How is Summoner parsing?

Hey there. Sorry for my bad english ;)

I have just reactived my account. I just wonder if summoner is doing ok as PVE dps or if is better to lvl up anoter dps class.

I have been looking for this info in the forum but i haven´t found concrete information about this concern.

Thanks for the info and merry chrismas and happy new year.

SMNs are still fine. Most classes are actually fine at the moment with MNK, perhaps, pulling ahead in certain fights.

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Originally Posted by Hitome

SMNs are still fine. Most classes are actually fine at the moment with MNK, perhaps, pulling ahead in certain fights.

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By pulling ahead you mean to say 20-30% ahead on dps depending on the fight as they were overbuffed.

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Originally Posted by Darkstarz

By pulling ahead you mean to say 20-30% ahead on dps depending on the fight as they were overbuffed.

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If the fight allows for extended uptime on the boss, Monks do awesome ... Now throw that OP MNK into a fight that has you constantly move away and forcing you to start the whole rotation from scratch.
Or a fight that requires AoE (LOL)
Or a fight that requires heavy burst.

According to a friend parsing garuda extreme the other day I did the most damage overall combining mine and Garuda-egi's damage. But parsers still just guess and do weird stuff to figure what our damage might be

People cried foul when they nerfed smn by removing thunder,but ya sure dont hear them saying a peep about their ninja buff.Summons affected by spellspeed now.Summon your garuda and go in some dummies.Pets got a pretty decent dps increase.i got aroundish 500 ss with my smn so im enjoing this alot

SMN is still top. Especially on fight with multi target.

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Originally Posted by Darkshneider

People cried foul when they nerfed smn by removing thunder,but ya sure dont hear them saying a peep about their ninja buff.Summons affected by spellspeed now.Summon your garuda and go in some dummies.Pets got a pretty decent dps increase.i got aroundish 500 ss with my smn so im enjoing this alot

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Finally off my 2-week forum ban(thanks Kalandros), but I wanted to comment on this because it's been said a few times.

I don't know who started it, but this is false.

Spell Speed always worked with Garuda, it's just that pet tooltips were not set up in a way that allowed us to visually see that.

If its false i find it odd that the many summoners i spoken too and my tests show more pet dps since after 2.1.the attacks go faster

Summonors do so much damage it's crazy, at first looking at parses from bosses I thought they were mediocre then realized I wasn't even adding the pet! The only issues they might have is breaking people out of Gaols/killing adds/nails quickly, I am not sure what the go to for that situation is and seems to be their weak point.

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Originally Posted by Darkshneider

People cried foul when they nerfed smn by removing thunder,but ya sure dont hear them saying a peep about their ninja buff.Summons affected by spellspeed now.Summon your garuda and go in some dummies.Pets got a pretty decent dps increase.i got aroundish 500 ss with my smn so im enjoing this alot

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1. There was no buff
2. One extra wind blade per 25 casts isn't that big a deal. Spellspeed still sucks

@kevee I was wondering where you went.

@Neon saving 2 aether for bane/fester when you can is great for gaols

Oh Kevee, you too got banned ? Well... Panda was too ?

They're still parsing in the same way for my static group, it's just not as exaggerated as before. SMN is the lowest dps on his own by 3-5 dps, and then he becomes the best by 10-15 DPS once you add in the pet. Before the change, they would be top by 25-35 dps.

Did somebody fix the parser? Because I thought that "the forums" all decided ages ago that the parser was complete poo for sorting out SMN DPS because it would assign the Fester damage to the entire DoT (or some nonsense like that). Not sure myself as I've never used the parsers (just depended on you kind folk for your input).

Summoner dps is ridiculous. Trust yoshi when he says SMN's dps is still one of the best. Don't rely on parsers to measure SMN's dps. We were doing titan ex and one dps had to leave, we replaced him with a SMN and the difference was clearly noticeable. The heart was dying right after LS before the SMN was there. Once we had the SMN, the heart was dying b4 or while titan was placing the circular bombs.

If you experience issues with not killing all the nails in ifrit in the last phase, have a SMN dot all the nails possible and dps problem will be resolved. My FC tank told me he downed ifrit in a df party where two SMN's has all white accessories.

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Originally Posted by Darkshneider

People cried foul when they nerfed smn by removing thunder,but ya sure dont hear them saying a peep about their ninja buff.Summons affected by spellspeed now.Summon your garuda and go in some dummies.Pets got a pretty decent dps increase.i got aroundish 500 ss with my smn so im enjoing this alot

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The sad part is, a lot of Summoners don't even realize our egi's have been adjusted. I've had many posts before talking about it and they keep telling me, "How is it a buff when they did nothing to the egi" Anyone who says that does NOT know their own class and how it works. OR they use obey all the time so the egi higher damage doesn't show.

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Originally Posted by Panteleon

Did somebody fix the parser? Because I thought that "the forums" all decided ages ago that the parser was complete poo for sorting out SMN DPS because it would assign the Fester damage to the entire DoT (or some nonsense like that). Not sure myself as I've never used the parsers (just depended on you kind folk for your input).

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No parsers still don't record correctly (for all jobs) but people require them to make themselves feel better, so they keep reading them as 100% accurate when a lot of dot damage doesn't get recorded correctly, Shadow Flare doesn't register properly. Parsers are garbage still, but people need their epeen stroked.

Parsers are mostly fine. Results are the most erroneous on SMNs because they tend to not deal with Contagion or Shadow Flare. However, missing ~15% of a Summoner's DPS is easily accounted for. The SMN in your group parsing for 100 dps with a 55 dps pet is still sucking, no matter how much error you make-believe the parsers have.


Edit: For nails, Summoners should be tab-DoTing starting like 4 nails ahead or so. Only put 1 DoT on each, highest potency in the lowest duration. Set pet to nuke whatever the DPS train is on.

This. Parsers are fine. It might not parse SMN dps with 100 accuracy but still... you can see when X people suck or not. Just compare his dps to the other dps.... if he's really behind... there's a problem.

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Originally Posted by Hiroradius

The sad part is, a lot of Summoners don't even realize our egi's have been adjusted. I've had many posts before talking about it and they keep telling me, "How is it a buff when they did nothing to the egi" Anyone who says that does NOT know their own class and how it works. OR they use obey all the time so the egi higher damage doesn't show.

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To add some more clarity since you seem to have missed Kevee's post, tooltips were updated to show the affect of spell speed and having your pet on Obey (Garuda) is still higher dps than letting them use all their abilities with the default Sic AI. The default attack is their most potent ability still.

edit: Ifrit does more DPS on Sic since Crimson Cyclone functions as an oGCD skill unlike Garuda's skills. But it has Stun so it becomes an issue on certain fights.

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Originally Posted by Hiroradius

No parsers still don't record correctly (for all jobs) but people require them to make themselves feel better, so they keep reading them as 100% accurate when a lot of dot damage doesn't get recorded correctly, Shadow Flare doesn't register properly. Parsers are garbage still, but people need their epeen stroked.

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They did nothing to the egi.

SMN is still the top DPS if you know how to manage your dots and not overlap them (something most summoners really struggle with). Also you must micro manage your pet. Know when to cast contagion, know when to re-position him, know when to heal him. Between you and your pet you will top the charts. It is a team effort between the two of you. If you cannot manage both jobs at the same time you will fall far behind. A perfectly played summoner shines above any other class played to its perfection. This is also assuming you are not having to spend any time or MP on rezzing.

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Originally Posted by Kryzen

SMN is still the top DPS if you know how to manage your dots and not overlap them (something most summoners really struggle with). Also you must micro manage your pet. Know when to cast contagion, know when to re-position him, know when to heal him. Between you and your pet you will top the charts. It is a team effort between the two of you. If you cannot manage both jobs at the same time you will fall far behind. A perfectly played summoner shines above any other class played to its perfection. This is also assuming you are not having to spend any time or MP on rezzing.

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Until a perfect master lord MNK shows up. This is not a troll, but in all honesty a MNK played to it perfection, can't be touched.