Garuda's Wicked Wheel.

Hi guys :D

I'm wanting to know if there's any particular rotation/animation from Garuda that will tell me when she and her sister is about to perform WW? I've just this week started the extreme primals, and although I've beaten her a few times, I'm left feeling really anxious throughout the entire fight because of this specific attack. At present, I am spamming Aldo on the tank, whilst keeping lustrates back to immediately top up the tanks health. I just feel as though there could be a better indicator for when she + her sister is about to perform wicked wheel so that I'm totally ready?

I had a tank earlier that kept dying, and although I was poised and ready, we kept wiping because he was literally getting 1 shotted. I'm not sure whether it was my fault, or the tank getting hit by slipstream too?

Any help would be appreciated =3

Friction is what I look out for on the first sisters; friction > hit > wheel. But on subsequent sisters it can happen right as they are casting friction; makes it complicated, but that's the one to watch for. Fric-WHICKED WHEEL-tion.

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Originally Posted by Peptaru

Friction is what I look out for on the first sisters; friction > hit > wheel. But on subsequent sisters it can happen right as they are casting friction; makes it complicated, but that's the one to watch for. Fric-WHICKED WHEEL-tion.

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Thanks a bunch! I really appreciate that. The next time I do a run, I'll look out for it =)

Yeah. I've also noticed that they will wicked wheel right after friction, but not always. I'm just keeping the tank topped and galvanized, which isn't really hard.

It's also important for the tank to utilize his/her CDs to better handle wheel. It's an attack designed to two-shot tanks and one-shot everyone else.

Ground targeted Friction -> frontal cone whatever it's called -> Wicked Wheel. Do remember that if the last sister dies after Friction, Wicked Wheel will not be cast. Also, tell the tank to use a defensive cooldown after Friction; the burst the tank will be getting after Friction is higher than Mountain Buster. Using Virus on Garuda after Friction also helps.

Its the tanks fault actually, its meant to be a tank one shot mechanic. I'm not sure what exactly they do, but a MT in my FC was explaining it before and I kind of zoned out. I still like keeping SS or adloq up on main tank through fight though to help just in case there's an oops moment.

If you can see it, there's actually a target reticle placed on the tank right before she does Wicked Wheel. It looks similar to the symbol that you can receive from other various fights. (Orbs from Chimera, Focus target from Flan in WP)

What you can do if you got problems to predict it.

As a Sch you cast E4E on the tank as he binds Garuda and Red. This will most like have them debuffed as they launch into the air. Since their skills will be synchronized after that any reduction is good. While they are in the air pull any Seline buffs (at least healbuff for bigger shields) Throw a virus on garuda (or Red via Tanks target if you dont want to switch targets) Arround the time Green goes down (depending on your group´s dps a bit earlier) drop a bubble. If the tank throws in a CD he will get down to 50% only even if garuda hits critical. With a crit shield up he doesnt get damage at all. Scholars CD´s are short enough to do this each round.

Heres my observation as mt in garuda,

if ur party is attacking chirada first and dps is good garuda and suparna will jump before using wicked wheel so healers have time for stoneskin and adlo and tanks can orepare to use cd,

if ur party is attacking suparna first wheel always come after friction because garuda and suparna wont jump

try it out

Just some observations about Wicked Wheel from trying to best Garuda Extreme:

It seems that Garuda and Suprana are the only ones that use Wicked Wheel. I think the recommended strategy would be for MT to pull Garuda and Chirada, and OT pull Suprana, so that one tank is not getting double whacked with WW. Most parties tend to have OT pull Chirada, so the MT is eating 2 WW. The wildcard in this is Melee DPS. It's easier for OT and Melee DPS to take out Chirada without having to worry about wicked wheel, I suppose this would be OK with well geared PLD MT, but it's not always the case. Wicked Wheel is completely avoidable by Melee DPS, which leads me to think that it's really best to split Suprana and Garuda so as to not one-shot the MT (whether you have all ranged party or not). The attack order is Slipstream>Friction>Downburst>Wicked Wheel. Melee needs to run to the center, or to the side with ranged during tornado phase. DRG can throw Piercing Talon, though I don't know if Monk has any ranged moves like that. If MNK does not have a ranged, then I guess OT pulling Chirada and MT eating 2 WW would be the only way to go, because Melee DPS should not be running through tornadoes, and they will not have room to avoid WW during the tornado phase unless standing by the ranged.

Healers need to pay special attention to what the tanks are tanking, MT eating 2 WW is gonna need a lot more heals.

Chirada marks her target with a crosshair right before garuda and suprana does wicked wheel. Also i am pretty sure Ive been hit by ww when tanking chirada. Someone said she borrows skills if the adds are too close to each other.

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Originally Posted by Marveth

Chirada marks her target with a crosshair right before garuda and suprana does wicked wheel. Also i am pretty sure Ive been hit by ww when tanking chirada. Someone said she borrows skills if the adds are too close to each other.

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I don't know about the sharing skills, however, if they are too close they will gain a Damage Reduction buff that will make killing them pretty much impossible.. When pulled properly I have not seen Chirada do WW in a dozen+ attempts. It could very well happen, I just haven't seen it happen. It also seems like Suprana will not do WW once Chirada is dead. Just my observations both with War and Drg.

My main reason for posting is because most groups tell OT to pull Chirada, which causes the main tank to get with 2 wicked wheels - not optimal. I kinda feel sorry for monks and dragoons, but as long as you don't have 4 melee in your party I don't think it will hurt to have one sitting on the sideline instead of dead from a wicked wheel. Saves rez if nothing else. If a tank wipes it's pretty much a group wipe, which is why I think think the best strategy is for OT to pull Suprana instead of Chirada.

Some advice for dealing with it, especially since you are a scholar. As soon as the adds spawn use Eye for an Eye on the MT. Unless you're unlucky you'll end up with the E4E proc on one or both garuda/suparna by the time they decide to wicked wheel.

If your group is DPSing Chirada first, Garuda and Suparna should swap before Wicked Wheel. When they leap into the air adlo the tank and sacred soil the ground by him. When they come down toss Virus on either one and get back to healing the tank asap (preferably precasting embrace and physick and being prepared to lustrate)

If your group is DPSing Suparan first this won't happen. Instead I will Virus + Sacred Soil as soon as the tornados appear and it should last long enough to reduce the wicked wheel dmg (delay it a second after tornados if you're having no luck with this.)

Ideally your tank should use a cooldown too and be above 50% hp the whole time but if he doesn't, this is still enough to keep tanks alive(although just barely)