of 2.X now have no idea what these little lalafells are really like! Throwing people out of bars, boobytrapping their sister's fiance (though accidentally getting her), trying to out-flex each other...these npc's are better than Hildibrand imho!

I know they're just minor npc's (<-no pun intended) But they were my fav's in 1.X. Isn't anyone else at least a little upset at their lackluster involvement? :/

*sigh* I guess the only thing I can do is sit tight and hope for more Miner Quests...

P.S. This doesn't make me love the game any less...I was just sad at the lack of lalafell twins T_T
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P.S.S. DEVS! WHAT DID YOU DO TO MY LALAFELL MINER TWIN HETEROCHROMIA EYES!?

1.X
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3.X
Still wishing for more love for them! Here's hoping! I can forgive the eyes if you bring them back again T_T (PS Just started lvl 53 miner quest....so crossing my pickaxes)

A roegadyn ate them.

They's not gone just have much less 'screentime' than they once had. T_T They deserve more.

They were pretty badass; chucking people out of the Mineral Concern face-first and all.

Strong little buggers! Again, they need to make a return!

I wonder if they're in any other quests currently...

I faced the same disappointment in the Weaver quest lines, which makes me want to find videos of the Hand/Land quests I missed! What a step down! And Weaver 2.0, disappointing as it was, happened to be one of the better crafting quest lines I did lol. I would've been totally happy with some copy-pasta of the old ones. :(

I just got lvl 50 Miner this week and I agree. I honestly don't even remember much of the story aside from foraging guild papers, old friendships/rivalries. I was hoping for something...more memorable. I like Botany's a bit more, but not by much.

Pretty much all the class/job quests are terrible.
And lack any semblance of subtlety. And make the player out to be a sodding moron.

Seriously. I know full well who the 'Ballad of the Vainglorious Fool' is about. I know what the 'pinnacle of alchemical research' leads to. I know who Jade Fox is. And I know who let the bloody Poacher go.
Stop giving obvious 'clues' and then acting like it's such a huge revelation when you finally outright say it.
:-/

And don't get me started on the fool that was all, "This is no place for a Carpenter!" despite the fact I'm also being a level 5Ø bard. >_>

Alchemy questline was the only decent one. I do sometimes wonder what happened to the comma kid from the 1.0 story.

They ripped the blacksmith/armorer guildmaster into the main story (He was amazing in 1.0) so he still has a place at least.

Botany was about as lame as 1.0 Botany...

I agree. I miss Nenekko... She was my waifu... :C

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This pic is way better!

DoL quests felt like an extended tutorial rather than an actual quest line.

I have this hate/love relation with the current DoH/DoL quests. But I can only speak for the miner and blacksmith quests.

For the blacksmith one:

I loved the old senile and pervert lalafell as a guildmaster. He was so much more entertaining that the current one. Although he's still a somewhat important npc for Pharos Sirius. But I loved doing the bsm quests in 1.0.

Miner:

Same opinion as OP. I miss the lalafell twins and their sister. They were awesome beyond words.

I had the exact same experience with the Culinarian questline (and Pulmia and Prudentia were delightful - they're still in the Bismark, but that's it. /sadface). The 1.0 CUL quests were fantastic. The ARR version were so bad that I forgot to do the last few until long after I had hit 50.

It's just one among many things that went downhill with ARR.

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Originally Posted by Reyn

I would've been totally happy with some copy-pasta of the old ones. :(

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Would not worked. In 1.0 the class quests were at 20, 30 and 36. In ARR we have every 5 levels a class quest.
Only the job quests are copy/pasted, because the amount of quests are the same.

In ARR the class quests are more about the work in the guilds and less about the people in the guilds.

Which is kind of sad, because the npc's really made doing the guild quests really worth it and fun. I know a lot of people just do the quests because of the gear/xp/gil, but this is still a Final Fantasy game. I wish the "story" and "personality" of the quests hadn't taken such a hit.

I just hope in the future they're able to work with the great personalities that they gave these npc's (apparently in more than just the miner's guild) and branch from there, instead of letting the characters just fade off in the background. These npc's actually made me want to take my time out to carefully read the quests!

I want to be able to care about more than just the "main protagonists". I'd love to do silly errands that involve pranks and tricks and parties (Wasn't there a quest that had some party-goers or something in the armory quest or whatever (I wasn't able to finish mine in time)?)

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Originally Posted by Spy

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*GASP!*
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I have been wondering what happened to those two! Darn, I wish I hadn't clicked on this but at the very least, I am glad they just didn't completely vanish. Let's hope they get more screentime in the near future.

Below are two images I captured of the twins during 1.0.

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SE stated they would involve quests that would clear up a lot of the 1.0 storylines. Well the Lalafell Twins are back (sorta), Greinfarr is part of the Blacksmith questline, F'lhaminn is back with the new storyline with Minfilia. Basically for newer players, the DoH/DoL questlines in 1.0 involved Lore and weren't just fetch quests.

I am with the OP here, I loved the miner twins. Who were in more than just the miner quests in 1.0, for the record.

But I'm of two minds here. On the one hand, I completely agree that so many of the quests are yawn-tastic groanfests in ARR. Yes Serendipity, we know exactly who the bad guy here is... etc. Oh, there's a Grand Inquisitor in the Ishgard section of the quest line? I'm sure he's definitely not corrupt and we won't have to fight him later, simply by knowing that they named him "Grand Inquisitor". GG, SE.

But at the same time, many of the quests in 1.0 were much worse. Much, much worse. The worst for me were always the Archer (not Bard) quests in 1.0. You get assigned a NPC "partner" at the beginning of the questline, and are told how important it is for Archers to have partners, to always think of their partner first, to develop a relationship with your partner, and so forth...

...and then, FOR THE REST OF THE QUESTLINE, the entire story is your partner talking about how cool her LAST partner was, how much she misses her LAST partner, skipping out on quests with you, etc. It's like, excuse me, I'm standing right here, you disrespectful NPC!

Which, in a nutshell, was the problem with almost all of 1.0's quests. Almost none of the NPC's talked to YOU. They talked to EACH OTHER. And then they looked over at you, noticed you were standing there, and were like, "Oh... um... this is awkward... here, go have an instance, and leave us alone, kthx."

With Tam tara HM's story, it give me hope that these two and their sister will return...though I know Edda and her gang are 2.0 npc's...please please PLEASE SE! Bring them back!! As well as all the other awesome guild npc's!

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(I know I'm necrobumping, but I don't care T_T I want my twins back!)

I didn't mind the storyline in 2.0 but the 1.0 miner storyline had its own merits.
=D maybe they'll bring them back in the future!? T_T Maybe...<_< dang it, hope springs eternal!!

Personally, I'd really like it if they added the 'flower girls' back into the Miners Guild. T_T
There was even a huge thread in the 1.0 forums begging SE not to remove them in 2.0 and ...and they still removed them!! -weeps!!-

Are there videos of the old 1.0 DoL/DoH quests? I capped DoW/DoM in 1.0 but I didn't touch crafting and gathering so I missed these quests and their associated paraphernalia (including star-spangled subligar ; ;).

Why must you bring up old pains.

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

I agree. I miss Nenekko... She was my waifu... :C

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Man I miss 1.0 character/gear texture and lighting. Look at all those details.

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Are there videos of the old 1.0 DoL/DoH quests? I capped DoW/DoM in 1.0 but I didn't touch crafting and gathering so I missed these quests and their associated paraphernalia (including star-spangled subligar ; ;).

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This is a nice little playlist

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Originally Posted by Rylock

Why must you bring up old pains.

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Because if I don't, I feel like I can't help inspire square to bring them back to their former glory. I want Square to know that I miss my awesome Lala's and you miss their sister (as is plane as day by your sig XD)...and as I can see, I'm not alone XD

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Man I miss 1.0 character/gear texture and lighting. Look at all those details.

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I don't miss the lighting of 1.0. Look at how bad that looks!

Those barrels are illuminated from a non-existent light source. They just have a bright spot on them in the "shadow" of a building. That isn't how light works, Eorzea!

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I don't miss the lighting of 1.0. Look at how bad that looks!

Those barrels are illuminated from a non-existent light source. They just have a bright spot on them in the "shadow" of a building. That isn't how light works, Eorzea!

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Yyeahh and that building has no shadow at all. 2.0's lighting is leaps and bounds above 1.0's (it actually has dynamic lighting and shadows).

Those textures and models in 1.0 were pretty, but I really don't notice the difference from them and the 2.0 ones so much outside of cutscenes. Some of the scaled down clothing textures do make me cringe, though (that Roegadyn NPC's shirt from the CT storyline...).

But then the quests wouldn't fit the script that nearly all the other quests have:

Get me X number of things.
This guy/girl doesn't like you for [Reasons] and or your guild leader doesn't like you for [Reasons]
Work with this guy/girl that doesn't like you for [Reasons] and bring me X number of things.
Make peace with guy/girl that doesn't like you for [Reasons] and bring me X number of special things.
You are a winner, number one. Everyone loves you.

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

I don't miss the lighting of 1.0. Look at how bad that looks!

Those barrels are illuminated from a non-existent light source. They just have a bright spot on them in the "shadow" of a building. That isn't how light works, Eorzea!

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I was more speaking about the characters and gear specifically. Individual object lighting was great, mostly in part to the high res speculars, but you're totally right about dynamic interaction. Nothing really effected anything else.

I'm sorry though, I'm leading the conversation off topic. Back to the (l/h)and quests. My guess is they simply didn't have enough time to commit to making particularly strong storylines for ARR. The characters are fine for the most part, but shoving the old craftsmen to the side ultimately seems like pointless busywork. None of the new folk have much in terms of overall relevancy or impact outside a few gimmick in mannerisms. Then again, I am only speaking as someone who only just completed all the level 30 hand and level 35 land quests, so take what I say with a healthy dose of salt.

Well at least we can agree the 2.0 Carpenter quests are better *laughs* *side glowers at those damned kids*

I was in love with the 1.0 Goldsmith story... I was so very joyful when we got to see a small continuation with the F'lhaminn quest (Getting her earring fixed) but its not quite the same.

I hope future mail moogle quests see us revisit characters like the Twins.

I feel like I missed something wonderful...

WHY DID THEY CHANGE THEIR EYES!?

Frankly I don't know why SE changed the story/lore around classes and jobs. There is nothing about the new lore that in any way contradicts, or even really conflicts with the old lore. I loved the old stories, the lore was just so much more palpable and rich and when surprises came, they were genuinely "wtf just happened" surprises. (A Fruitful Murder for example was a gigantic mind**** for me on weaver, and Something in the Soup was a really weird one for CUL.) I also loved the elementals/wildlings story in the Conjurer quest lines, and I'm pissed off that I never found out who that Conjurer was from Coerthas before he was taken by the elementals and lost his memory! I loved Nenekko and I wish she would make a reappearance and the lead excavator at one of the Sil'dih ruins!

Heck, some of the things even fill in plot holes created when the ARR storyline phased them out, like Oha-Sok explaining literally everything about the fall of Amdapor and the 6th umbral disaster, and subsequently the rise of the Gelmorran civilization in its wake.

Yeah, I've had a hard time accepting the new DoH/L quests, so much so that I've only been able to bring myself to finish about half of them despite having all 50's in those classes since 1.xx and of the 5 or 6 I've done, almost all of them were for the tools, not really caring about the quests themselves. I think most people just buy (I mean what the hell..? What happened to the non tradeable quest and leve only items of old, the things that ensured you actually earned that completion and reward?) the items they need to hand in and skip all the dialogue and cutscenes.

I do appreciate the fact that you now get a nice close up view of the items you make, including the non equipment items that you can't really see anywhere else. That gives those items a lot more weight, really makes them feel real and like you really did something cool.

But it doesn't make up for the the butchery they've done to the stories and characters.

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I...I...I'M SO HAPPY!!! THIS IS OFFICIALLY MY FAVORITE PATCH!!! MY LALAFELL TWINS HAVE RETURNED!! :D

I just began my lvl 53+ Miner quests.. still hoping they make more of an appearance (Though not holding my breath)

And don't tell me if they are or not XD I want to be surprised or sadly not surprised when the time comes.

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And if they AREN'T...I still will plead for their return! I mean come ON! They were too amazing NPC's NOT to reuse!