SE: Ban RMT by checking blacklist counts

I think a good way to ban RMT is to check how many people blacklisted a certain player. If it's like 100 or more people with that player on their blacklist - they should get the ban. I mean, if someone goes into town and starts shouting spam over and over - everyone is going to blacklist them and it won't take too long before the numbers add up.

I joined a new server this weekend and I already have dozen people on my black list - it's ridiculous. If there is a way to count how many times a player is put on a blacklist, it would be nice to use that to suspend accounts. If there is not a system in place, I think utilizing a feature like this would be a good place to start.

The only downside would be if someone was really hated that people could convince enough people to blacklist them to get the ban, but I don't see this happening.

Do know some accounts are compromised so banning through blacklist is the wrong way to go about it. People also blacklist those who spam emotes regularly as well.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Do know some accounts are compromised so banning through blacklist is the wrong way to go about it. People also blacklist those who spam emotes regularly as well.

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I would hazard to say most (if not all) of the spam tells are from compromised accounts.
This is why we should always use the authenticator and use a decent password.
It also helps to have your SE account name to not be your in-game name.

if people's accounts get compromised then its their fault and the ban is warranted imo. they were either

A. giving out their info to people which is a violation of the TOS and ban worthy

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B. browsing websites with keyloggers, which are most typically the sites that sell bots and gil, and while just looking in itself isnt a bannable offense, people should take more care with their internet browsing and security, so i have no sympathy if they get an unwarranted ban, if it was really an accident they should be able to get the account back

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C. they actually purchased something through RMT and were stupid enough to give the account info to the RMT'ers, BAN HAMMER WARRANTED

case and point, dont be stupid and your account wont get compromised, i fully support the OP's suggestion, my blacklist is still full of gil sellers that i put on there in the first week of early access. and honestly, whether they are RMT or not, there should be a punishment for getting blacklisted too many times. if you are a legit player and on more than one person's blist you are most like a toxic member of the community that is better off banned

Until I hear word form SE that the session ID issue has been fixed, I will be sympathetic unless proven otherwise.

Another dumb idea, what happens when a large FC with 300 player dont like another FC and they get all their member to then blacklist every member from the FC they dont like? Chaos...

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Originally Posted by AmandaHuggenkiss

I would hazard to say most (if not all) of the spam tells are from compromised accounts.
This is why we should always use the authenticator and use a decent password.
It also helps to have your SE account name to not be your in-game name.

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Nah, my whole list is from people with names like "Zisondzxosdn Djinknkj and Ckndfosioanio Szxznonkd"

Don't just blacklist them, report them.
They will get dealt with.
We have some of the nicest GM's I have ever met.

(Yes, I have talked to quite a few of them in tells.)

Then an FC with many members that did not like someone could add people they wanted banned to their blacklist. The possibility of abuse would be great and many people would end up getting banned unrelated to RMT.

Maybe add a certain time window like 200 blacklists in 24 hours. I mean, if there are reports of a FC blacklisting another FC, there should be server logs of it and it can be used to punish anyone abusing the system. There will always be ways to manipulate the system, but a normal player playing the game and using features as intended should not affected by it. If you do something so lousy that 200 people come together and want to blacklist you - then you fudged up bad and need to rethink your play style.

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Originally Posted by LilPhist

Then an FC with many members that did not like someone could add people they wanted banned to their blacklist. The possibility of abuse would be great and many people would end up getting banned unrelated to RMT.

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Who needs a FC to do this?
I can see reddit or some other forum being used...

There are no rules for blacklisting someone. You can do it as much as you want, freely, for any reasonn or none, without any justification.
It has noting to do with ToS. It cannot have anything to do with banning people.


On the other hand, reporting someone has everything to do with ToS.
It has already been suggested time and again to have a temporary auto-ban on people who have been reported by [instert a fixed number] people, to remove the probable offender temporary from the server, and give time to SE to check to make sure this person indeed violates the ToS.

Considering that the report function is so impractical that many people (me included) have stopped reporting offenders, an easier way to report someone would need to be added into the game, but the auto-ban could have some use regardless.

Considering that some claim they have been reporting bot users for months without any result, it is possible that SE is too inneficient to investigate reported people in a timely manner, which would make the temporary auto-ban impossible to implement (the "temporary ban" should be short, because if the person happens to be innocent, they should not be kept from the game they are paying for).

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Originally Posted by Uriahnool

Nah, my whole list is from people with names like "Zisondzxosdn Djinknkj and Ckndfosioanio Szxznonkd"

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Calling people out by name, you're gonna get banned from the forum!!

I think it would be great to disable their account (at least tells/shouts/yells) if it reaches a certain blacklist number, but banning would be open season for abuse.

Seems easy if S.E goes after gil buyers. They won't waste their time making accounts over and over again and relvl everything.

Make it like vote kick where you have to select a reason for the blacklist and include "RMT/Gilselling" as a choice. Boom, auto report. How nice! I mean we're trying to balance getting rid of these people who are ruining most players' enjoyment vs. still getting to play the game and reporting every gilseller eventually adds up to a serious loss of game time as well as loss of immersion. I have reported almost every gilseller and I remain disgusted by how much time I've thrown out the window to do so. When it comes right down to it, I'd rather have gilsellers out of the game than the couple minutes or so it takes to report each one of them. But even nicer if this didn't represent a sacrifice on the part of players at all.

I just don't understand how the accounts NAMED after a certain gold-selling website are still active. >_>
You'd think that'd be an auto-flag.

As for banning by blacklist, I don't necessarily agree with that. I do think that everytime someone blacklists a user though, a log should be kept of the last message that user sent. If a player is blacklisted rapidly in succession by various other players, it should trigger a review of the chat logs associated with each instance of blacklisting.